Kings free agency, part 3

Mass

Mass

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#781
#781
I would pass on Bargnani. The problem here is that he doesn't really like the game. He won't play through pain, he won't put any attributes on the court. He's soft, and I don't think he would get along with the rest of the team, even if Marco is here.
Belinelli is a completely different player, he has a competitive personality and will give you everything he's got. Bargnani will not. He's not the kind of player I would want here.

I'm ok with Smith, and also with Amare. I don't really like Arthur, but if we can't get anyone better I would take him instead of Bargnani.
 
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KingMilz

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Bricklayer said:
I hope you aren't accusing Elden Campbell there of being a high IQ player, because the book on him was kind of the opposite.

But regardless, Amare has been solid since the injuries. Came off the bench most of the time, has averaged 24, 23 and 22min the last 3 seasons, but still really knows how to score, and has shot .577, .557 and .557 the last 3 seasons. He never played defense so that has not changed, but he's kind of the opposite of low IQ on offense. Even in the face of declining athleticism he still just has that knack. In a sea of imperfect choices he would offer experience and a legit big man scorer when Cuz is out. Be a bad starting pairing, but I'm not sure why people are so scared of WCS, who is basically just going to be asked to hustle and stop people.

When your options are Bargs, Smith, Arthur, Mbah a Moute etc. every single one of them has limitations. We just have to choose which ones we can live with.
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No I''m not but compared to Amare on the defensive end he was a mastermind, on offense while Amare puts up nice FG% he kills the offense and commit turnovers/stupid offensive fouls all the time. I quiet like the Arthur option as the 4th big man dude plays hard both ends and knows his role and won't impede the team much at all if any.
 
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KingMilz

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#784
Lets say the Suns want Josh Smith (says on the net Suns are at there cap currently).....could we somehow do a sign and trade where we get Markieff Morris (8million salary) for Josh Smith (roughly 5 miliion)/something minor is there some rule or something where we could/couldn't do that
 
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Hadlowe

Hadlowe

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KingMilz said:
Lets say the Suns want Josh Smith (says on the net Suns are at there cap currently).....could we somehow do a sign and trade where we get Markieff Morris (8million salary) for Josh Smith (roughly 5 miliion)/something minor is there some rule or something where we could/couldn't do that
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I'm sure Capt. Factorial will correct me if I'm wrong, but I am fairly certain that sign-and-trade can only be used with players who played for the team the season prior. Rockets would be the only team that could use sign-and-trade with Josh Smith in the way you are suggesting.

We could do it with any of the currently unsigned Kings from last year, like Evans or Hollins, but I don't think you could get the salaries to where they would need to be to match Morris' 8 million.
 
One and Done

One and Done

Bench
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#787
I'd love it if we got McDaniels on a cheap deal. Great athlete/hustle player with a defensive mindset and nice physical attributes = still some untapped potential, awesome at chase-down perimeter blocks, poor shooter but not a non-shooter (can make a 3P shot when left wide open unlike Mbah a Moute), all around good guy from most reports. Would be a nice utility player to have off the bench aka our scrappy perimeter defender who won't totally kill us on offense. Worth a cheap contract (ie $4m over 2 years with a second year team option).

Looking at the rest of the crop, I wonder if Vlade's team can find some prospects in Europe. We could really use another above average 3P shooter (Rudy, Omri aren't great lockdown shooters, Ben is a big "if", can't rely on all of our 3P shooting on Bellinelli).

We also need a real PF who can space the floor a bit and not get outmuscled by other true PF's...Josh Smith really declined over the last couple of years and may not be the best personality, but he's looking like the best available. But I wonder what there is overseas?
 
Hadlowe

Hadlowe

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#788
One and Done said:
I'd love it if we got McDaniels on a cheap deal. Great athlete/hustle player with a defensive mindset and nice physical attributes = still some untapped potential, awesome at chase-down perimeter blocks, poor shooter but not a non-shooter (can make a 3P shot when left wide open unlike Mbah a Moute), all around good guy from most reports. Would be a nice utility player to have off the bench aka our scrappy perimeter defender who won't totally kill us on offense. Worth a cheap contract (ie $4m over 2 years with a second year team option).

