i wouldn't be surprised if the kings select Porzingis in the draft

rainmaker

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Capt. Factorial said:
I think that there's also inherently a problem with the definition of "Euro" as it has come to mean "International Player" in a lot of cases. But let me just illustrate the difficulties in trying to apply the word "Euro" and see who counts and who does not:
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I don't think it's complicated at all, not as a the soccer fan I am.

A Euro player largely means a player born in Europe and developed there before coming here as a pro. Where one might differentiate a bit is guys like Nocioni or Manu, born and raised in Argentina but then went to Spain/Italy for around 5 years.

An American born and raised/developed here who spent a year or two abroad obviously isn't a Euro. I mean, if a born and raised Euro came here and played for a couple years before going back, like Sergio Rodriguez, would anyone think he's an American player?

What we don't have in basketball which we do have in soccer is young Americans ages 14-16 signing in Euro academies and being largely developed overseas. Even then, they're considered Americans developing abroad.
 
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i'm personally not thinking "Euro" in the actual ethnicity of the player, more the style of play that is inherent in European basketball. Please correct me if i'm wrong here, but to me, Euro style means very skilled players, fundamentally sound, including big men who often have have sweet outside shots. But when i think about it, for lack of better word, the phrase that comes to mind often is "soft." From what i've seen, it's just not as physical of a game overseas, the guys do not put a lot of effort into bulking up. It's not necessarily a flaw, it goes back to the players being very skilled over there and not relying as much on physicality. But frequently these guys just can't hang with the more physical play over here, and that's why big men always worry me coming from overseas.

That said i have been a fan of Nikola Mirotec this season, BUT also strongly due to the fact that he provides energy and a stretch 4 presence off the bench.
 
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206Fan said:
Let's go back as far as 2008.

2008: 1.6 Danillo Gallinari
2009: 1.5 Ricky Rubio
2011: 1.5 Jonas Valancinus. 1.6 Jan Vesley 1.7 Bismack Biyombo
2013: 1.5 Alex Len
2014: 1.4 Dante Exum

So there aren't a bunch taken in the top 10 as of the last 7 years. Only real bust is Vesley. Biyombo is at least a role player.
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Exum is Australian and never played any form of pro basketball he was basically at the AIS which is a sporting facility where all the best athletes from Australia come together to train basically all the guys in the NBA from Australia right now (Bogut, Joe Ingles, Mills) were in it at some time.
 
Hansel

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notoriousBEN3 said:
A Euro player largely means a player born in Europe and developed there before coming here as a pro. Where one might differentiate a bit is guys like Nocioni or Manu, born and raised in Argentina but then went to Spain/Italy for around 5 years.
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Does Kobe count? He spent several years in Italy :D
(being serious, you can see Kobe started to play basketball in Europe)
 
Hansel

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notoriousBEN3 said:
i'm personally not thinking "Euro" in the actual ethnicity of the player, more the style of play that is inherent in European basketball. Please correct me if i'm wrong here, but to me, Euro style means very skilled players, fundamentally sound, including big men who often have have sweet outside shots. But when i think about it, for lack of better word, the phrase that comes to mind often is "soft." From what i've seen, it's just not as physical of a game overseas, the guys do not put a lot of effort into bulking up. It's not necessarily a flaw, it goes back to the players being very skilled over there and not relying as much on physicality. But frequently these guys just can't hang with the more physical play over here, and that's why big men always worry me coming from overseas.
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They're physical even in Europe, just in a different way.
Of course, there's no Dwight Howard here.
Anyway I think Gasol is physical, Splitter (Brazilian, but he grew up in Spain as a player) is physical, Varejao (same again) is physical, Pekovic is physical, Valanciunas is physical and so on.
Then there are less physical but skilled players like Ante Tomic (is he going to the Jazz?).
 
ockingsfan

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bajaden said:
For those interested in the Kings drafting Porzingis, here's a tweet from Crandell news 10 from an interview he did with Vlade.

Jim Crandell ‏@JimCrandell 6h6 hours ago
If you missed my segment last night, Vlade Divac said he doesn't think Kristap Porzingis is ready to play meaningful minutes in the NBA...
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True. He is not ready for major minutes.

But pre-draft talk, could be a smoke screen to devalue the player the team may really wants to slide to them.

That is why all the WCS talk worries me. Why talk up a player like WCS and have another team jump up to draft him ahead of you?

Could all the WCS talk be to overvalue him, so they hope someone else slide to them, like mudiay?
 
