One AND ONLY Cousins trade rumors thread
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I'm a long time member who rarely writes on here but loves to read all the posts. I love this site! IF, and I mean IF we HAVE to trade Cousins, why not offer him to DET for Drummond, #8 and more assets? We get a young big who runs the court, plays above the rim, a rim protector and still on a cheap deal, plus the #8 pick, where we draft another young player plus future assets. Plus we send him to the east and only face him twice. Again I don't want to trade Cousins as he is the best big in the NBA, but let's look at other offers besides the Lakers. For the record, I hate the Lakers!
I will say this for the thousandth time: when you have a young HOFer virtually ANY package for him is a step down. Wiggins actually rather stunk it up last year. Maybe he gets there, maybe not. Not sure I see it. Towns you certainly hope for. Rubio...is dubious, at least at that level.
A lot of people gamble. Its a human weakness, a disconnect in our ability to correctly balance possible rewards vs. current possessions. In short we are over-optimistic. Casino owners know this, and so they rob us blind (not me, I don't partake) year after year, and we go back for more.
Dumping a proven immensely talented ALL NBA center for kids you HOPE will one day be ALL NBA players is the same weakness speaking. Its why draft picks are so overvalued too. We see the possible upside, and it quickly becomes the only thing we see. All the negative outcomes get washed away as we chase that one possible reward. DeMarcus Cousins is here and so good you basically need somebody to be a Top 20 player of all time to significantly outflank him. You pick up kids and you hope, but you absolutely cannot know this. These guys are not LeBrons or Shaqs. The best that can be said is that best case scenario Wiggins and Towns and Rubio is a package which legitimately COULD work out. But it certainly doesn't have to. Wiggins might be an 18ppg scorer. Towns might be a talented 15-8 type guy. Nobody turns out to be a franchise guy. And so the franchise waddles on chasing what it already had.
A lot of people gamble. Its a human weakness, a disconnect in our ability to correctly balance possible rewards vs. current possessions. In short we are over-optimistic. Casino owners know this, and so they rob us blind (not me, I don't partake) year after year, and we go back for more.
Dumping a proven immensely talented ALL NBA center for kids you HOPE will one day be ALL NBA players is the same weakness speaking. Its why draft picks are so overvalued too. We see the possible upside, and it quickly becomes the only thing we see. All the negative outcomes get washed away as we chase that one possible reward. DeMarcus Cousins is here and so good you basically need somebody to be a Top 20 player of all time to significantly outflank him. You pick up kids and you hope, but you absolutely cannot know this. These guys are not LeBrons or Shaqs. The best that can be said is that best case scenario Wiggins and Towns and Rubio is a package which legitimately COULD work out. But it certainly doesn't have to. Wiggins might be an 18ppg scorer. Towns might be a talented 15-8 type guy. Nobody turns out to be a franchise guy. And so the franchise waddles on chasing what it already had.
I was being a bit sarcastic. 
It'd obviously be a good trade but I'd always be reluctant to trade DMC.
It'd obviously be a good trade but I'd always be reluctant to trade DMC.
CALL OFF YOUR DOGS BOOGIE.
Your dam agent works for you. If you want to be here and we all trust that you do then call him up and tell him to stop with this BS play.
VLADE cant you see this has to end. Its a players league and it may not be right but Karl and Demarcus simply are not going to get along
Your dam agent works for you. If you want to be here and we all trust that you do then call him up and tell him to stop with this BS play.
VLADE cant you see this has to end. Its a players league and it may not be right but Karl and Demarcus simply are not going to get along
And neither is Cousins...LeBron carried some terrible teams to 50+ wins...yeah, eastern conference, I know but putting Cousins RIGHT NOW in that mix of players is just not fair. Now to be fair, having a stable franchise would be a step in the right direction and not keep dumping talented players for lesser ones. The jury is still out until proven otherwise so all we can base this upon is IF he gets to that LeBron, Shaqlike impact for his team.
Yes I would.
The entire point of drafts is to acquire DeMarcus Cousins. When you have found a Top 10 player in the world, everything else becomes irrelevant. Anything and anybody else you acquire would just be an attempt to, you guessed it, get back that Top 10 player in the world you already had. You can't trade up unless you pretty much are getting back multiple Top 10 players, or at least one Top 10 player and a couple of elite friends.
