2015 Offseason To-Dos

I think the rumored interest the Kings have in Lawson and the rumor that the Kimgs will listen to offers for Cuz are both good because it keeps potential trading partners guessing about what our off-season priorities are and makes the task of improving positions a little easier (or not as hard). The Kings need to look for availability of players that improve us and trades that can happen. You can't choose these until you find them. Upgrading through trade is particularly difficult particularly when you're determined to get XXX. Work early, work hard and work fast and be damned lucky.

Let's hope that one of the off season's first accomplished TO DO's is to get the Vivek/Divak/PDA/Bratz/Karl team clicking like a well oiled machine. I'm optimistic. And I wish them a fair modicum of luck to go with it. Victory is ours if we improve two starting positios and two bench positions, any two of either. The most efficient move would be getting an improved PF because that would also improve us at back-up center with JT. But any way from breakfast is OK with me.
 

Capt. Factorial

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I believe, NBA announced expectation of $67.1, $89 and $108 million caps for next 3 years. Playoffs might change the number, but I assime we won't hear updated number till July, 1st.
P.S. Interestingly the estimate for 17/18 drops down - tactical move for CBA negotiations?
You're shifted by a year here. The 17/18 cap is the $108M one; the 18/19 is the one that drops down. Since the players will be able to opt out of the CBA in the summer of 17/18, the $108M is the number that will apply that year.

The CBA negotiations are definitely hard to predict. I suppose that the NBA might be trying to pressure the player's union out of a lockout by putting a ton of money out there for the year that would be locked out. It might be kind of smart. The estimated cap goes down $8M the next year and then only incrementally increases by about $2M a year. If the players come to an agreement with the NBA, we can expect that most teams will spend to the cap in 17/18, and a lot of teams will remain above the cap for a lot of years to come. If the 17/18 season is lost, then teams won't be over the cap in 18/19 and will have to spend up to it. Not only do the players lose the biggest single-year pool of money ($3.25B), but they basically reset the salary cap and lose another $25oM the next year and possibly up to about $500M before the salary cap catches back up to that $108M level. By those numbers, a one-year lockout could cost the players $4B. It would be pretty tough to make that $4B up, so that will probably play in the negotiations.
 

bajaden

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You're shifted by a year here. The 17/18 cap is the $108M one; the 18/19 is the one that drops down. Since the players will be able to opt out of the CBA in the summer of 17/18, the $108M is the number that will apply that year.

The CBA negotiations are definitely hard to predict. I suppose that the NBA might be trying to pressure the player's union out of a lockout by putting a ton of money out there for the year that would be locked out. It might be kind of smart. The estimated cap goes down $8M the next year and then only incrementally increases by about $2M a year. If the players come to an agreement with the NBA, we can expect that most teams will spend to the cap in 17/18, and a lot of teams will remain above the cap for a lot of years to come. If the 17/18 season is lost, then teams won't be over the cap in 18/19 and will have to spend up to it. Not only do the players lose the biggest single-year pool of money ($3.25B), but they basically reset the salary cap and lose another $25oM the next year and possibly up to about $500M before the salary cap catches back up to that $108M level. By those numbers, a one-year lockout could cost the players $4B. It would be pretty tough to make that $4B up, so that will probably play in the negotiations.
You've struck on something that I've been wondering about. The rumor was that the players union would opt out of the current CBA in the 17/18 year, which made no sense to me since it was a year where the teams would have a ton of money to spend. So why would the union opt out of a potentially big payday? Just doesn't make any sense. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of negotiating going on between now and then.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You've struck on something that I've been wondering about. The rumor was that the players union would opt out of the current CBA in the 17/18 year, which made no sense to me since it was a year where the teams would have a ton of money to spend. So why would the union opt out of a potentially big payday? Just doesn't make any sense. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of negotiating going on between now and then.
I am steadily psssting anybody I can reach on that side -- the goose just laid a golden egg, now's not the time to kill it.
 
1. Draft Winslow
2. Trade Nik/landry/ 2nd for Gibson
3. Sign danny green (8-10)

Collison/McCallum
Green/Ben
Gay/Winslow
Gibson/JT
Cousins/

With that lineup we having great spacing as teams have to respect Gibson to 20ft. More importantly this team would be very good defensively.
 
