Kings free agency, part 3

[The_Jamal]

Time to update my list

Available Bigs

1. Josh Smith - I'm not sure he fits, but then I'm not sure Rondo fits. The most talent of anyone left on the market though
2. Darrell Arthur - Athletic but inconsistent. Offense consists primarily of long 2's that he hits at an only decent clip something that may not fly with George Karl.
3. Reggie Evans - Terrible offensive player and poor defender but a great rebounder who Boogie likes. Could do worse for the minimum
4. Cole Aldrich - A guy I'd really like as a minimum contract third C

Available Wings

1. Dorell Wright - A guy I've wanted for a while. Really solid shooter that got lost in Portland
2. K.J. McDaniels - Really like him as a bench defender but Rockets say they'll match all offers
3. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute - James Ham put him on blast as not wanting to play but he looked good in a Kings uni to me. I think we need a wing defender
4. James Jones - For the minimum I think he'd be a great signing. Career 40% 3Pt shooter. Championship experience.

Guys on our Summer League Team


Josh Smith is the only really splashy option left.

I like Smith, but stealing Arthur would be fantastic. I like him as a guy we can start while WCS develops and if we didn't want to start Koufos. He's not an offensive threat at all, but he's developed into a defensive stud the last couple years. DRPM loves him (#3 ranked PF in the NBA) and the Nuggets were 9.2 points better defensively when he was on the court with an on/off of 103.1/112.3.

I very much like the idea of having a defensive juggernaut of a front-line. Cousins, Koufos, Arthur, WCS would shut the paint down and there's no weakness in what it could defend against. It's not even funny how big of an improvement defensively that Koufos, Arthur and WCS would be over JT, Dwill and Landry/Reggie

 

[twslam07]

Time to update my list

Available Bigs

1. Josh Smith - I'm not sure he fits, but then I'm not sure Rondo fits. The most talent of anyone left on the market though.
2. Jordan Hill - a bit redundant with Cauley-Stein and Moreland but obviously he has a lot more experience
3. Mirza Teletovic - Signed by the Suns
4. Kevin Seraphin - similar to Hill but younger with more potential and cheaper. Might be a good idea. A likely Mavs target now that DJ reneged on them.
5. Darrell Arthur - Athletic but inconsistent. Offense consists primarily of long 2's that he hits at an only decent clip something that may not fly with George Karl.
6. Glen Davis - Championship Experience and familiarity with Rondo but definitely on the decline and inconsistent
7. Tyler Hansbrough - Not very skilled but a good energy guy for 12-15 mpg
8. Reggie Evans - Terrible offensive player and poor defender but a great rebounder who Boogie likes. Could do worse for the minimum
9. Quincy Acy - Not all that effective in Sacramento but tons of fun to watch. Could be somewhat better in Karl's offense.
10. Andrea Bargnani - Was vastly overpaid on his last deal but not a bad player on a cheap contract. Shooting and skill, not much defense or toughness
11. Cole Aldrich - A guy I'd really like as a minimum contract third C
12. Amare Stoudamire - A veteran presence who can still play a bit. I'm not sure he'd come and I'm not sure we'd want him to
13. Luis Scola - Signed by the Raptors. Bummer
14. Drew Gooden - Learned to shoot the three. Forgot how to score inside the arc. Wouldn't be awful as a stopgap for the vet minimum
15. Carlos Boozer - Better than most people believe. Another stopgap vet but I don't know if he's suited for a George Karl team
16. Ryan Hollins - Meh. Not terrible as an emergency C
17. Chuck Hayes - NO MORE TWIN DUPLEXES
18. Charlie Villanueva - Signed a minimum deal with Dallas
19. Matt Bonner - Also doesn't do much else but shoot 3's. But he's done it on championship teams
20. Ekpe Udoh - I really liked him coming out of college. But he's redundant with this roster. Might not even beat out Moreland for PT
21. Jeff Withey - Another guy I like if Vlade/Karl want an emergency 3rd C for the minimum.
22. Joel Anthony - A guy I liked before Cuz became a good defender and before Koufos, WCS and Moreland - Resigned with Detroit