Looking at the rest of the crop, I wonder if Vlade's team can find some prospects in Europe. We could really use another above average 3P shooter (Rudy, Omri aren't great lockdown shooters, Ben is a big "if", can't rely on all of our 3P shooting on Bellinelli).

We also need a real PF who can space the floor a bit and not get outmuscled by other true PF's...Josh Smith really declined over the last couple of years and may not be the best personality, but he's looking like the best available. But I wonder what there is overseas?
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Gay and Casspi were both excellent 3 point shooters under Karl, coming in above the 40% mark. Gay was shooting 50% on catch and shoot threes. If those are your starting 3 and 4 with Ben or Bellinelli at the 2, you have plenty of shooting around Rondo and Cousins.

Remember, Boston was a championship contender with Rondo for 5 years with only Pierce and Allen as shooting threats because Garnett had a midrange game only slightly better than Cousins. And that was with the offensive pylon known as Kendrick Perkins.
 
funkykingston

funkykingston

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#789
Nothing we hadn't already guessed but via Twitter Jason Jones is reporting that Vlade says a 3/4 and a big are possible additions to the roster and that they've spoken to Andre Miller but that there are other options at PG as well.

Also, the Kings FA signees will be in town on Sunday for physicals and the deals are likely to be officially announced on Monday.
 
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ESP47

All-Star
#790
#790
Our 3 point shooting is actually pretty solid.

Casspi 40%
Collison 37%
Belinelli 37%
Gay 36%
McLemore 36%

Josh Smith is looking like the best bet of whats available. We need guys who can do more than just one or two things. Our team has been constructed mainly of one trick ponies the last few years and we've seen where that's gotten us. What Smith gives away in some bad shots, he gives you in solid defense, shot blocking and play making abilities. He may go 1-4 from 3 but if he gets you a couple blocks and 3 or 4 assists, he's already done better than what some one trick pony did who shot 2-4 from 3. Yeah that 50% looks good but that's not the only thing that wins games.
 
rosa u podne

rosa u podne

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One and Done said:
Looking at the rest of the crop, I wonder if Vlade's team can find some prospects in Europe. We could really use another above average 3P shooter (Rudy, Omri aren't great lockdown shooters, Ben is a big "if", can't rely on all of our 3P shooting on Bellinelli).

We also need a real PF who can space the floor a bit and not get outmuscled by other true PF's...Josh Smith really declined over the last couple of years and may not be the best personality, but he's looking like the best available. But I wonder what there is overseas?
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Vlade maybe found one and acquired his rights as a second round pick form Philly trade. Don't know about his defense, though. His name is Luka Mitrovic. While his contract would be inexpensive, Kings would probably need to buy out his contract from Red Star Belgrade.
 
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sdballer

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#792
ESP47 said:
Our 3 point shooting is actually pretty solid.

Casspi 40%
Collison 37%
Belinelli 37%
Gay 36%
McLemore 36%

Josh Smith is looking like the best bet of whats available. We need guys who can do more than just one or two things. Our team has been constructed mainly of one trick ponies the last few years and we've seen where that's gotten us. What Smith gives away in some bad shots, he gives you in solid defense, shot blocking and play making abilities. He may go 1-4 from 3 but if he gets you a couple blocks and 3 or 4 assists, he's already done better than what some one trick pony did who shot 2-4 from 3. Yeah that 50% looks good but that's not the only thing that wins games.
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Rondo also shot 35% from 3 in Dallas, albeit on low attempts.
 
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sdballer

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#793
Details on kings/philly trade:

'16 Sac pick -- Philly can swap if its 1-10.
'17 Sac pick -- Philly can swap 1-10 and 11-30 if Sac keeps it (which means Chi got the '16 pick)
'18 Sac pick -- Philly gets if Sac pick in '16 is 11-30 and Sac pick in '18 is 11-30
'19 Sac pick -- Philly gets it unprotected if Philly doesn't get '18 1st.

