Kings trade JT, Nik and Landry to Sixers (renamed)
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OK so far, "Flexible $" (capspace) is kicking the crap out of "Flexible parts" (Thomas, Skinner, Corliss). If you're gonna get something to deal with - cap space is better than mediocre vets by a mile.
And it is not even close.
I don't get people who hate the Sixers trade. It has already worked out - still room for one more signing - no dead wood on the team.
Bravo Vlade
And it is not even close.
I don't get people who hate the Sixers trade. It has already worked out - still room for one more signing - no dead wood on the team.
Bravo Vlade
The national narrative on this won't change -- we're still a punching bag. They'll say Rondo is living out of a suitcase until he can escape "basketball purgatory" and move to a real team. We've quietly put together a respectable roster though. Respect is earned on the court. I can see this team surprising a lot of people next year.
I hated it yesterday but said I'd re-evaluate based on signings. I love it today.
Let's be real- this is already the best, or at least 2nd best, FA crop in Sacramento history. We're getting desireable FA's, as did Milwaukee, while the two LA teams are striking out and losing players.
I think the skepticism yesterday was well warranted, and I am very happy as a fan of the Sacramento Kings to be able to say today that I was wrong. Vlade is proving himself in very short order.
Let's be real- this is already the best, or at least 2nd best, FA crop in Sacramento history. We're getting desireable FA's, as did Milwaukee, while the two LA teams are striking out and losing players.
I think the skepticism yesterday was well warranted, and I am very happy as a fan of the Sacramento Kings to be able to say today that I was wrong. Vlade is proving himself in very short order.
Let's see if we can make the narrative get worse. No, seriously. What I mean by this is - let's go all the way and sign Josh Smith. Sure, we'd be Psych Ward West™, but there would be a lot of talent on that team.
I think the crazy dream based on current rumor/speculation/available FAs would be to convince Josh Smith to come on the cheap (say $3-4M, and since he's still getting his Detroit dollars that's not unthinkable), spend the rest of the cap on Koufos, sign Omri to the Room MLE, and then grab up Raduljica on a min contract. Barring any other tweaks, that would be
Rondo/Collison/McCallum/(Stockton)
McLemore/Belinelli/Anderson
Gay/Casspi
Smith/WCS/Moreland
Cousins/Koufos/Raduljica
My heart says that's a playoff team, but my head does too.
I think the crazy dream based on current rumor/speculation/available FAs would be to convince Josh Smith to come on the cheap (say $3-4M, and since he's still getting his Detroit dollars that's not unthinkable), spend the rest of the cap on Koufos, sign Omri to the Room MLE, and then grab up Raduljica on a min contract. Barring any other tweaks, that would be
Rondo/Collison/McCallum/(Stockton)
McLemore/Belinelli/Anderson
Gay/Casspi
Smith/WCS/Moreland
Cousins/Koufos/Raduljica
My heart says that's a playoff team, but my head does too.
I'd still want a wing defender on the bench, but I like that plan. Smith at PF with his two buddies alongside him could be a very good thing. He's still a solid player when he curtails his worst jumpshooting tendencies. I would hope that DeMarcus, Rudy, and Rajon can get in his ear about his shot selection.
The trade looks official now:
http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/150710-kings-trade-story
http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball...lly-announce-trade-kings?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Not to be nit-picky, but I thought we also got a future 2nd round pick out of the trade???
Also, since the Kings have not officially signed their free agents, does that mean we do not get the $16 mil TPE???
http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/150710-kings-trade-story
http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball...lly-announce-trade-kings?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Not to be nit-picky, but I thought we also got a future 2nd round pick out of the trade???
Also, since the Kings have not officially signed their free agents, does that mean we do not get the $16 mil TPE???
I've seen some different versions of the pick and draft swaps that Philly is getting. Has anyone summed it up authoritatively and if so could someone paste it here.
I've read that Philly gets TWO swaps, and I've also read that Philly gets ONE swap in EITHER of two years. Which is it and are there any protections on the swaps? And if the pick is top 10 protected, what happens the year after that.. does it become unprotected, does it become a second, or does the protection change each year like the Chicago pick?
All in one easy to comprehend post - can someone do it? With authority - not guessing.
I've read that Philly gets TWO swaps, and I've also read that Philly gets ONE swap in EITHER of two years. Which is it and are there any protections on the swaps? And if the pick is top 10 protected, what happens the year after that.. does it become unprotected, does it become a second, or does the protection change each year like the Chicago pick?
All in one easy to comprehend post - can someone do it? With authority - not guessing.
The first rounder:
We owe our 2016 first-rounder to the Chicago Bulls. That pick is top-10 protected next year, and if it doesn’t convey then it will be top-10 protected in 2017 as well. Should the pick still not convey by then, it will become a second-round pick.
The Sixers will receive Sacramento’s first-round pick either two years after the Kings’ first-round debt to the Bulls is paid or in 2018 if the pick owed to Chicago becomes two seconds (in case we keep our pick next year. and lose it in 2017 we will give the sixers the 2019 first rounder top 10 protected or 2020 unprotected because of the Stepien rule).
The pick owed to Philadelphia is protected for picks 1-10 for one year before becoming unprotected.