Available Wings

1. Dorell Wright - A guy I've wanted for a while. Really solid shooter that got lost in Portland
2. K.J. McDaniels - Really like him as a bench defender but Rockets say they'll match all offers
3. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute - James Ham put him on blast as not wanting to play but he looked good in a Kings uni to me. I think we need a wing defender
4. James Jones - For the minimum I think he'd be a great signing. Career 40% 3Pt shooter. Championship experience.
5. Gerald Green - Signed with the Heat
6. Jeff Taylor - Liked him as a 3&D wing coming out but offcourt stuff tells me to pass. Plus he's restricted
7. Richard Jefferson - Resigned with the Mavs
8. Chase Budinger - Decent shooter and energy guy but terrible defender. Meh
9. Rasual Butler - Is he going to play another season? 20 mpg in WAS last year was too much but a decent emergency option
10. Gigi Datome - One dimensional shooter who hasn't shown he can shoot consistently
11. Landry Fields - Welcome to the land of meh. Not excited by Fields or anybody below him on this list
12. Wesley Johnson - Doesn't really do anything well but Cuz could razz him incessantly about the draft. Signed with the Clippers
13. Alonzo Gee - Meh. I think Wesley Johnson is a better option and that's saying something.
14. Hedo Turkoglu - Would be a nostalgia signing only at this point.

Guys on our Summer League Team

• DeAndre Liggins - Could be a very good wing defender and not much else. Offcourt allegations trouble me.
• Sim Bhullar - I'm not sure he'll ever be an NBA quality big, but you can't teach size
• Corey Hawkins - Could be a poor man's Eddie House in time - will likely need seasoning.
• David Wear - Not bad in SL/training camp but if he didn't crack last year's roster why would he this year?
• Julyan Stone - Karl coached him before so there's that.

Not a ton of great options left. As for wings I really only like Dorell Wright, Mbah a Moute, James Jones and Liggins. Well and McDaniels but the Rockets have already said they'll match.

As for bigs we're down to the Reggie Evans & Quincy Acys of the world. Bargnani is about it for stretch 4's but I'm not all that keen on him. I think Hedo would give most of what Bargnani would do and be a better story anyway. I still like Aldrich, Withey, and Holling (in that order) if the Kings want an emergency C.

Josh Smith is the only really splashy option left.

Drew Gooden signed with the Wizards as well.

1 year/$3.3 mil

 

[jdbraver]

Teletovics stats don't look great.

 

[ovrush]

I guess the Kings look less dysfunctional with the revelation that Wes Matthews deal was a max deal if the Mavs didn't deliver on Jordan. They actually paid more than we were going to (not that the media will point this out).

As for Smith, I'm torn. If he plays the same way he did in the playoffs for Houston, he's a good fit with the Kings. He's ideally an athletic 4 who can easily stay with stretch 4s and is athletic enough to provide weakside shot blocking. He's also pretty skilled, a decent passer when willing, and a good finisher in transition... but too much of a chucker. He could play some spot minutes at the 3 as well if needed. I just don't know if we have enough minutes/shots for him. We already have 3 guys who should get minutes at the 4/5 in Cuz/WCS/Kufos. Smith isn't the type to not get minutes. You already have Collison, Kufos, Ben/Belinelli requiring solid minutes off the bench, and Omri is capable as well. If you bring in Smith, you're going to need to run a 10 man rotation... there's a lot of issues with that. I think finding a good chemistry 4th big might be better.... but Smith is a lot of talent to pass up on, and I can definitely talk myself into him being a fit (if he doesn't chuck up 12+ shots a game)

 

[funkykingston]

I like Smith, but stealing Arthur would be fantastic. I like him as a guy we can start while WCS develops and if we didn't want to start Koufos. He's not an offensive threat at all, but he's developed into a defensive stud the last couple years. DRPM loves him (#3 ranked PF in the NBA) and the Nuggets were 9.2 points better defensively when he was on the court with an on/off of 103.1/112.3.

