What should Vlade do at Trade Deadline???
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Funny how much we've talked about wanting Tony Snell on this board...
Read the comments. lol
http://hoopshabit.com/2015/12/30/chicago-bulls-will-real-tony-snell-please-stand/
Their situation sounds exactly like ours with Ben. It's uncanny.
Read the comments. lol
http://hoopshabit.com/2015/12/30/chicago-bulls-will-real-tony-snell-please-stand/
Their situation sounds exactly like ours with Ben. It's uncanny.
I have said before that I wouldn't want to trade Gay unless I am getting a genuine #2 scorer back that can create his own shot. The only way I could see us doing it is if Chicago trades back the rights to our #1 pick that is still hanging around from the Casspi-Hickson trade.
I still doubt we would trade Rudy for "flexible" pieces. I wouldn't be surprised if Divac likes Mirotic a lot but I doubt it's at the expense of Rudy.
I still doubt we would trade Rudy for "flexible" pieces. I wouldn't be surprised if Divac likes Mirotic a lot but I doubt it's at the expense of Rudy.
All I want to say is, I hope the King wait until the off season to make trades. Because:
1. Let the new GM and coach decide how they want to shape this team.
2. I think there are better deals to have in the summer.
The last thing I want is for Vlade ot trade for Player X, and a few months later, the new coach say, "I don't want Player X!"
But patience is not something this FO values highly.
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1. Let the new GM and coach decide how they want to shape this team.
2. I think there are better deals to have in the summer.
The last thing I want is for Vlade ot trade for Player X, and a few months later, the new coach say, "I don't want Player X!"
But patience is not something this FO values highly.
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It wasn't directed at you but everyone wanting to dump Koufos like a hot potato.
Stretch 4s, while nice are overrated in the small ball era simply because there is not enough of great size to go around. Cousins and WCS for any coach with any adaptability and defensive backbone would make the twin towers that would give fits to other teams. Memphis seems to do a pretty good job without much of a stretch 4.
There are not many stretch 4s out there that I would be willing to burn Koufos for. Forget the woosy system that we are running now. That is not what we will be implementing next season and this coach will not be our coach next season. Koufos is on an incredibly good deal for a genuine big who could be a starter on many teams especially if considering the rise in salary cap going forward. If you want your stretch 4, you can get a decent one for MLE type money. There are a number of solid stretch 4s out there that can give you 15-20 minutes a game if you needs them.
I prefer to lock down the middle and block the paint for 48 minutes and the trio that we have, in the right system and with the non-senile coach can absolutely do that for us. WCS is not strong enough to bang with the big Cs in the league just yet and will need 2 good years get some genuine mass and strength into that wiry frame.
Stretch 4s, while nice are overrated in the small ball era simply because there is not enough of great size to go around. Cousins and WCS for any coach with any adaptability and defensive backbone would make the twin towers that would give fits to other teams. Memphis seems to do a pretty good job without much of a stretch 4.
There are not many stretch 4s out there that I would be willing to burn Koufos for. Forget the woosy system that we are running now. That is not what we will be implementing next season and this coach will not be our coach next season. Koufos is on an incredibly good deal for a genuine big who could be a starter on many teams especially if considering the rise in salary cap going forward. If you want your stretch 4, you can get a decent one for MLE type money. There are a number of solid stretch 4s out there that can give you 15-20 minutes a game if you needs them.
I prefer to lock down the middle and block the paint for 48 minutes and the trio that we have, in the right system and with the non-senile coach can absolutely do that for us. WCS is not strong enough to bang with the big Cs in the league just yet and will need 2 good years get some genuine mass and strength into that wiry frame.
I know both Orlando and the Clippers have been open to dealing. After what the Clippers offered the Nuggets and Orlando got for Harris lets see if we can ring the door bell and get a handful of candy.
Kings in - Blake Griffin, Lance Stephenson, Cole Aldrich, Victor Oladipo, and Mario Hezonja.
Kings out - Rudy Gay, Marco Belinelli, Darren Collison, Kosta Koufos, Ben Mclemore and Eric Moreland.
Clippers in - Rudy Gay, Marco Belinelli, Darren Collison, Aaron Gordon, Andrew Nicholson.
Clippers out - Blake Griffin, Lance Stephenson, Cole Aldrich, J.J Redick, and Wesley Johnson.