1. Draft Winslow
2. Trade Nik/landry/ 2nd for Gibson
3. Sign danny green (8-10)

Collison/McCallum
Green/Ben
Gay/Winslow
Gibson/JT
Cousins/

With that lineup we having great spacing as teams have to respect Gibson to 20ft. More importantly this team would be very good defensively.
We need to be realistic. We're not getting Green for 8-10 mil...
 
The rumor was that the players union would opt out of the current CBA in the 17/18 year, which made no sense to me since it was a year where the teams would have a ton of money to spend. So why would the union opt out of a potentially big payday?
% of that big payday.

Before 2011, the players used to get 57% of BRI. It's now 51-50%. That's a ton of money.

The players seem to believe: (1) the owners got the current CBA because the finical crisis allowed them to argue to fans that the league was in a poor /mediocre spot financially and therefore the players needed to take a haircut like much of the general public (and with franchise value's exploding much of that argument will not be available in 2017); and (2) the didn't fare well at the bargaining table because they didn't fight hard enough on enough issues to bargain against (which is why the union is now taking very strong stances on most CBS issues).

I'm not taking a position on any of the arguments or saying they are good. But the players think the owners worked them on the percentage because the conditions provided them with leverage and the NBAPA didn't fight hard enough and wasn't prepared to play chicken with the entire season. They now believe the conditions, preparations, and resolve are such that they can reclaim some/much of the 7% they just lost. Granted, if they aren't playing games, that money is going to recouped. But the owners, just showed that giving up 25% of one season made them a ton of money on the remaining 5-6 years for the CBA. So, the players are coming for it.

Hopefully, everybody is reasonable and they strike a deal before we miss game or a lot of game. But the players are coming out swinging for that 7% and many are saving. The players are opting out. I think it's very safe to assume we'll miss games. In fact, when the hockey players got this aggressive, they missed a season.

I'm not saying the player or owners are right or wrong. I don't who "wins." But, IMO, the folks saying that a lockout is coming seem to be correct.
 
if there's another lock out, I would no longer support the NBA. I'm at the age where I'm taking priorities on what's really important in life, and I will no longer support childish antics like a lockout. I lost interest in the NFL for similar greed.....
 

CruzDude

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No one player is going to take the Kings to the next level. With the great coach that Karl is and with the success he had with the hand dealt in a limited 30 game season, I think the coach is the big piece here. We have a super star in Cuz, a star in Gay and maybe a star in waiting in Ben. I think we assume WCS in the draft as the ultimate 4-5 the Kings need along with JT and Rudy and Cuz plus maybe Moreland and you have 5 "bigs" for the 4 and 5 spots.

In the Karl scheme, Collison just may be the best choice for now along with 1 more year of Andre and McCallum (assuming he is not traded, which is likely) and the Nasty Gnat David Stockton. Ben and Nik at the 2 and Casspi, DWill replacement, and Rudy at the 3 is 13 slots on the roster. Add in a 3-pt shooter-scorer for the 2-3 slots and with Karl at the helm, the team just may go up into 45+ win air then making a change along the way, who knows.........?
 
We need to be realistic. We're not getting Green for 8-10 mil...
Dang what kind of contract do you think he is getting. I thought 8-10
We need to be realistic. We're not getting Green for 8-10 mil...
Dang how much do you think he will get in talking 8-10 mill per year. I see the spurs going after Aldridge so he can be had for that much as long as the Knicks don't off that much.

Also if we are going small and Karl insists on a nugget. I'd offer
Landry/ 6th pick/ 2nd rounder for Gallanri. At 6'10 him and Gay are interchangeable he finished strong to end the season 18ppg from March on. In a down year he still averaged 12ppg-3rpg shooting 45% from 2 and 35% from 3. He is a great shooter he has shot over 38% from with with 5+ attempts multiple times in his career. My he most shots he's taken in a season is 12.5. He us only 26 I'd definitely take him over faried/lawson if we take a nugget.

Also we would still be able to trade Nik/JT for Gibson.

Collison/mccallum
Ben/
Gay/cassipi
Gibson/Gallanri
Cousins/mid level FA big/Moreland
 
Dang what kind of contract do you think he is getting. I thought 8-10


Dang how much do you think he will get in talking 8-10 mill per year. I see the spurs going after Aldridge so he can be had for that much as long as the Knicks don't off that much.

