Kings trade JT, Nik and Landry to Sixers (renamed)

Michael K-B @therealmikekb
Per source, the Kings were so willing to part w/ Stauskas because Demarcus Cousins didn't get along w/ him. Kings trying to appease Cousins.


Michael K-B @therealmikekb
Per source, Cousins was very tough on Stauskas all last year. Told Kings management he wouldn't pass ball to Stauskas if on court together.


Wow.. Don't like to see that out of Cuz
I call BS. is this person even reliable?
 
Every player in the NBA depends on athleticism. If you're a guard and don't have much athleticism to begin with and you lose just a tad bit of the athleticism you had, you're game could be shot. And certainly, defense depends upon athleticism.
Athleticism often measured by ability to jump (Achilles injury really kills that), when most important physical traits for basketball are mobility coupled with footwork, length and strength (core strength helps coordination and balance/absorbing contact, leg strength and core strength help leverage for better position). That's why Draymond Green had success despite not being fast or a high-flyer.
 
Know what I saw, Cousins repeatedly yelling at Nik on court to shoot the damn ball while Nik hesitated and curled into the fetal position.

This wasn't personal, this was Nik simply not getting it done and Cuz having no patience for it. Not a great love that Cuz thing, but also not some personal meanie poo vendetta. Do your job! We are trying to win here. Shoot the ****ing ball. And Nik couldn't take the heat. If Nik steps up, takes and makes those shots, then the entire issue wouldn't have been there. Then Nik is Cuz's rook.
Hell, if Nik even TAKES the shots, Cousins would probably have been halfway-OK with it.

I never could fathom how Nik could turn down an open shot.
It's not like the Kings asked him to do almost anything out on the court - all he had to do was try to get open for a pass, and shoot it when he got it.

Nik couldn't even accomplish shooting an open shot - think about that.

I frankly never understood was so many KF's kept talking about "Nik has already shown more potential in 1 year than Ben has in 2." "Nik is very close to being a real player in this league."

Requiring playtime to get better is a burden that the Kings now don't have - it's a weight off their shoulders.
Now they can simply focus on having players who justify their time on the court based on what they produce, not some mythical "promise" or investment you have to put into players you drafted because you have to coddle them for 3 years before they start getting better on their own?
 
I'm hoping we get Wes, because it feels like we're running out of options, but if we do I am positively going to be holding my breath every minute he's on court. Memories of Webber going down are far too fresh in my mind.
 
The narrative on Thompson hasn't changed; you need to get your perception recalibrated. The people have been complimentary of Thompson last night and this morning have been entirely consistent with their sentiment about Thompson for some time. Nobody has 'flipped', in the wake of the trade.
No- I think everyone loves his personality, and I think everyone agrees that his contract has been an anchor for several years. The narrative that has changed is that people are now insisting that JT at $7m per year is not an overpay because Monroe got $16m and Lopez got $20m. People are confusing the fact that because JT's contract is less "bad" in comparison to other players, it is somehow no longer an anchor on our cap sheet. That other players got big deals does not change the fact that JT (under Karl's system) is $7m of dead cap space for a guy that will barely play 20 minutes.
 
No- I think everyone loves his personality, and I think everyone agrees that his contract has been an anchor for several years. The narrative that has changed is that people are now insisting that JT at $7m per year is not an overpay because Monroe got $16m and Lopez got $20m. People are confusing the fact that because JT's contract is less "bad" in comparison to other players, it is somehow no longer an anchor on our cap sheet. That other players got big deals does not change the fact that JT (under Karl's system) is $7m of dead cap space for a guy that will barely play 20 minutes.
Exactly! I see trading Thompson as nothing other than a positive. In addition to taking up a large salary he also took up minutes and minutes that hurt this team in my opinion. To those that like him I apologize, but he is not a good player. He is a one trick pony and that is one on one post defense. I know a lot of the media around here like him, he is a nice guy and a good interview, but these claims that he is a good rebounder, makes good plays away from the ball, and does the little things is a complete fallacy. I heard the same things about Chuck Hayes and they were a fallacy there as well. Having Gay or Cauley-Stein play those minutes is going to be great.

As for the money I think a lot of people are forgetting that these new contracts are getting based on the new salary cap that is coming next year. I would guess that a lot of these 4 year $60 million deals are back loaded to start growing beginning next year. Monroe and Lopez got new contracts, Thompson had an old contract. Under the new system Thompson probably gets $10 million, does that mean that his $7 million is a good deal? No it doesn't because we can't just base value off of dollars, but also talent level. In my opinion Thompson is a $4 million player, Monroe is a $10 million player, and Lopez maybe is a $12 million player if he is healthy. Bottom line, all three contracts are bad!

As we stand right now the Kings have zero bad contracts, that feels good. I hate to say this, but with Collison, Gay, and Cousins you might have to give D'Alessandro a little credit.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Every player in the NBA depends on athleticism. If you're a guard and don't have much athleticism to begin with and you lose just a tad bit of the athleticism you had, you're game could be shot. And certainly, defense depends upon athleticism.
That's not actually true. Its why some guys age better too. Reason Duncan is still rumbling along, but DeAndre will be a shell of himself in 10 years. Matthews doesn't need much explosion to do 90% of what he does. It would be foolish to expect him to be 100%, but its not as if he plays like Westbrook and every possession the lack of explosion was going to play in.
 
Bill Herenda ‏@billherenda Jun 23
#Kings PF Jason Thompson on Cousins w/ @FisolaNYDN & @Scalabrine on @SiriusXMNBA “Sometimes it’s not all about what u can bring to a team"

Jason Thompson ‏@jtthekid Jun 25
Same
, Different Day.........

