Kings trade JT, Nik and Landry to Sixers (renamed)

[Bricklayer]

I just dont understand. Another top 10 pick went away for pennies. I know it's a salary dump but we would be lucky to get any free agent, and we're gonna have to overpay like crazy to get them here. Always thought we'd need to trade to get players here. I envision us striking out and then over paying someone. Like Landry all over again

Nik Stauskas averaged 4.4pts on 36.5% shooting last year. Trying to accuse him of being an asset anybody is going to give you anything for is over the top. We swung and missed again. If anything we waited too long until the value was all gone.

You don't win with your 9th men. We have enough money now to give us a 6 man core (Cuz, Rudy, Collison, WCS, signee, signee), with Ben now only our 7th most important guy. We have enough money now to take our league worst backcourt, keep BOTH starters from last year, and make them our bench backcourt. Its a huge step forward. With any kind of reasonable haul in a variety of combinations, we will have every bit as much talent as the West playoff teams. Then it will come down to the ever tricky Karl/Cuz/team chemistry stuff. But this move finally FINALLY should give us the most veteran ready to win now talent we have had since maybe 2005 or so.

 

[SacKings384]

For the love of god please don't let us give Matthews the kind of.money he's asking for. There's a reason he isn't getting it elsewhere.

 

[Bricklayer]

Hate this move. Who starts at PF now? WCS? Never good to have to count on a rookie, especially a rookie big. And who backs him up?

Not to mention giving up on Sauce.

All with no guarantee that they even sign more talented players with the added caproom. Last time it was letting Tyreke go only to flirt with Iggy and ultimately add Landry.

And with rumblings of continued dysfunction. Sometimes I wonder why I follow this team.

If this free agency is a disaster and the Boogie/Karl issue(s) aren't resolved I'm not sure I have the stomach for another hopeless season.

WCS will be just as effective as JT and Carl were last year. maybe moreso. But jsut as likely its start Rudy, maybe alongside Omri or some such. Not my preferred arrangement, but talent wins in this league, we will have a lot of talented players. And we actually have the money to scoop up a big if we want one too depending on who the littles are. We're going shopping now. And last year JT, after Malone was fired, and Carl, added about 0 wins to our seasonal total.

 

[ElRey]

For the love of god please don't let us give Matthews the kind of.money he's asking for. There's a reason he isn't getting it elsewhere.

"Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick 3m3 minutes ago
Speaking of Wes Matthews, I'm told he's scheduled to visit Kings in Sacramento tomorrow. Assuming the SMF runway will be one long red carpet"

I think Kings are going all in on Matthews...he's going to get what he wants.

 

[SacKings384]

Nik Stauskas averaged 4.4pts on 36.5% shooting last year. Trying to accuse him of being an asset anybody is going to give you anything for is over the top. We swung and missed again. If anything we waited too long until the value was all gone.

You don't win with your 9th men. We have enough money now to give us a 6 man core (Cuz, Rudy, Collison, WCS, signee, signee), with Ben now only our 7th most important guy. We have enough money now to take our league worst backcourt, keep BOTH starters from last year, and make them our bench backcourt. Its a huge step forward. With any kind of reasonable haul in a variety of combinations, we will have every bit as much talent as the West playoff teams. Then it will come down to the ever tricky Karl/Cuz/team chemistry stuff. But this move finally FINALLY should give us the most veteran ready to win now talent we have had since maybe 2005 or so.

Stanislaus still had some value. We could have said the same thing about maclemore. We all recognize that we will have to overpay to get guys here. That will make them virtually untradeable. There's nobody left on the table to get excited about.

Wes probably has a market value of about $10 per year. Rondo around $7. If we use all $25 million on those two I just don't see us having any pieces to add any depth.

 

[Bricklayer]

Idc about losing the players. The picks are a big deal

Not as big as you may think. Top 10 protected means we're not likely giving up a changer for us. And the two swaps in 2016 and 17 come suring years when Philly is likely still going to be pretty bad or mediocre at best. We're not going to end up with 30th picks out of it.

 

[theclash4u5]

We are finally all in, and I love it! No more trying to patch things together in the hopes that Boogie will be happy for another 5 years. We have a once in a generation talent, and we are finally committing to at least trying to build a team around him. An offseason where we added WCS, Stuckey, and Corey Brewer wasn't going to get us past 35 wins. At least now we are trying.