Also if we are going small and Karl insists on a nugget. I'd offer
Landry/ 6th pick/ 2nd rounder for Gallanri. At 6'10 him and Gay are interchangeable he finished strong to end the season 18ppg from March on. In a down year he still averaged 12ppg-3rpg shooting 45% from 2 and 35% from 3. He is a great shooter he has shot over 38% from with with 5+ attempts multiple times in his career. My he most shots he's taken in a season is 12.5. He us only 26 I'd definitely take him over faried/lawson if we take a nugget.

Also we would still be able to trade Nik/JT for Gibson.

Collison/mccallum
Ben/
Gay/cassipi
Gibson/Gallanri
Cousins/mid level FA big/Moreland
Well considering the cap is going to jump by quite a bit in a year, $8-10 mil is not likely.

An $8 mil/year contract would be the same as a $6 mil/year contract in 2016/2017. A $10 mil/ year contract would be the same as a $7.5 mil/year contract in 2016/2017. An $8 mil/year contract would be the same as a $6.2 mil/year contract in 2017/2018. A $10 mil/year contract would be the same as a $6.2 mil/year in 2017/2018.

Those are all bargain deals for a player like Green.
 
Let's say Karl/PDA force the hand and we end up with a nugget player. Whose your pick Lawson or Faried?
I'd lean towards Faried giving up 6pick/Landry/Nik. This would give us a front court of DMC/Faried/JT a good one. Also if my calculations are correct and the cap goes to the rumored 66.5 we would have 10million available in FA to add shooters. Another reason is Faried isn't ball dominate like lawson thus not getting in the way I could see him fitting nicely with Gay/cousins/ and Collison. I'd only do the trade though with us keeping JT for defensive reasons.
 
No one player is going to take the Kings to the next level. With the great coach that Karl is and with the success he had with the hand dealt in a limited 30 game season, I think the coach is the big piece here. We have a super star in Cuz, a star in Gay and maybe a star in waiting in Ben. I think we assume WCS in the draft as the ultimate 4-5 the Kings need along with JT and Rudy and Cuz plus maybe Moreland and you have 5 "bigs" for the 4 and 5 spots.

In the Karl scheme, Collison just may be the best choice for now along with 1 more year of Andre and McCallum (assuming he is not traded, which is likely) and the Nasty Gnat David Stockton. Ben and Nik at the 2 and Casspi, DWill replacement, and Rudy at the 3 is 13 slots on the roster. Add in a 3-pt shooter-scorer for the 2-3 slots and with Karl at the helm, the team just may go up into 45+ win air then making a change along the way, who knows.........?
I agree. I usually don't participate in the trade scenarios because most are unrealistic. It's fun to speculate, but not usually realistic.

For all of our front office talk about emulating the Spurs and Warriors, I hope that the most crucial part of those teams success is not lost. Their team is built by the draft and stability. Stability in the core of players. With the Spurs, absolute stability from players through front office.

No one player in free agency is going to make us a contender. A transformative player will not choose this organization in free agency. Any substanative free agent we could attract will deplete our salary cap and leave us with no money to effectively fill out the roster.

Regardless of how you feel about our SG, spending another off season focused on that position is absolute craziness. Stabilize your team. The starting 5 from last year proved to be effective when all healthy. It's ok to be a vet team but young at one position if the players are improving at that position. Fill in the holes rather than gut your core.

I personally don't want to see another complete roster overhaul this offseason right on the heels of 2 roster overhauls and 3 coaches in the last 2 years. I want to see smart calculated moves. Trade the draft pick if you must, but not to get another SG.
 
Draft and start WCS at the 4.
Trade Landry or Thompson IF possible otherwise they'll back up the 4/5 with Moreland riding the pine and WCS playing some 5.
Sign dwill as an unrestricted free agent.
Plus, my dream: sign Jamal Crawford and play him at the 1 close to as much as the 2, leaving some minutes for nik and ray
 
I think first order of business should be getting those, who stays, healthy:
.964PPP 1748 poss. - Curry-Thompson-Barnes-Green-Bogut
.962PPP 583poss. - Parker-Green-Leonard-Splitter-Duncan
.992PPP 777poss. - MCW-Middleton-Antetokounmpo-Ilyasova-Pachulia
1.046PPP 967poss. - Conley-Allen-Lee-Randolph-Gasol
1.026PPP 1267poss. - Wall-Beal-Pierce-Hilario-Gortat
1.034PPP 1881poss. - Teague-Carroll-Korver-Millsap-Horford
.931PPP 842poss. - Collison-Mclemore-Gay-JT-DMC

That's, how starting lineups of 6 best NBA defenses and one unidentified team did in PPP against.
Which brings my point: leaving aside offense (and this lineup was scoring at 112PPP rate), maybe we ease up on suggesting Darren's or JT's replacements.
Edit: remember post-ASG Utah with devastating defense?
.934PPP 273poss. - Exum-Hood-Hayward-Favors-Gobert
I'm sure, everybody believes Jazz will return with the same level of defense, but Kings starting lineup was a fluke (small sample size and all), especially since it was against elite SOS.
 
