Kings Pre-draft Workouts

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Gilles

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SacTownKid said:
Depends on what you call talent. Mudiay has the potential to get a team 20, 5, and 5. In his entire college career WCS was slightly under productive in most categories. Mudiay has offensive tools to be a star on the right team, WCS is an upper classman role player along the lines of Chris Anderson. Both are valuable in their own way but for a team needing actual talent it would be a major mistake for the Knicks any way you slice it. Just the same it would probably be a mistake for the Kings to take Mudiay over someone like Willie.
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There are two sides of the floor, and Tyson Chandler was arguably the second-best player on a championship team.
Andersen is scrawny, not that long (6'10" with 7' wingspan), and almost all of his blocks are of flying type. WCS has a reach of 9'3", so he actually doesn't need to leave his feet to contest effectively. And WCS will have one of the best physical profiles for defensive big right after entering the league.
Also Manny is good, but not that special, but you can continue to imply, that WCS will be lucky to get second contract, while Mudiay will fight for MVP before his rookie contract ends.
 
IfAt1st

IfAt1st

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Iced Espresso said:
Looks like WCS is working out for.........The Nuggets

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238103/Willie-Cauley-Stein-To-Work-Out-For-Nuggets-Monday
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This is getting absurd!
The prospective #5 or #6 pick can NOT workout for the 7th-selecting team but not the 6th selecting team, unless there's something SERIOUSLY weird, wrong, or undisclosed going on.
(Not to mention, the Kings should have the advantage in appealing to WCS, both he and DMC being Kentucky #15's and all....)

I will quote my chicken-little-ish post from 11 days ago, because it is only becoming more applicable as the weeks drag on:
IfAt1st said:
WTF is this?
Are the Kings TRYING to become a laughingstock of the NBA?

Don't they, like, have serious work to do, preparing for the most important (personnel-wise) off-season in franchise history?
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Mudiay said he won't work out for the Kings (#6 team).
Kings haven't revealed that ANY of their staff that have attended ANY workouts.
Instead, they're working out Cameron f-ing Payne?!

And the last time the Kings didn't work out their pick, they chose Thomas Robinson -
How'd that work out again?
 
SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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Gilles said:
There are two sides of the floor, and Tyson Chandler was arguably the second-best player on a championship team.
Andersen is scrawny, not that long (6'10" with 7' wingspan), and almost all of his blocks are of flying type. WCS has a reach of 9'3", so he actually doesn't need to leave his feet to contest effectively. And WCS will have one of the best physical profiles for defensive big right after entering the league.
Also Manny is good, but not that special, but you can continue to imply, that WCS will be lucky to get second contract, while Mudiay will fight for MVP before his rookie contract ends.
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Here's the difference in what talent is vs. role player impact on the right team, stick Chandler on these Knicks and see the impact. Oh wait, they already did.
 
SacTownKid

SacTownKid

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IfAt1st said:
This is getting absurd!
The prospective #5 or #6 pick can NOT workout for the 7th-selecting team but not the 6th selecting team, unless there's something SERIOUSLY weird, wrong, or undisclosed going on.
(Not to mention, the Kings should have the advantage in appealing to WCS, both he and DMC being Kentucky #15's and all....)

I will quote my chicken-little-ish post from 11 days ago, because it is only becoming more applicable as the weeks drag on:
Mudiay said he won't work out for the Kings (#6 team).
Kings haven't revealed that ANY of their staff that have attended ANY workouts.
Instead, they're working out Cameron f-ing Payne?!

And the last time the Kings didn't work out their pick, they chose Thomas Robinson -
How'd that work out again?
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I did read, and in some random video did see the Kings brass, I think Pete?, at a workout a few weeks back featuring Stanley Johnson and some others.
 