And Wiggins is a great athlete with a shaky shot. who put up an entirely average SG statline as a rook. He'll be good, but a "good" SG is one of the least impactful players you can have. He needs to be the full on great in order for his impact to match the hype. Durant took a big leap after his rookie year, but then again Durant was a freak. We'll see.
The entire point of drafts is to acquire DeMarcus Cousins. When you have found a Top 10 player in the world, everything else becomes irrelevant. Anything and anybody else you acquire would just be an attempt to, you guessed it, get back that Top 10 player in the world you already had. You can't trade up unless you pretty much are getting back multiple Top 10 players, or at least one Top 10 player and a couple of elite friends.
And Wiggins is a great athlete with a shaky shot. who put up an entirely average SG statline as a rook. He'll be good, but a "good" SG is one of the least impactful players you can have. He needs to be the full on great in order for his impact to match the hype. Durant took a big leap after his rookie year, but then again Durant was a freak. We'll see.
LeBron is a Top 5 all time player. Its even a level above. A player can be untouchable long before he becomes Jordan.
And the Cavs got their ducks in a row very quickly after LeBron arrived. Rookie year he had to deal with some foolishness, but they quickly shaped up. Never gave him great talent, but gave him lots of roleplayers and an absolutely unquestioned focus on featuring LeBron and doing whatever they could to make him great.
Meanwhile we've done everything but take a baseball bat to Cuz's kness. Peevishness, ideology, ignorance, we've actively fought everything he is for 5 years now.
And the Cavs got their ducks in a row very quickly after LeBron arrived. Rookie year he had to deal with some foolishness, but they quickly shaped up. Never gave him great talent, but gave him lots of roleplayers and an absolutely unquestioned focus on featuring LeBron and doing whatever they could to make him great.
Meanwhile we've done everything but take a baseball bat to Cuz's kness. Peevishness, ideology, ignorance, we've actively fought everything he is for 5 years now.
I wouldn't just turn it down, I'd call whoever called and tempted me with it a ******* idiot.
You can't replace Cuz. Just as you couldn't replace a young KG, Dirk, Duncan, Shaq. HOF bigs are extremely valuable, rare, and pooling lesser talent together never gets you what you had. Why? Because legit franchise players, centerpieces, are incredibly hard to come by. You need one. Steph, Lebron, Dirk, Durant, Wade, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Webber previously with us, that's what you need. Without the foundational centerpiece you'll always be chasing the few teams who have it, or you're hoping for a once in a couple decade run like Detroit had.
You never trade away such a piece when it's already in your possession, especially in a small market like ours. You trade a HOF big and you end up like the other teams who have. Regretting it for the next decade.
Should ask why a team as historic as the Lakers are doing everything they can to get Cuz. It's because they know exactly how valuable that type of player is. He's the centerpiece. Once you have that, you build around it. They always go after a centerpiece.
You can't replace Cuz. Just as you couldn't replace a young KG, Dirk, Duncan, Shaq. HOF bigs are extremely valuable, rare, and pooling lesser talent together never gets you what you had. Why? Because legit franchise players, centerpieces, are incredibly hard to come by. You need one. Steph, Lebron, Dirk, Durant, Wade, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Webber previously with us, that's what you need. Without the foundational centerpiece you'll always be chasing the few teams who have it, or you're hoping for a once in a couple decade run like Detroit had.
You never trade away such a piece when it's already in your possession, especially in a small market like ours. You trade a HOF big and you end up like the other teams who have. Regretting it for the next decade.
Should ask why a team as historic as the Lakers are doing everything they can to get Cuz. It's because they know exactly how valuable that type of player is. He's the centerpiece. Once you have that, you build around it. They always go after a centerpiece.
For a good chunk of the year yes. But he played both in that chaos, and actually played better as a guard. He'll need to fill out to be much of a SF.
Here's the thing with him though: he's not a great shooter at this point. He's not a great ballhandler/assistman at this point. So...exactly what is he going to end up doing at so elite a level that he becomes one of the true greats?
Here's the thing with him though: he's not a great shooter at this point. He's not a great ballhandler/assistman at this point. So...exactly what is he going to end up doing at so elite a level that he becomes one of the true greats?
Brick at this point I think it's clear Fagen is pulling the strings, but he's only do so with Boogies blessing. So what's the endgame if he stays? I'm just worried this will drag into the season and his value will fall because of it. Superstar or not. I don't envision a scenario where boogie starts the season happy if he's wearing a kings uniform. I'm pissed that it's come to this, and I don't fault boogie for wanting out, but I think we're between a rock and a hard place.
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