Precisely , but we are going to have to overpay as always. More money gives more leverage and ammo. And if we had dumped Gay we could go improve (IMO ) with a guy like Barnes and nab a SG like Beale (more expensive ) Affalo (cheaper) etc then have the luxury of signing back Rondo, or like you said sign someone like Conley. Personally I'd rather have Conley.
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I'm getting to the point of wondering why the team should resign Rondo.
If a team built around Rondo/Gay/Cousins can't get out of the lottery then where is the sense of making a major commitment to that core?
If this team flounders through the rest of the season then I think a bigger shakeup than changing coaches (yet again) is called for.
If the team plays some inspired basketball the rest of the way (even if they just fall short of the playoffs) then at least there's some hope for next season and then they should look at retooling instead of rebuilding.
If a team built around Rondo/Gay/Cousins can't get out of the lottery then where is the sense of making a major commitment to that core?
If this team flounders through the rest of the season then I think a bigger shakeup than changing coaches (yet again) is called for.
If the team plays some inspired basketball the rest of the way (even if they just fall short of the playoffs) then at least there's some hope for next season and then they should look at retooling instead of rebuilding.
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Just get the best coach available who wants to stress defense. If it is Thibs....great, Jeff Van Gundy....also great. Heck Mike Malone might be available! Then sign/draft/trade for as many strong defensive players to build around Cousins and Gay as is possible. Actually I like the team as constructed with a different SG and a Defensive specialist wing.
See, this is a deal that actually makes sense, if we believed in Pau as a long-term (meaning 2-3 years) solution here. Gets rid of one of our high USG guys and runs the offense through Rondo-Pau-Cuz. Also gets Casspi into the starting 5 as our floor spacer.
Still don't like Pau for this team, but I would have been fine with a straight Rudy for Pau swap. Would have at least had a chance of working out ok.
Still don't like Pau for this team, but I would have been fine with a straight Rudy for Pau swap. Would have at least had a chance of working out ok.
The saddest part is that the core players completely tanked the last 10 games(basically after Charlotte loss) in order to get Karl fired. If we had even been .500 over that stretch, we are right there with Utah, Por, Houston fighting for the last spot. Willie's quote from today all but confirms thats what happend. I don't like players who are quitters.
No I am not implying that.
I am saying he boxed himself in with the swap rights and didn't have the flexibility to make the deal work. He was unable to get the deal done because it required permission from a third party. This and possibly he did not play hardball with the Bulls with "take-it-or-leave-it" proposal.
"Look...we are the team trading a young big on a value deal and a young lottery pick for a 35 year old free agent.... there's NO room for further concessions in a deal like this ... I don't care if he made an all-star team!!! He was a rental unless we could have persuaded him in limited amount of time and the lack of other teams bidding for his services reflected this reality.
This is what Vlade needed to say....LIKE A BOSS!!!
And if this was said then we would not have dragged on this on-off deal. It would have happened or the Kings would have walked away. Instead it was up-in-the-air all the way to the deadline.
Now if you want to give him credit for not coughing up the farm and more future assets I guess you can but this is speculative to me. I am not giving credit to him for a non-trade.
I agree with you Vlade should have been more tight-lipped the day prior instead of acting as if trade was pending. Holding cards close to your vest is how to win high stakes poker not revealing pair of 2s.
I am saying he boxed himself in with the swap rights and didn't have the flexibility to make the deal work. He was unable to get the deal done because it required permission from a third party. This and possibly he did not play hardball with the Bulls with "take-it-or-leave-it" proposal.
"Look...we are the team trading a young big on a value deal and a young lottery pick for a 35 year old free agent.... there's NO room for further concessions in a deal like this ... I don't care if he made an all-star team!!! He was a rental unless we could have persuaded him in limited amount of time and the lack of other teams bidding for his services reflected this reality.
This is what Vlade needed to say....LIKE A BOSS!!!
And if this was said then we would not have dragged on this on-off deal. It would have happened or the Kings would have walked away. Instead it was up-in-the-air all the way to the deadline.
Now if you want to give him credit for not coughing up the farm and more future assets I guess you can but this is speculative to me. I am not giving credit to him for a non-trade.
I agree with you Vlade should have been more tight-lipped the day prior instead of acting as if trade was pending. Holding cards close to your vest is how to win high stakes poker not revealing pair of 2s.
Let me give you an hypothetical. It was reported Philly wanted sweeteners in order for the Kings to lower the protections. I could be wrong, (cause it really might not be allowed) but I call bull-bleep. Even if the Kings were to have removed ALL the protections from the pick BUT still included Philly's right to swap picks 1-9, why would Philly's permission be needed? They would still be getting what they bargained for AND moved their pick owed time table up by a year.
Bottom line is, no deal is better than a bad deal.
Hell no. Hell no. Hell no. He did not get the most out of that Pelicans squad. Tyreke Evans and Anthony Davis did. You think Karl's bad wait till you have Monty Williams coaching this team. Well on the plus side you'll get Cousins the ball in 1 on 1 situations a billion times a game which is what you all want and have Cousins going 20-60 or something. Defense will still be terrible don't worry. Monty Williams was a terrible coach and was not foolishly fired. Alvin Gentry was foolishly hired, but firing Monty Williams was not a bad decision.