I very much like the idea of having a defensive juggernaut of a front-line. Cousins, Koufos, Arthur, WCS would shut the paint down and there's no weakness in what it could defend against. It's not even funny how big of an improvement defensively that Koufos, Arthur and WCS would be over JT, Dwill and Landry/Reggie

Arthur is another great option at PF.

 

[funkykingston]

Drew Gooden signed with the Wizards as well.

1 year/$3.3 mil

Updated

 

[ovrush]

I kind of like the idea of Bargnani. His name is no where this off season which is kind of shocking considering the added spotlight on shooting and the stretch 4/5 recently. He isn't a bad passer, can play the 4/5, and provides a skillset that isn't on the roster yet. Plus it opens up all kinds of Italian marketing campaigns that I fully support.

 

[TonyTouch21]

Ya'll like my profile pic that I posted almost a year ago? It was a prophecy! And it's almost coming to fruition!

 

[Fear the Putin]

I kind of like the idea of Bargnani. His name is no where this off season which is kind of shocking considering the added spotlight on shooting and the stretch 4/5 recently. He isn't a bad passer, can play the 4/5, and provides a skillset that isn't on the roster yet. Plus it opens up all kinds of Italian marketing campaigns that I fully support.

He was a surprisingly efficient shot blocker when given the minutes.

 

[Jojimbo]

Ya'll like my profile pic that I posted almost a year ago? It was a prophecy! And it's almost coming to fruition!

HAHA! Good foresight, friend. Let's hope it happens.

 

[ockingsfan]

Wes Matthew is now going to make $17.5 mil per year (max money) now the deandre Jordan backed out.

Cuban "gave" Wes the "option" to back out once deandre backed out. Lol, no way Wes would get that money anywhere else now.

Can't help but feel we dodged a bullet when Wes declined our offer.

 

[rainmaker]

I kind of like the idea of Bargnani.

I don't.

 

[Hoovtrain]

I don't.

I do

 

[EIM86]

I do

LOL

 

[c-webb1s#1]

Time to update my list

Available Bigs

1. Josh Smith - I'm not sure he fits, but then I'm not sure Rondo fits. The most talent of anyone left on the market though.
2. Jordan Hill - a bit redundant with Cauley-Stein and Moreland but obviously he has a lot more experience
3. Mirza Teletovic - Signed by the Suns
4. Kevin Seraphin - similar to Hill but younger with more potential and cheaper. Might be a good idea. A likely Mavs target now that DJ reneged on them.
5. Darrell Arthur - Athletic but inconsistent. Offense consists primarily of long 2's that he hits at an only decent clip something that may not fly with George Karl.
6. Glen Davis - Championship Experience and familiarity with Rondo but definitely on the decline and inconsistent
7. Tyler Hansbrough - Not very skilled but a good energy guy for 12-15 mpg
8. Reggie Evans - Terrible offensive player and poor defender but a great rebounder who Boogie likes. Could do worse for the minimum
9. Quincy Acy - Not all that effective in Sacramento but tons of fun to watch. Could be somewhat better in Karl's offense.
10. Andrea Bargnani - Was vastly overpaid on his last deal but not a bad player on a cheap contract. Shooting and skill, not much defense or toughness
11. Cole Aldrich - A guy I'd really like as a minimum contract third C
12. Amare Stoudamire - A veteran presence who can still play a bit. I'm not sure he'd come and I'm not sure we'd want him to
13. Luis Scola - Signed by the Raptors. Bummer
14. Drew Gooden - Learned to shoot the three. Forgot how to score inside the arc. Wouldn't be awful as a stopgap for the vet minimum. Signed with the Wizards.
15. Carlos Boozer - Better than most people believe. Another stopgap vet but I don't know if he's suited for a George Karl team
16. Ryan Hollins - Meh. Not terrible as an emergency C
17. Chuck Hayes - NO MORE TWIN DUPLEXES
18. Charlie Villanueva - Signed a minimum deal with Dallas
19. Matt Bonner - Also doesn't do much else but shoot 3's. But he's done it on championship teams
20. Ekpe Udoh - I really liked him coming out of college. But he's redundant with this roster. Might not even beat out Moreland for PT
21. Jeff Withey - Another guy I like if Vlade/Karl want an emergency 3rd C for the minimum.
22. Joel Anthony - A guy I liked before Cuz became a good defender and before Koufos, WCS and Moreland - Resigned with Detroit