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I think first order of business should be getting those, who stays, healthy:
.964PPP 1748 poss. - Curry-Thompson-Barnes-Green-Bogut
.962PPP 583poss. - Parker-Green-Leonard-Splitter-Duncan
.992PPP 777poss. - MCW-Middleton-Antetokounmpo-Ilyasova-Pachulia
1.046PPP 967poss. - Conley-Allen-Lee-Randolph-Gasol
1.026PPP 1267poss. - Wall-Beal-Pierce-Hilario-Gortat
1.034PPP 1881poss. - Teague-Carroll-Korver-Millsap-Horford
.931PPP 842poss. - Collison-Mclemore-Gay-JT-DMC

That's, how starting lineups of 6 best NBA defenses and one unidentified team did in PPP against.
Which brings my point: leaving aside offense (and this lineup was scoring at 112PPP rate), maybe we ease up on suggesting Darren's or JT's replacements.
Problem is, that every PF out of these lineups has something he does well on top of playing defense. But defense (and only man to man defense) is JT's only valuable strength. JT is just so replaceable. Bring in guys like Zeller, Plumlee, Sullinger and this team still takes a step forward. And those guys aren't even in the top 10 to 15 at their position. I like JT, cause he is a hardworking guy, but watching him having all the physical tools to be a really good PF and still playing like he does, is painful.
When you think about it, there are 3rd bigs on these teams mentioned above, I would swap in a heartbeat for JT.
 
Read again - that lineup was still scoring with the best of them over that big a number of possessions. Kings 3 leading scorers average above 60 ppg on the season. Obviously it is somewhat inflated by injuries and need to take a bigger role, when one of the 3 is missing, but you can reasonably expect them to average above 55 points, when they play together. So what would you like him to do on top of defense and rebounding? Score more? Kings don't need him. Create for others? He doesn't control the ball nearly enough. Plus he keeps TOs low. He doesn't shoot, right? Ok, legitimate argument. Ilyasova and Millsap are better shooters by a big margin, Green is a better shooter by a margin, Nene and Zach are similar and Splitter has no range at all, so even though he provides marginal spacing, it's still there. Finally, maybe, you want him to chase more steals and blocks, when he was already a part of elite defensive unit?
Kings need another solid big. Given that JT works well with DMC and is ok as a backup C, preferably Kings should get a low usage defensive-minded starter like Taj Gibson (a lot of value can be covered by removing protection from already owed pick, that Kings are likely to lose next year anyway) or Amir Johnson (is a reasonable target as an FA, if you start recruiting him on July, 1st) to start alongside Boogie.

Not sure, if anyone is following Hornets, but Noah Vonleh got some minutes late in the season. He looked ok inside and pretty good defending perimeter, but also being overaggressive and reacting slow from time to time; offense was even more of a mixed bag. That's how rookie bigmen look in the NBA after just 1 year in college. That's why only WCS has any chance to produce right from the start, and even with him expecting more than a 20 mpg rotation player is pushing it for PO contender.

As for Celtics Kelly Olynyk is actually their best big defensively and offensively, and it's not really close!
Going through Nets roster Teletovic would be an excellent fit, Plumlee is measuring towards the bottom on D - either Worlds or getting starting spot got to him.
 
Read again - that lineup was still scoring with the best of them over that big a number of possessions. Kings 3 leading scorers average above 60 ppg on the season. Obviously it is somewhat inflated by injuries and need to take a bigger role, when one of the 3 is missing, but you can reasonably expect them to average above 55 points, when they play together. So what would you like him to do on top of defense and rebounding? Score more? Kings don't need him. Create for others? He doesn't control the ball nearly enough. Plus he keeps TOs low. He doesn't shoot, right? Ok, legitimate argument. Ilyasova and Millsap are better shooters by a big margin, Green is a better shooter by a margin, Nene and Zach are similar and Splitter has no range at all, so even though he provides marginal spacing, it's still there. Finally, maybe, you want him to chase more steals and blocks, when he was already a part of elite defensive unit?
Kings need another solid big. Given that JT works well with DMC and is ok as a backup C, preferably Kings should get a low usage defensive-minded starter like Taj Gibson (a lot of value can be covered by removing protection from already owed pick, that Kings are likely to lose next year anyway) or Amir Johnson (is a reasonable target as an FA, if you start recruiting him on July, 1st) to start alongside Boogie.