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Gilles

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SacTownKid said:
Here's the difference in what talent is vs. role player impact on the right team, stick Chandler on these Knicks and see the impact. Oh wait, they already did.
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Oh, wait, they had Melo. He must be talentless then.
There was a big difference between 12/13 and 13/14 Knicks teams: 12/13 team got a lot of minutes out of the group of almost washed up vets, who still knew how to play, in Kidd, Kurt Thomas, Sheed, Camby. Knicks got a lot of threes from Novak and Copeland as well. Chandler also played 11 more games.
Knicks stripped themselves of all this burden in the summer and got 17 less wins in 13/14.
 
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dude12

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SacTownKid said:
Depends on what you call talent. Mudiay has the potential to get a team 20, 5, and 5. In his entire college career WCS was slightly under productive in most categories. Mudiay has offensive tools to be a star on the right team, WCS is an upper classman role player along the lines of Chris Anderson. Both are valuable in their own way but for a team needing actual talent it would be a major mistake for the Knicks any way you slice it. Just the same it would probably be a mistake for the Kings to take Mudiay over someone like Willie.
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If I had my choice between Mudiay and WCS for the Kings, I'm probably taking Mudiay but if they took WCS, I wouldn't be too disappointed. If you keep focusing on WCS and his offense, your missing the point and maybe you didn't watch him in college. He is a potentially elite defensive player. If your watching the championship series, you just have to see what Draymond Green is doing and maybe closer to home for WCS would be Tristan Thompson on the high pick and roll and Thompson switches off on the GS guards. Thompson did a great job for the most part on these switches....didn't realize he was that agile but I think WCS would be even better than Thompson and closer to D Green who is able to guard multi-positions. It takes talent to do that. It takes players like that to get to the championship.

Coach Karl is asking for some defensive oriented players on his shopping list. When in Denver, when he won57 games and the next year they didn't have Iguodala and Koufos and they went backwards. For me, we don't have a guy like WCS and we don't have a guy like Mudiay.....although watching his mix tape, Mudiay looks like he could be a Tyreke type player size-wise.

I'd be ecstatic with either WCS or Mudiay but to say that WCS is not worthy of being picked at 4 by NY, that is a stretch.
 
Kingster

Kingster

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dude12 said:
So Carmicheal Dave says there's no chane Kings draft Mudiay if he's there at 6. Mudiay's camp says he will work out for the first 5 teams only. Sac is going to workout Cameron Payne next week....possible pick at 6. Is this calculated to get Mudiay to workout? If I'm him, I'd probably extend my workouts to include Kings.

I believe that WCS is picked at 4 to the Knicks...feel strongly about that. I don't believe Orlando will pick Mudiay with Elfrid Payton their guy.....so 5 is the biggest mystery.
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And why is that exactly? Because Mudiay is dissing them, or because they just don't like his ability? Also, are we now back to the transparent PDA regime where we hear all this trash coming out of the Kings camp? Or is it all just part of the draft game? I guess we'll have to wait until after the draft to know which is which.
 
Capt. Factorial

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Kingster said:
I don't really think so, Capt. I think it's very reasonable for agents and potential draftees to have a "show me" attitude with respect to the Kings. They want some positive history with this team before they feel comfortable coming here.
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Everything around here is Chicken Little. It's early June, we haven't announced a workout with WCS yet (nor have 28 other teams, with Denver the only exception I believe) and all of a sudden this snowballs into suggestions that we're "blacklisted". We'll get zero players to come in and work out, we're going to blow the draft and Cousins will demand a trade if he hasn't already and...

There's a strong tendency here to actively look for negativity and then to blow it up all out of proportion. "Vlade brushed a piece of lint off of his shirt! I think maybe he has heard that arena construction has been cancelled!" kind of stuff.