Available Wings

1. Dorell Wright - A guy I've wanted for a while. Really solid shooter that got lost in Portland
2. K.J. McDaniels - Really like him as a bench defender but Rockets say they'll match all offers
3. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute - James Ham put him on blast as not wanting to play but he looked good in a Kings uni to me. I think we need a wing defender
4. James Jones - For the minimum I think he'd be a great signing. Career 40% 3Pt shooter. Championship experience.
5. Gerald Green - Signed with the Heat
6. Jeff Taylor - Liked him as a 3&D wing coming out but offcourt stuff tells me to pass. Plus he's restricted
7. Richard Jefferson - Resigned with the Mavs
8. Chase Budinger - Decent shooter and energy guy but terrible defender. Meh
9. Rasual Butler - Is he going to play another season? 20 mpg in WAS last year was too much but a decent emergency option
10. Gigi Datome - One dimensional shooter who hasn't shown he can shoot consistently
11. Landry Fields - Welcome to the land of meh. Not excited by Fields or anybody below him on this list
12. Wesley Johnson - Doesn't really do anything well but Cuz could razz him incessantly about the draft. Signed with the Clippers
13. Alonzo Gee - Meh. I think Wesley Johnson is a better option and that's saying something.
14. Hedo Turkoglu - Would be a nostalgia signing only at this point.

Guys on our Summer League Team

• DeAndre Liggins - Could be a very good wing defender and not much else. Offcourt allegations trouble me.
• Sim Bhullar - I'm not sure he'll ever be an NBA quality big, but you can't teach size
• Corey Hawkins - Could be a poor man's Eddie House in time - will likely need seasoning.
• David Wear - Not bad in SL/training camp but if he didn't crack last year's roster why would he this year?
• Julyan Stone - Karl coached him before so there's that.

Not a ton of great options left. As for wings I really only like Dorell Wright, Mbah a Moute, James Jones and Liggins. Well and McDaniels but the Rockets have already said they'll match.

As for bigs we're down to the Reggie Evans & Quincy Acys of the world. Bargnani is about it for stretch 4's but I'm not all that keen on him. I think Hedo would give most of what Bargnani would do and be a better story anyway. I still like Aldrich, Withey, and Holling (in that order) if the Kings want an emergency C.

Josh Smith is the only really splashy option left.

I would honestly be fine with Boozer, he is a good locker room guy and still has talent. Its just that he was forced to do too much last season in L.A. but he still is a decent rebounder and can hit the open J and works well around the basket.

 

[Bricklayer]

I would honestly be fine with Boozer, he is a good locker room guy and still has talent. Its just that he was forced to do too much last season in L.A. but he still is a decent rebounder and can hit the open J and works well around the basket.

Wait...he's a good what??

 

[King Baller]

How about Andrea Bargiani? Here is an excerpt from a Knicks perspective:

"If they're comfortable in using their cap space on Bargnani, realistically anything more than $2-3 million would leave too big of a dent in the Knicks' plans for bigger free agents. It's more likely that New York will have to either offer him the minimum or use a portion of its mid-level exception on him—moves that would require Bargnani to either take a major pay cut or wait until the Knicks go over the salary cap before he can be signed."

Cut and pasted it from here--> http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...new-york-knicks-to-bring-back-andrea-bargnani

Since the Kings already have defensive Studs on the front line how about a shooter? He is a career .356 shooter from the 3 point line.