Not sure, if anyone is following Hornets, but Noah Vonleh got some minutes late in the season. He looked ok inside and pretty good defending perimeter, but also being overaggressive and reacting slow from time to time; offense was even more of a mixed bag. That's how rookie bigmen look in the NBA after just 1 year in college. That's why only WCS has any chance to produce right from the start, and even with him expecting more than a 20 mpg rotation player is pushing it for PO contender.

As for Celtics Kelly Olynyk is actually their best big defensively and offensively, and it's not really close!
Going through Nets roster Teletovic would be an excellent fit, Plumlee is measuring towards the bottom on D - either Worlds or getting starting spot got to him.
What I want JT to do?
Rebound without fouling by not establishing position early and pushing guys in the back. Defend the pick&roll by rotating properly and cut off penetration by going straight up.
Being able to catch passes in the paint and finish through contact. Being able to set good screens and either pop out for a jumper or roll to the rim hard and being aggressive. Use his great physical tools for running the floor hard.
Thats basic big man stuff and JT is simply not good at it. I couldn't care less, if he blocks shots or gets steals, when he would be able to do those things. And to be honest making those plays has a lot to do with effort, reading the game and paying attention - this is something a veteran must be able to do.

Yes JT was part of the lineup you mention, but as sweet as the stats look, it's very easy to tell that JT is not even a mediocre PF just by watching the game. Stats don't tell the whole story and outside of man defense JT's impact on the game is just too small.

Zach is not even on the same planet like JT, when it comes to all those little, valuable plays. Green is a top candidate for DPOY and rightfully so and is a better rebounder, a fierce competitor and a floorspacer. Nene, when healthy, is a force on offense and has so many moves in his arsenal, that comparing him to JT, who has a jumper and a halfhook, is insane. Splitter has great value as a passer and uses his length pretty well. Millsap is a better defender and a floor spacer.
Come on now - I understand, that JT is well liked here, but he is so far off those guys you mention....

Kings need a PF, who can make plays on defense and offense. Part of our struggles is, that we rely too heavily on DMC on offense and defense. We are lucky, that we have a player, that's able to carry teammates like JT. But this doesn't mean, we shouldn't try to improve our biggest position of need - and thats the starting PF.
JT is a serviceable third big for the remainder of his contract, but to be honest: when you take a close look at guys like Seraphin, Speights or Koufos he is not even a very strong third big.
 
What I want JT to do?
Rebound without fouling by not establishing position early and pushing guys in the back. Defend the pick&roll by rotating properly and cut off penetration by going straight up.
Being able to catch passes in the paint and finish through contact. Being able to set good screens and either pop out for a jumper or roll to the rim hard and being aggressive. Use his great physical tools for running the floor hard.
Thats basic big man stuff and JT is simply not good at it. I couldn't care less, if he blocks shots or gets steals, when he would be able to do those things. And to be honest making those plays has a lot to do with effort, reading the game and paying attention - this is something a veteran must be able to do.

Yes JT was part of the lineup you mention, but as sweet as the stats look, it's very easy to tell that JT is not even a mediocre PF just by watching the game. Stats don't tell the whole story and outside of man defense JT's impact on the game is just too small.

Zach is not even on the same planet like JT, when it comes to all those little, valuable plays. Green is a top candidate for DPOY and rightfully so and is a better rebounder, a fierce competitor and a floorspacer. Nene, when healthy, is a force on offense and has so many moves in his arsenal, that comparing him to JT, who has a jumper and a halfhook, is insane. Splitter has great value as a passer and uses his length pretty well. Millsap is a better defender and a floor spacer.
Come on now - I understand, that JT is well liked here, but he is so far off those guys you mention....