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WCS seems to be a fit for Karl, so the belief of national media, that WCS is Kings' guy, if available, is likely work of PDA - widespread rumors are his forte. Vlade is a rather straightforward guy: he will either tell you the whole truth or at least redacted version of it. I don't believe, he's learnt this fast to spread BS.

P.S. And WCS is good. Hopefully no one decides in the end, he's top5 good.
 
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Capt. Factorial

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ockingsfan said:
That is why all the WCS talk worries me. Why talk up a player like WCS and have another team jump up to draft him ahead of you?

Could all the WCS talk be to overvalue him, so they hope someone else slide to them, like mudiay?
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I don't see any indication that the Kings are talking up WCS. The fans are talking up WCS, and he's a natural fit who would be expected to be available at #6, and the national media and draft pundits are suggesting that he is that natural fit, but I don't see any indication that our FO is talking up WCS.
 
Kingster

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Gilles said:
WCS seems to be a fit for Karl, so the belief of national media, that WCS is Kings' guy, if available, is likely work of PDA - widespread rumors are his forte. Vlade is a rather straightforward guy: he will either tell you the whole truth or at least redacted version of it. I don't believe, he's learnt this fast to spread BS.

P.S. And WCS is good. Hopefully no one decides in the end, he's top5 good.
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Why? Has he made comments about WCS? I dunno. I haven't heard any comments, so I'd like to hear them if there are any. WCS is fast; Karl would seem to like that. Multi-skilled? No. Passer? Nope. If Karl really likes him and they do in fact pick him it will be interesting to get some insight from Karl on why exactly he thinks WCS is the right pick.
 
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Well, WCS also plays defense. Kinda half the game.
lol, since when are Karl's big men are multi-skilled or passers? You probably thought of Petrie.
 
Albatros

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The only thing I've seen vlade say is they have it "down to 5 or 6 guys" they like.

All bluster at this point anyway.

Still the structure of the front office is a worry. Pete hanging around because Karl wants him. If Pete is to leave Karl surely won't be particularly happy.

I see this all heading for a crash at some point. The cuz situation with Karl is up in the air too.

Vivek needs to get his house in order IMO.
 
Kingster

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Gilles said:
Well, WCS also plays defense. Kinda half the game.
lol, since when are Karl's big men are multi-skilled or passers? You probably thought of Petrie.
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Has Karl complained about our non defensive team? Has he singled out the need for a big defender? Where is this stuff coming from about WCS being a Karl type player?
 
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Gilles

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Well, the first thing he talked about in his end of the season interview (maybe it was after the home win over the Lakers) was this team needs deensive players.
 
ockingsfan

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Porizingis may become the best player of this draft. But it will take 3-4 years for him to develop.

I just can't see Vivek waiting on a player that long.

I think it will be one of Mudiay (if he slips), WCS, or Winslow.
 
Kingsroots

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I like the Divac hire but I wouldn't put it past this front office to draft a player like Frank Kaminsky, even at 6. Sauce is starting to grow on me but drafting him was a suprise and for some reason i'm getting a deja vu feeling this year. My personal opinion is that we should draft who's left of Mudiay, Winslow, Porzingis, and WCS. Preferably Mudiay or WCS.
 
Sac.1989

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When WCS gets taken by NY/Orlando we will have a shot at either Mudiay or Winslow. Porzingis will be there obviously too but shouldnt enter the conversation
 
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I feel like the dark horse guy is Trey Lyles...

I wouldn't be upset if we picked him, but I'd want to trade down before we do and pick up a few extra pieces.
 
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Stauskas was limited by Michigan State and Tennessee - not a good sign for immediate readiness, while Frank basically abused every athletic team in his way. I take Willie 10 times out of 10, but Frank will work as a rookie already, if his team can hide him defensively.
 
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Gilles

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DX already has Poor Zingis at #3. And there was a quote from one decently plugged in guy, that one team "thought of him as equal to Towns in talent, but didn't want him to bail, right when he gets very good, since he's so raw", and that kinda sounds like Wolves. :eek:
 
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ockingsfan said:
Vlade wouldn't waste his time going to Las Vegas to See porzimgis if he wasn't in the 5-6 player they were considering drafting at #6.
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He's doing due diligence. He's going to see for himself and not rely on breakdown tapes sitting in his office. Everything that has come out of the Kings FO is that they want to win now. Porzingas doesn't fit that does he.
 
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