 

[Hoovtrain]

How about Andrea Bargiani? Here is an excerpt from a Knicks perspective:

"If they're comfortable in using their cap space on Bargnani, realistically anything more than $2-3 million would leave too big of a dent in the Knicks' plans for bigger free agents. It's more likely that New York will have to either offer him the minimum or use a portion of its mid-level exception on him—moves that would require Bargnani to either take a major pay cut or wait until the Knicks go over the salary cap before he can be signed."

Cut and pasted it from here--> http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...new-york-knicks-to-bring-back-andrea-bargnani

Since the Kings already have defensive Studs on the front line how about a shooter? He is a career .356 shooter from the 3 point line.

I'm for it . They've already brought in some good front line defenders, so I wouldnt mind some instant offense and shooting off the bench.

 

[Bricklayer]

How about Andrea Bargiani? Here is an excerpt from a Knicks perspective:

"If they're comfortable in using their cap space on Bargnani, realistically anything more than $2-3 million would leave too big of a dent in the Knicks' plans for bigger free agents. It's more likely that New York will have to either offer him the minimum or use a portion of its mid-level exception on him—moves that would require Bargnani to either take a major pay cut or wait until the Knicks go over the salary cap before he can be signed."

Cut and pasted it from here--> http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...new-york-knicks-to-bring-back-andrea-bargnani

Since the Kings already have defensive Studs on the front line how about a shooter? He is a career .356 shooter from the 3 point line.

So so gutless though.

I understand and have tossed the idea around in my head too, but I keep on coming back to the possibility of him either being a) a drain/frustration for other guys; or b) just absent with another endless injury.

He's definitely one of the few remaining guys with the talent to start even, but man if he hasn't always been a loser. Feels like the rest fo the team would be carrying him rather than him helping push.

While I never would have considered it before, I am abruptly not feeling as hostile as I thought I might toward the idea of pursuing Amare. Can still score, and is so vastly experienced he would be adding to that stack of high end experienced vets on the team who just flat expect to make the playoffs. Having enough of those guys around to impart wisdom, work ethic, whatever, could be golden and really help Cuz through rough patches.

 

[funkykingston]

With Jordan Hill gone the options are dwindling further.

Bargnani? Acy? Evans? Arthur? Wright? Mbah a Moute? Smoove?

Vivek needs a shave, time for Vlade to finish up soon.

 

[Kingston Jamaica]

So so gutless though.

I understand and have tossed the idea around in my head too, but I keep on coming back to the possibility of him either being a) a drain/frustration for other guys; or b) just absent with another endless injury.

He's definitely one of the few remaining guys with the talent to start even, but man if he hasn't always been a loser. Feels like the rest fo the team would be carrying him rather than him helping push.

While I never would have considered it before, I am abruptly not feeling as hostile as I thought I might toward the idea of pursuing Amare. Can still score, and is so vastly experienced he would be adding to that stack of high end experienced vets on the team who just flat expect to make the playoffs. Having enough of those guys around to impart wisdom, work ethic, whatever, could be golden and really help Cuz through rough patches.

I'm with you on this. Amare is fragile at this point, but he really has the working ethics and drive to be a positive force when played sparingly. The same goes for Bargnani. He would not have to play big minutes which probably would keep him healthy during the season. Both players represent significant experience and would contribute for a reasonable fee.

 

[ESP47]

Bargnani hasn't played a full season since 2010. He's played in 66, 31, 35, 42 and 29 games a season since then.

Aside from last years small sample size, he's shot under 30% from 3 the previous 3 years combined.

He's done.

 

[KingsCitizen]

I would support picking up any of Bargs, Amare, or J-Smoove.

For Bargs - Picking up Bargs may actually be handy considering his fellow Italian (Marco) will be here. That would make our team to probably get healthy Italian meals every now and then. On basketball note, it would mean, we don't really plan on giving up height on any game. Bargs may not play defense much, but he's offensive arsenal will be handy. I would say, a perfect round-up for our big man lineup to compliment each other skill-wise

For Amare - I'll go with Brick's points. And what actually comes to my mind is how an old Elden Campbell became a very useful big body in Detroit during their championship win against the Lakers. Old all-star players in the NBA would always be handy in the play offs.