Orlando in - Kosta Koufos, J.J. Redick, Ben Mclemore, Wesley Johnson, Eric Moreland, and Clip 2016 1st
Orlando out - Victor Oladipo, Mario Hezonja, Aaron Gordon, Andrew Nicholson
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j2cxtda
Kings in - Blake Griffin, Lance Stephenson, Cole Aldrich, Victor Oladipo, and Mario Hezonja.
Kings out - Rudy Gay, Marco Belinelli, Darren Collison, Kosta Koufos, Ben Mclemore and Eric Moreland.
Clippers in - Rudy Gay, Marco Belinelli, Darren Collison, Aaron Gordon, Andrew Nicholson.
Clippers out - Blake Griffin, Lance Stephenson, Cole Aldrich, J.J Redick, and Wesley Johnson.
Orlando in - Kosta Koufos, J.J. Redick, Ben Mclemore, Wesley Johnson, Eric Moreland, and Clip 2016 1st
Orlando out - Victor Oladipo, Mario Hezonja, Aaron Gordon, Andrew Nicholson
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j2cxtda
Let me stop you right here.
Orlando has already said that they will not be trading away any of their "core pieces" - included among these are Oladipo, Hezonja, and Gordon - for anything other than an unexpected offer that blows them away. I feel very confident in saying that Koufos, Redick, McLemore, various detritus, and a mid-20s pick is NOT going to blow them away enough to trade ONE of their core pieces, much less THREE.
Orlando has already said that they will not be trading away any of their "core pieces" - included among these are Oladipo, Hezonja, and Gordon - for anything other than an unexpected offer that blows them away. I feel very confident in saying that Koufos, Redick, McLemore, various detritus, and a mid-20s pick is NOT going to blow them away enough to trade ONE of their core pieces, much less THREE.
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Rumours are the Pacers were trying to move George Hill and the Pistons want a back up Pg
So
Kings get: Marcus Morris (expandable with Stanley Johnson and Harris there), George Hill, Monta
Pistons get: DC and Solomon Hill
Pacers get: Rudy/ Rondo
(If Detroit wants Ben they can have him if they don't want to do the current deal)
Kings
Cousins
WCS
Morris
Monta (leading Pacers in assists he's changed his game a lot)
Hill
The worst defender there is Ellis and he's probably better than anyone in our current starting line up not named WCS/cuz
So
Kings get: Marcus Morris (expandable with Stanley Johnson and Harris there), George Hill, Monta
Pistons get: DC and Solomon Hill
Pacers get: Rudy/ Rondo
(If Detroit wants Ben they can have him if they don't want to do the current deal)
Kings
Cousins
WCS
Morris
Monta (leading Pacers in assists he's changed his game a lot)
Hill
The worst defender there is Ellis and he's probably better than anyone in our current starting line up not named WCS/cuz
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Based on reports there are 3 teams that I can see us doing deadline deals with: Bulls (Noah, Snell, Mirotic, McDermott), Pelicans (Anderson, Gee), Cavs (Shumpert, Mozgov). The common denominator seems to be a stretch 4 and a perimeter defender.
If Vlade is indeed trying to make it work with Karl doing this would make sense:
1) Offer Gay for R. Anderson and Gee to the Pelicans again. Reportedly the Pelicans refused to this trade earlier in the season, but when they realisize they won't get what they hoped for in talks with other teams for Anderson they may change their opinion
2) Trade Koufos and/ or Mclemore for Shumpert.
This gives us a potential starting line up of:
Rondo
Shumpert
Gee
Anderson
Cousins
with Willy, Casspi and Collison getting 20-25 min of the bench to give Karl more flexibility. Perimeter defense should be much improved and it makes it easier for Karl to play Boogie in the post.
Not sure if I want to do that though.
If Vlade is indeed trying to make it work with Karl doing this would make sense:
1) Offer Gay for R. Anderson and Gee to the Pelicans again. Reportedly the Pelicans refused to this trade earlier in the season, but when they realisize they won't get what they hoped for in talks with other teams for Anderson they may change their opinion
2) Trade Koufos and/ or Mclemore for Shumpert.
This gives us a potential starting line up of:
Rondo
Shumpert
Gee
Anderson
Cousins
with Willy, Casspi and Collison getting 20-25 min of the bench to give Karl more flexibility. Perimeter defense should be much improved and it makes it easier for Karl to play Boogie in the post.
Not sure if I want to do that though.