Methinks these tweets helped show Thompson the door. He and Cousins were apparently not fond of each other. And I certainly would not tweet an image of poop to describe the employer that's paid you millions of dollars for seven years either.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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Monroe's a lot better than all that. He's an easy and consistent 16-10 type even if he's only getting 12 shots a game. No longer sharing big man minutes and touches he could be better than that. Top 5 offensive center in the league.

And no I don't think they are going to max him just to bench him. Just a question of whether they feature him heavily, or Bill Cartwright him for the occasional post score
Why not? They also just backed the Brinks truck up for Khris Middleton. I don't think you can start both of them, and who's to say that Middleton doesn't beat him out for the job?
 
This is your source:



What looks to be a college frosh who blogs about the Sixers, and hence now Nik.
You're right, it's actually not verifiably true, but I still got the feeling the Cousins didn't want to pass to Nik at some point in the season. Maybe they worked it out, but this is just speculation
 
And you'd also be wrong about everyone loving JT's personality:

I think he's been a whiny, slow-witted, uncoordinated doofus who's dragged down the morale of the franchise for 8 years with his dunderheadedness and constant belief he's better than he is.

I'm glad he's FINALLY gone.
Addition by subtraction.
That about sums it up, much more to the point and eloquent than I could write it. :)
 
You're right, it's actually not verifiably true, but I still got the feeling the Cousins didn't want to pass to Nik at some point in the season. Maybe they worked it out, but this is just speculation
Wasn't there a time when CWebb was saying the same thing about Peja? I seem to remember Aileen writing an article about how CWebb was supposedly freezing out Peja because Peja was afraid to shoot it. Or maybe it was Bibby who said it? Can anyone refresh me on that?

ACTUAL:
Corbin: Hey DeMarcus, Jimmer was open... er, I mean Nik was open.
DMC: Nah I ain't passing it to him, he's afraid to shoot it.

RUMOR:
DeMarcus told Kings management that he would not pass the ball to Nik if they were on the floor together.
 
It looks like we're going to get Rondo for 10 mil. But if we want Matthews and his demand for 15 mil, we got no room for anybody else! We gotta pick one or the other in my opinion. That way we can get Caspi and Koufus hopefully.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Why not? They also just backed the Brinks truck up for Khris Middleton. I don't think you can start both of them, and who's to say that Middleton doesn't beat him out for the job?
Middleton is no big.

That was precisely the desperate ploy last year, but its also a ploy with a strict limit on how far it will take you. Question will be if any of Giannis/Middleton/Parker can play SG. Otherwise somebody is a versatile 6th man.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You're right, it's actually not verifiably true, but I still got the feeling the Cousins didn't want to pass to Nik at some point in the season. Maybe they worked it out, but this is just speculation
Yes, right about the time Nik got so scared he absolutely refused to shoot he ball and kept pulling it down.

That complete collapse in confidence is what really told the story of Nik's season. Was afraid he was going to pee himself and embarass the franchise with a wet spot at a certain point.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
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Middleton is no big.

That was precisely the desperate ploy last year, but its also a ploy with a strict limit on how far it will take you. Question will be if any of Giannis/Middleton/Parker can play SG. Otherwise somebody is a versatile 6th man.
So, 16/10, with no defense is worth nearly $17M? Also, you keep mentioning touches, but he's not going to get touches.
 
Zach Lowe gets it:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/n...-salary-dump-and-greg-monroes-milwaukee-move/

Sacramento’s Salary Dump
Almost exactly two years ago, the Warriors shipped two future first-round picks to the Jazz as payoff for Utah swallowing $20 million of dead money attached to Richard Jefferson and Andris Biedrins.

...

That’s a lot of “maybes,” and even if they all flip right, this team doesn’t appear headed for the kind of playoff run that would justify this deal.

That's about sums up how I feel about this...
 
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OR JAMES HAM "GETS IT"

Vlade Divac is running the show in Sacramento, and after Wednesday’s big trade we know a little bit more about his management style. He’s aggressive. He’s unafraid. He’s working the phones and he is a gambler. He’s not alone in all of this. He has help in the front office, but it is his name on the letter head now.

It’s impossible to pass a grade on a deal like this. We have no idea what Divac will do with his new $16 million in cap space. For now, we can only look at what the Kings gave up and assess the value of the players.


- See more at: http://cowbellkingdom.com/trade-analysis-kings-vs-76ers/#sthash.ywcrj1iI.dpuf
 
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Zach Lowe gets it:

Sacramento’s Salary Dump
Almost exactly two years ago, the Warriors shipped two future first-round picks to the Jazz as payoff for Utah swallowing $20 million of dead money attached to Richard Jefferson and Andris Biedrins.

That’s a lot of “maybes,” and even if they all flip right, this team doesn’t appear headed for the kind of playoff run that would justify this deal.

That's about sums up how I feel about this...
Nailed it.
 
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Did you just seriously compared James Ham to Zach Lowe?
im not comparing... I'm pointing out that you have 2 sports writers that have 2 entirely different takes on this being a good or bad move... Its WAAAY to early to judge seeing how a lot of it will play out over the next few years... but maybe we should at least wait till we use our cap lol!
 
im not comparing... I'm pointing out that you have 2 sports writers that have 2 entirely different takes on this being a good or bad move... Its WAAAY to early to judge this move... maybe after we use our cap at least.
You have 100 sport writers saying it's bad, including maybe the best NBA writer right now (Zach Lowe).

and than you have a local guy saying it's good....



Not the same...