For J-Smoove - This would round-up the long-time Kings fans wishlist that have arrived 3 messed seasons later. This is like the Rondo-Gay-Smith big 3 of really good friends, which may help cool down the volatile Rondo and Smith. I would say this, a wild dog would be very dangerous to mix with domesticated dogs. But if you got a pack of wild dogs hunting together, they work as a team and dare not bite each other. Instead they follow the alpha dog and scare the sh*t out of any animal they would decide to prey on. Basketball-wise, well be damn good defensively. He can play both big and small ball. But I hope he gets to learn some good stroke from Rudy or Belinelli. I don't mind him shots from the perimeter at all as long as he's on proper leash.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Bargnani hasn't played a full season since 2010. He's played in 66, 31, 35, 42 and 29 games a season since then.

Aside from last years small sample size, he's shot under 30% from 3 the previous 3 years combined.

He's done.

Bargs won't be playing big minutes here. And that should keep him healthy most of the season.

 

[KingMilz]

I would support picking up any of Bargs, Amare, or J-Smoove.


For Amare - I'll go with Brick's points. And what actually comes to my mind is how an old Elden Campbell became a very useful big body in Detroit during their championship win against the Lakers. Old all-star players in the NBA would always be handy in the play offs.

Elden Campbell and Amare are completely different players there is no comparison, Campbell understood basketball and how to use his size, Amare just dominated on raw athletic ability which he no longer has and his defensive basketball IQ is some of the worst of all time. Plus Amare wants a starting role so he can go **** himself.

I can't stress this enough when your two best players have questionable decision making you need to surround them with intelligent people that know there role guys like Amare/Josh Smith don't fall into that category.

 

[Ron]

Should note last year his shooting fell WAY off.

2012-13: .384FG% .343THR% .495TS%
2013-14: .418FG% .393THR% .559TS%
2014-15: .382FG% .321THR% .500TS%

only one of those three seasons is truly useful. Is that truly him and is he healthy are the questions.

Following him from Europe era.
Truely a lethal shooter.
NBA defense level affected him on 1st year, I think.
And last year may have been a chemistry/coaching/health issue.

 

[KingsFanGER]

I would take Arthur. He was solid for the Grizzlies a few years ago. Plays decent defense, doesn't complain, understands his role and can stretch the floor a bit, which would make him an option, when teams pack the paint versus DMC/Koufos or DMC/WCS.

 

[Albatros]

I hope we don't bring acy back I like his effort but man he is a terrible defender.

 

[KingMilz]

I hope we don't bring acy back I like his effort but man he is a terrible defender.

I agree there's much better options and I'm a Acy fan, I would still like us to get a another SF in case our best starting line up could feature Rudy @PF and Casspi @SF someone like Wright/LRMAM unless they feel James Anderson is capable of playing that role.

 

[Bricklayer]

Elden Campbell and Amare are completely different players there is no comparison, Campbell understood basketball and how to use his size, Amare just dominated on raw athletic ability which he no longer has and his defensive basketball IQ is some of the worst of all time. Plus Amare wants a starting role so he can go **** himself.

I can't stress this enough when your two best players have questionable decision making you need to surround them with intelligent people that know there role guys like Amare/Josh Smith don't fall into that category.

I hope you aren't accusing Elden Campbell there of being a high IQ player, because the book on him was kind of the opposite.

But regardless, Amare has been solid since the injuries. Came off the bench most of the time, has averaged 24, 23 and 22min the last 3 seasons, but still really knows how to score, and has shot .577, .557 and .557 the last 3 seasons. He never played defense so that has not changed, but he's kind of the opposite of low IQ on offense. Even in the face of declining athleticism he still just has that knack. In a sea of imperfect choices he would offer experience and a legit big man scorer when Cuz is out. Be a bad starting pairing, but I'm not sure why people are so scared of WCS, who is basically just going to be asked to hustle and stop people.

When your options are Bargs, Smith, Arthur, Mbah a Moute etc. every single one of them has limitations. We just have to choose which ones we can live with.