And if it all blows up - either because we can't make the moves to finish this off, Matthews comes and gets hurt again, or Rondo comes and is a head case - Boogie is going to want out. And then we will be in full rebuild. And we will be trading Boogie to start that rebuild. In doing so, we will be getting back some of the picks we just lost/swapped with Philly. In essence, we will be starting a rebuild in 2/3 years because we tried to hit a home run in the Boogie era and we failed. But at least we tried. It sure as hell beats holding Boogie for 3 more years, trying for "next year" in the draft, and hoping to piece together a 40 win team. Both of those failed scenarios end in a rebuild, but at least in one of them we can say we tried.

And if it all blows up and we go into full rebuild, when we are finishing with a lotto pick in the top 5, it will eventually belong to Philly. Twice. Maybe three times, depending on how long that top 10 protection is good for. Hard to rebuild with no draft picks in the future.

 

[206Fan]

The Nets mortgaged their future draft picks too. Do you know the result? 3 straight playoff contentions. If we can get good FA signings, we'll have good chances at the playoffs.

 

[Entity]

For the love of god please don't let us give Matthews the kind of.money he's asking for. There's a reason he isn't getting it elsewhere.

That reason is nobody has it. Dallas offered 12 mil. Last I checked Dallas was a consistent winning team. Wes is an asset. 3 and D player

 

[Tetsujin]

For the love of god please don't let us give Matthews the kind of.money he's asking for. There's a reason he isn't getting it elsewhere.

To be fair to Matthews, the main reason he hasn't been getting the big money he's asking for is that other teams were too busy overpaying other guys asking for too much money.

 

[Bricklayer]

Stanislaus still had some value. We could have said the same thing about maclemore. We all recognize that we will have to overpay to get guys here. That will make them virtually untradeable. There's nobody left on the table to get excited about.

Wes probably has a market value of about $10 per year. Rondo around $7. If we use all $25 million on those two I just don't see us having any pieces to add any depth.

That will BE our depth.

In your scenario we have:

Cuz
WCS
Gay
Matthews/Ben
Rondo/Collison

and then fill in with Omri, Miller, Acy, McCallum, Dahntay Jones, etc. etc. I'd like one more good big, but we are already deep there, deep as most playoff teams, assuming of course health and that WCS doesn't flop.

 

[Tetsujin]

The Nets mortgaged their future draft picks too. Do you know the result? 3 straight playoff contentions. If we can get good FA signings, we'll have good chances at the playoffs.

The Nets situation was far different from ours as well since The Boogie/Rudy/DC core we started out with is younger/better than the Deron Williams/Brook Lopez/Gerald Wallace core the Nets had when they went insane and traded all their picks for old dudes clearly on their last legs.

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

Let's say Mathews was asking for $12 mill a year. We'd likely have to give him $14-15 anyways just for being Sacramento.

Those opposed to signing Mathews should clarify exactly what they would do with our current cap situation.

If it were up to me:

- Mathews
- Rondo
- Casspi

The first two signings demote current starters, thus increasing depth/adding quality bench players, while obviously signing Casspi brings in a valuable SF backup.

 

[jcwkings]

I will hold all judgement until all moves are made. I can see Bricks point of view and I can see the doubter point of view. I will say that our history with free agents is pee poor and this summer our organization looks as pee poor as you can get. I'm hoping or Rondo, Matthews and Koufos if its possible. We need a 3rd big now that can at least contribute 15 mins.

 

[206Fan]

I will hold all judgement until all moves are made. I can see Bricks point of view and I can see the doubter point of view. I will say that our history with free agents is pee poor and this summer our organization looks as pee poor as you can get. I'm hoping or Rondo, Matthews and Koufos if its possible. We need a 3rd big now that can at least contribute 15 mins.

Kofus?

 

[theclash4u5]

The Nets mortgaged their future draft picks too. Do you know the result? 3 straight playoff contentions. If we can get good FA signings, we'll have good chances at the playoffs.

And what have the Nets done with that? 1st round or bust, right? I guess they beat the Raptors. But guess what...they still haven't given all the picks to Boston yet. They are royally screwed in the future.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

And the two swaps in 2016 and 17 come suring years when Philly is likely still going to be pretty bad or mediocre at best.