A bit worse than expected. We better improve quickly and sustain it.
 
LPKingsFan

LPKingsFan

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#794
#794
sdballer said:
Details on kings/philly trade:

'16 Sac pick -- Philly can swap if its 1-10.
'17 Sac pick -- Philly can swap 1-10 and 11-30 if Sac keeps it (which means Chi got the '16 pick)
'18 Sac pick -- Philly gets if Sac pick in '16 is 11-30 and Sac pick in '18 is 11-30
'19 Sac pick -- Philly gets it unprotected if Philly doesn't get '18 1st.

A bit worse than expected. We better improve quickly and sustain it.
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Demarcus can leave after 17-18, right? That could be ugly with no protection in 2019.

Vlade really went "all in" with this. I can't blame him really. He likely needed to in order to appease DMC. And he likely has a mandate from ownership to win now at all costs in order to fill seats in the (increasingly expensive for the Kings) new ESC.
 
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sdballer

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LPKingsFan said:
Demarcus can leave after 17-18, right? That could be ugly with no protection in 2019.

Vlade really went "all in" with this. I can't blame him really. He likely needed to in order to appease DMC. And he likely has a mandate from ownership to win now at all costs in order to fill seats in the (increasingly expensive for the Kings) new ESC.
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Yeah it really comes down to if we improve enough. If we do it will boil down to one pick in the teens in 2018.

If we don't, we could be giving up valuable picks the next couple years.
 
Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

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#796
sdballer said:
Details on kings/philly trade:

'16 Sac pick -- Philly can swap if its 1-10.
'17 Sac pick -- Philly can swap 1-10 and 11-30 if Sac keeps it (which means Chi got the '16 pick)
'18 Sac pick -- Philly gets if Sac pick in '16 is 11-30 and Sac pick in '18 is 11-30
'19 Sac pick -- Philly gets it unprotected if Philly doesn't get '18 1st.

A bit worse than expected. We better improve quickly and sustain it.
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it'll suck balls if we lose demarcus and somehow miraculously win the lotto and it goes to philly. epic
 
Dime Dropper

Dime Dropper

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#803
#803
Well if you're looking for a solid vet who can hit the long ball, you could do a lot worse. Hope we didn't use all our remaining cap space on him though.

I do like that we're getting a lot of experienced professionals who have been through the ringer. My confidence in Vlade is really high. He understands what this organisation needs.
 
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swisshh

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#808
#808
sdballer said:
Details on kings/philly trade:

'16 Sac pick -- Philly can swap if its 1-10.
'17 Sac pick -- Philly can swap 1-10 and 11-30 if Sac keeps it (which means Chi got the '16 pick)
'18 Sac pick -- Philly gets if Sac pick in '16 is 11-30 and Sac pick in '18 is 11-30
'19 Sac pick -- Philly gets it unprotected if Philly doesn't get '18 1st.

A bit worse than expected. We better improve quickly and sustain it.
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Why would you ever go unprotected on a pick? It's one thing to go big. That's just stupid for no reason.
 
jcwkings

jcwkings

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#809
#809
Good pro vet that can knock down the 3 and has been through battles, still a solid defender as well with high IQ(seems to be theme of the offseason). Easily fits as a 10th guy that gets a run here and there and can step in if others are sitting out. I love that Vlade is filling the roster with pros, this one past his prime but as a deep bench guy that is fine. Apparently a great locker room guy as well.
 
HndsmCelt

HndsmCelt

Hall of Famer
#810
#810
Sac.Kings said:
Off the bench:
Butler, Marco, Collison, Casspi, WCS, Moreland.

We need another big man and that's it. We are good to go after.
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Conventional wisdom wold think so unless the stories of Rudy playing more at the 4 are solid, then our depth at the 4 already has one more boddy and we can call 3 centers including DMC.
 
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