The whole point of sports (and entertainment in general) is to make you happy, not miserable. People should look for reasons to be hopeful - We have a future Hall-of-Fame coach, one of the best big men in the game, and a very solid wingman. We have some youth that has promise, and we have the #6 pick in a draft that should have plenty of talent down to that slot, including one player who fits us very well. Vlade was always the best glue guy around - amazing at getting people to work together - and he should have a huge positive influence on our locker room and on our front office, and while he doesn't have a lot of experience running an NBA team, he's obviously a good evaluator of basketball talent. Not only should he be good for us internally, but he ought to garner us respect in the rest of the NBA as well. We have a new arena going up downtown that is growing by leaps and bounds and is as of now on schedule and on budget. Yet there's this relentless focus on the negative because as a fanbase we apparently don't know how to be any other way. We worry about things that we have no control over, and we make ourselves miserable doing it.

Why not take a step back and re-evaluate?
 
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pshn80

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Right on, Capt.. What we all need a change in calendar - tomorrow is draft dat, next day is 7/1, then signing day,then opening of summer league, then camp, then the opener where we can see our new team play it's first game. It would sure cut down on posts.
 
Iced Espresso

Iced Espresso

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Capt. Factorial said:
Everything around here is Chicken Little. It's early June, we haven't announced a workout with WCS yet (nor have 28 other teams, with Denver the only exception I believe) and all of a sudden this snowballs into suggestions that we're "blacklisted". We'll get zero players to come in and work out, we're going to blow the draft and Cousins will demand a trade if he hasn't already and...

There's a strong tendency here to actively look for negativity and then to blow it up all out of proportion. "Vlade brushed a piece of lint off of his shirt! I think maybe he has heard that arena construction has been cancelled!" kind of stuff.

The whole point of sports (and entertainment in general) is to make you happy, not miserable. People should look for reasons to be hopeful - We have a future Hall-of-Fame coach, one of the best big men in the game, and a very solid wingman. We have some youth that has promise, and we have the #6 pick in a draft that should have plenty of talent down to that slot, including one player who fits us very well. Vlade was always the best glue guy around - amazing at getting people to work together - and he should have a huge positive influence on our locker room and on our front office, and while he doesn't have a lot of experience running an NBA team, he's obviously a good evaluator of basketball talent. Not only should he be good for us internally, but he ought to garner us respect in the rest of the NBA as well. We have a new arena going up downtown that is growing by leaps and bounds and is as of now on schedule and on budget. Yet there's this relentless focus on the negative because as a fanbase we apparently don't know how to be any other way. We worry about things that we have no control over, and we make ourselves miserable doing it.

Why not take a step back and re-evaluate?
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Maybe 30 years of experience as a Kings fan?

I've been hosed by refs in our only championship run, saw our franchise guy go down. Saw us draft Pervis at the #1.

Maloofary and the team trying to leave town.

Oh I dunno, the notion that maybe a couple of people may not want to play here does not enter the grassy knoll realm to me. Seems like the typical dog poop you step on while trying to enjoy yourself at the park to me.
 
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randymoss1881

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ockingsfan said:
Maybe the Agents are hearing that the Kings are trading their #6 pick and don't want to waste their player's time?
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+1
Why would a Kentucky kid not want to go to a team he fits perfectly with in cousins. Just can't imagine him want Denver over us he won't start over Faried and I'm sure he knows Gay/cousins are legit vs whatemever is on Denver.
 
Iced Espresso

Iced Espresso

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funkykingston said:
Or maybe Cauley-Stein will head from Denver to Sacramento for a workout on Tuesday or Wednesday.

It could just be that information isn't leaking on the Kings side and WCS and his agent are low key as well.
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I hope that is the case.

I'd be low key after the top 4 if I was WCS agent, unless I thought there was legit risk he slides deep personally.
 
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206Fan

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The Kings have been very low-key for this year's draft. They're doing things behind closed doors but aren't making all the info available to the public. It's already been said that the Kings went to look at Stanley Johnson and a few others. The Kings were also out there scouting Hezonja. Vlade is/was in Europe scouting prospects and probably talking to vets. I think the Kings not having a 2nd round pick really limits the number of draftees interested in working out for us.
 