Is that confirmed? The thing is that our pick is still encumbered in 2016/2017 (the one going to the Bulls). Unless we really blow this, we won't have a pick in one of either '16 or '17 anyway. So if the swaps really are '16/'17 then most likely the swap is extinguished if we convey the pick to fulfill the other trade. Which would mean that we're in essence only giving one pick swap, not two.

 

[SacKings384]

I share the same thoughts here: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/2/8882241/kings-trade-salary-cap-space-draft-terrible

 

[theclash4u5]

Let's say Mathews was asking for $12 mill a year. We'd likely have to give him $14-15 anyways just for being Sacramento.

Those opposed to signing Mathews should clarify exactly what they would do with our current cap situation.

If it were up to me:

- Mathews
- Rondo
- Casspi

The first two signings demote current starters, thus increasing depth/adding quality bench players, while obviously signing Casspi brings in a valuable SF backup.

Sam Amick has already said he was asking for $15M from contenders. Might have to pay $20M to get him to come here. No joke.

 

[Rain man]

And if it all blows up and we go into full rebuild, when we are finishing with a lotto pick in the top 5, it will eventually belong to Philly. Twice. Maybe three times, depending on how long that top 10 protection is good for. Hard to rebuild with no draft picks in the future.

And at that point, when it does blow up, the Lakers (or someone like them) will be around to offer us something like a first, Randle, and Clarkson, for Boogie. It isn't ideal, but there will be chances to restock the assets if we need to rebuild. At least we are trying something.

 

[twslam07]

I show us having roughly 29MM in cap space now after the WCS signing (assuming we waive all our non guaranteed) does that sound correct?

Nope, we have $24,222,494 in cap space now.

 

[NowImLost]

#StopVivek2015

 

[John Galt]

Because they had negative value. That was Philly's whole game. We'll take your junk contracts and clear your cap in exchange for picks.

 

[sauce-26]

The downside to being stationed in Italy is I have to wait all day to hear more news while America sleeps

 

[theclash4u5]

And at that point, when it does blow up, the Lakers (or someone like them) will be around to offer us something like a first, Randle, and Clarkson, for Boogie. It isn't ideal, but there will be chances to restock the assets if we need to rebuild. At least we are trying something.

Except that first from the Lakers will be a pick in the 20's or later. If we wanted to trade Cousins to the Lakers, this was the year. They owe a future pick to 76ers next year (top 3 protected). They can't be as bad as they were last year.

 

[ockingsfan]

I don't like the trade for the mere fact that you are giving up 2 first round picks. Why did we need to include Stauskas in the Trade if we were sending them a future 1st already?

The Lakers took J Lin and his $15 mil contract and all Houston had to give up was one late first round pick.

Ok, trade the pick, but why do we need to include a previous #8 pick or trade Nik and no future 1st rounders!

I don't like this trade. Why not save your assets and trade Nik for an actual player and not just cap space!

 

[c-webb1s#1]

If this is clearing space to get Matthews $15 mil/yr I'll consider drinking a whole bottle of Jack and crying myself to sleep.

If overpaying a little bit is what it takes....DO IT
If rolling the dice on Rondo is what it takes....DO IT






Lets not ignore the fact that Aminu just got $30 million
Tristan Thompson $80 million
Brandon Knight $70 million
Khris Middleton $70 million

and the list of ridiculous contracts goes on even further.... a 4 year $60 million dollar deal for him wouldnt be that bad.

For Rondo or Ellis....mmmm yeah definitely!

 

[jdbraver]

If Wes wants to win he cannot ask for $20mil

 

[macadocious]

Nope, we have $24,222,494 in cap space now.

This is what I figured...

PLAYER NAME 2015/16
DeMarcus Cousins $14,728,844
Rudy Gay $12,403,101
Derrick Williams
Carl Landry
Jason Thompson
Darren Collison $5,013,559
Ben McLemore $3,156,600
Nik Stauskas
Ray McCallum $947,276
Eric Moreland
David Stockton
TOTALS $36,249,380
WCS 3,200,000
$39,449,380 w WCS
69,000,000 Salary Cap
$29,550,620 Total available

 

[Gary]

Sam Amick has already said he was asking for $15M from contenders. Might have to pay $20M to get him to come here. No joke.

I doubt that...

EDIT: Doubt we will have to offer 20mil, not that he wanted 15m from Dallas.