The pick swaps:
The picks swaps depend partially upon the Kings’ debt to Chicago. The Sixers have the right to swap first-rounders with Sacramento in both 2016 and 2017, but their ability to do so may go away in one of those seasons if the Kings select outside the top-10 and thus convey their pick to the Bulls. It should be noted that the right to swap comes after the Draft Lottery is conducted, meaning that if the Kings were to finish with a better record (and therefore a less favorable pick) than the Sixers, they could still jump ahead of Philadelphia via the lottery. In that case, Philadelphia would choose to swap picks with Sacramento.
What this means is that if the Kings miss the playoffs in either of the next two seasons, Philadelphia will essentially receive Sacramento’s ping pong balls going into the lottery. There is no protection on the swap.
We owe our 2016 first-rounder to the Chicago Bulls. That pick is top-10 protected next year, and if it doesn’t convey then it will be top-10 protected in 2017 as well. Should the pick still not convey by then, it will become a second-round pick.
The Sixers will receive Sacramento’s first-round pick either two years after the Kings’ first-round debt to the Bulls is paid or in 2018 if the pick owed to Chicago becomes two seconds (in case we keep our pick next year. and lose it in 2017 we will give the sixers the 2019 first rounder top 10 protected or 2020 unprotected because of the Stepien rule).
The pick owed to Philadelphia is protected for picks 1-10 for one year before becoming unprotected.
The pick swaps:
The picks swaps depend partially upon the Kings’ debt to Chicago. The Sixers have the right to swap first-rounders with Sacramento in both 2016 and 2017, but their ability to do so may go away in one of those seasons if the Kings select outside the top-10 and thus convey their pick to the Bulls. It should be noted that the right to swap comes after the Draft Lottery is conducted, meaning that if the Kings were to finish with a better record (and therefore a less favorable pick) than the Sixers, they could still jump ahead of Philadelphia via the lottery. In that case, Philadelphia would choose to swap picks with Sacramento.
What this means is that if the Kings miss the playoffs in either of the next two seasons, Philadelphia will essentially receive Sacramento’s ping pong balls going into the lottery. There is no protection on the swap.
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"The NBA prohibits teams from trading first-round draft picks in successive seasons. The rule was put in place in response to Ted Stepien's disastrous run as owner and de facto general manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers.
During Stepien's reign, the Cavaliers made a practice of trading future draft picks for marginal veteran players. His most notable deal sent a 1982 first-round pick to the Los Angeles Lakers in exchange for Dan Ford and the 22nd overall pick in 1980.
That 1982 pick wound up being the first overall selection, which the Lakers used to select future hall-of-famer James Worthy."
So basically you can't trade consecutive first rounders because this guy was that bad as a GM...
During Stepien's reign, the Cavaliers made a practice of trading future draft picks for marginal veteran players. His most notable deal sent a 1982 first-round pick to the Los Angeles Lakers in exchange for Dan Ford and the 22nd overall pick in 1980.
That 1982 pick wound up being the first overall selection, which the Lakers used to select future hall-of-famer James Worthy."
So basically you can't trade consecutive first rounders because this guy was that bad as a GM...
speaking of qualifications to be a GM - Bricklayer has often said "I could be a GM" and I honestly believe him - the basic premise that being a good GM doesn't require a long deep NBA resume or a specific education.
Brings me to my point. Vlade Divac has really snuck up on all of us. Pete D'Alessandro probably wasn't the only one who figured it was a ceremonial role at first - I think we all believed that (I sure did). But, now that it appears that Vlade is really and truly calling the shots - well, he has done a pretty damn good job of it. So.. why SHOULD he worry about hiring a GM. How about if he just keeps being the head of basketball operations - calling the personnel shots with a little help from his friends? Let him hire a consigliere like Jerry West's kid or some third stringer from San Antonio or something like that - maybe a cap guru to replace Pete... but let Vlade be the next iteration of Geoff Petrie until he absolutely proves he can't.
Yeah yeah the national press is making fun - and Vlade has not been in the NBA for 10 years. People thought it preposterous at first that Vlade was put in charge. so what - I give very few effs about that and I think we could do a lot worse. I think it is Vivek's stroke of genius and he ought to run with this winner.
Bottom line I do not think Vlade needs to hire a GM. He is the GM. Seems to have been Vivek's plan from the time he hired Vlade. Lets have him stand in Geoff's old spot in the tunnel and I think we'll be ok. And I think that is true even if he ends up having to fire Karl.
Brings me to my point. Vlade Divac has really snuck up on all of us. Pete D'Alessandro probably wasn't the only one who figured it was a ceremonial role at first - I think we all believed that (I sure did). But, now that it appears that Vlade is really and truly calling the shots - well, he has done a pretty damn good job of it. So.. why SHOULD he worry about hiring a GM. How about if he just keeps being the head of basketball operations - calling the personnel shots with a little help from his friends? Let him hire a consigliere like Jerry West's kid or some third stringer from San Antonio or something like that - maybe a cap guru to replace Pete... but let Vlade be the next iteration of Geoff Petrie until he absolutely proves he can't.
Yeah yeah the national press is making fun - and Vlade has not been in the NBA for 10 years. People thought it preposterous at first that Vlade was put in charge. so what - I give very few effs about that and I think we could do a lot worse. I think it is Vivek's stroke of genius and he ought to run with this winner.
Bottom line I do not think Vlade needs to hire a GM. He is the GM. Seems to have been Vivek's plan from the time he hired Vlade. Lets have him stand in Geoff's old spot in the tunnel and I think we'll be ok. And I think that is true even if he ends up having to fire Karl.