CruzDude

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Gilles said:
Camp ends on July, 8th and Vlade is likely to go for a long vacation in the Alps after that. :rolleyes: I obviously don't know anything about Vlade's plans, but I believe it's safe to assume, they might start running Sacramento-based workouts as early as July, 10th.
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Not likely as Summer League roster will begin workouts the week prior (around 5th or 6th) to the 10 July start of summer league which then runs thru 20th depending on how well Kings team does in playoff format. If any Euros are going to summer league they would have to be signed the week prior latest.

That doesn't say there might be other workouts but unlikely given the importance of Summer League to look at 7-8 new bodies, assuming that Ben, Ray, Nik, Erik and draft choice take 5 slots.
 
Kingster

Kingster

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Capt. Factorial said:
Everything around here is Chicken Little. It's early June, we haven't announced a workout with WCS yet (nor have 28 other teams, with Denver the only exception I believe) and all of a sudden this snowballs into suggestions that we're "blacklisted". We'll get zero players to come in and work out, we're going to blow the draft and Cousins will demand a trade if he hasn't already and...

There's a strong tendency here to actively look for negativity and then to blow it up all out of proportion. "Vlade brushed a piece of lint off of his shirt! I think maybe he has heard that arena construction has been cancelled!" kind of stuff.

The whole point of sports (and entertainment in general) is to make you happy, not miserable. People should look for reasons to be hopeful - We have a future Hall-of-Fame coach, one of the best big men in the game, and a very solid wingman. We have some youth that has promise, and we have the #6 pick in a draft that should have plenty of talent down to that slot, including one player who fits us very well. Vlade was always the best glue guy around - amazing at getting people to work together - and he should have a huge positive influence on our locker room and on our front office, and while he doesn't have a lot of experience running an NBA team, he's obviously a good evaluator of basketball talent. Not only should he be good for us internally, but he ought to garner us respect in the rest of the NBA as well. We have a new arena going up downtown that is growing by leaps and bounds and is as of now on schedule and on budget. Yet there's this relentless focus on the negative because as a fanbase we apparently don't know how to be any other way. We worry about things that we have no control over, and we make ourselves miserable doing it.

Why not take a step back and re-evaluate?
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I think it's reasonable to be negative with this team. Look, you don't have to look very hard to find negativity when it comes to this team. How about a couple of months ago? How about every year over the last ten? It's not like it's hard. It's about as easy as can be. The "have faith" and "wait and see" arguments are much more difficult. Those arguments are not based on history, other than Vlade Divac was a great glue guy with the team and he gets along with everyone. So is that why PDA is still around? Because Vlade Divac is the great glue guy who can get along with everyone? And is that why a player from another team should want to come here? I think you're preaching to the fan base, which is great. If you're a fanatical fan and you're still a fan after all these dreadful years, you're going to more likely to look for the think ray of sunlight in the vast cloudy black of the skyline, but if you're a player? No way! Are you going to be convinced by Vlade or Karl or Vivek that things are going to be different this time? Heck, this organization hasn't even cleaned house yet. The suck-up incompetent GM is still in the basement. Why in the world would you come to the Kings when they can't even clean the house, much less before they have demonstrated over time that they are proficient at structural renovation?

P.S. I've said before that maybe, maybe, maybe Karl might tip one or two FA's to come to the Kings who previously have played with him, but that's still a longshot, until I see differently.
 
Capt. Factorial

Capt. Factorial

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Kingster said:
I think it's reasonable to be negative with this team. Look, you don't have to look very hard to find negativity when it comes to this team.
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Let me just point out that the post that I specifically referred to, which brought negativity to new heights, speculated that we had been blacklisted because WCS didn't have an announced workout with the Kings. Less than 24 hours later there was an announcement of WCS's workout with the Kings, making it pretty obvious that people are working too hard to find negativity when it comes to this team.
 
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