Kings need a PF, who can make plays on defense and offense. Part of our struggles is, that we rely too heavily on DMC on offense and defense. We are lucky, that we have a player, that's able to carry teammates like JT. But this doesn't mean, we shouldn't try to improve our biggest position of need - and thats the starting PF.
JT is a serviceable third big for the remainder of his contract, but to be honest: when you take a close look at guys like Seraphin, Speights or Koufos he is not even a very strong third big.
When you mention all the things a good PF should do, you list the reasons that lead me to believe that JT is an adequate journeyman PF. It would be great to hAve a better PF and let JT perform as backup C. You say JT has too little impact on the outcome (positive) of the game. True, but one can say Cuz has too little impact on the outcome (positive) of the game. JT is not great but he is not the reason we have such a poor record. Just thought you should hear a different opinion.
 
What I want JT to do?
Rebound without fouling by not establishing position early and pushing guys in the back. Defend the pick&roll by rotating properly and cut off penetration by going straight up.
Being able to catch passes in the paint and finish through contact. Being able to set good screens and either pop out for a jumper or roll to the rim hard and being aggressive. Use his great physical tools for running the floor hard.
Thats basic big man stuff and JT is simply not good at it. I couldn't care less, if he blocks shots or gets steals, when he would be able to do those things. And to be honest making those plays has a lot to do with effort, reading the game and paying attention - this is something a veteran must be able to do.

Yes JT was part of the lineup you mention, but as sweet as the stats look, it's very easy to tell that JT is not even a mediocre PF just by watching the game. Stats don't tell the whole story and outside of man defense JT's impact on the game is just too small.

Zach is not even on the same planet like JT, when it comes to all those little, valuable plays. Green is a top candidate for DPOY and rightfully so and is a better rebounder, a fierce competitor and a floorspacer. Nene, when healthy, is a force on offense and has so many moves in his arsenal, that comparing him to JT, who has a jumper and a halfhook, is insane. Splitter has great value as a passer and uses his length pretty well. Millsap is a better defender and a floor spacer.
Come on now - I understand, that JT is well liked here, but he is so far off those guys you mention....

Kings need a PF, who can make plays on defense and offense. Part of our struggles is, that we rely too heavily on DMC on offense and defense. We are lucky, that we have a player, that's able to carry teammates like JT. But this doesn't mean, we shouldn't try to improve our biggest position of need - and thats the starting PF.
JT is a serviceable third big for the remainder of his contract, but to be honest: when you take a close look at guys like Seraphin, Speights or Koufos he is not even a very strong third big.
If you noticed, I only mentioned Zach as far as shooting is concerned. Zach is arguably #1b option for Grizzlies, so for his overall impact he should be compared with Boogie or Rudy.
No argument on Green as an elite defender. Big argument on him being a better rebounder: equal DReb% individually and team-wise, JT is ahead in OReb% and Kings get a bit more ORebs with him on the floor. No doubt about a floorspacer, and I'm not sure, how you measure fierceness. When he had to fight star PFs of the West early in the season, JT was fierce enough. Final note: Green will cost $15 million, starting next season, JT will be at $6.4 million.
Nene is declining as a rebounder since 11/12 season, though mainly due to allowing guards and wings to pick up defensive rebounds (team defensive rebounding is great), ORebs started declining, while he was still in Denver, his scoring efficiency dipped with same progression, mainly due to the fact, that he stopped getting to FT line. Still an excellent defender. Will make $13 million.
Millsap is not a better defender, just different, but no argument on a much better floorspacer. Will likely make $13-15 million next season.
3 benchers, you mentioned are not significantly better overall players, than JT - it depends on team needs/roles.

I was sucked into long debate, despite trying to make a simple point: Kings have very limited resources and flexibility this summer, and they cannot afford to trade JT - not because he's a core player, but because Kings don't have assets (picks, contracts, they are willing to part with, or cap space) to find someone as good to replace his minutes/production. Same goes with upgrading PG spot - lateral improvement, if any, that will burn a lot of resources.
 
IIRC, look at the stats and it was clear JT was the weak link in that starting roster.
An upgrade MUST happen there to be competitive over the season.
JT is fine as a 3rd big - but not as the starting PF, leaned on every night with big minutes.

Unfortunately, that's the same conclusion about BMac - he'd be great as a secondary SG, someone we didn't need to rely on for big minutes against tough competition.

I don't see how it's likely to upgrade both the SG and PF positions with the (relatively) little $$ they have under the cap next year, but they need to try.
Our guard roster is the worst one in the league (among competitive teams), and JT has more than had his chance to prove his (in)effectiveness.
You go limping in to next year without either of those glaring weaknesses shored up, and... well... you're not putting the team in a position to succeed.

Here's a possible solution, though:
If the Kings start out gangbusters again next year, become the NBA underdog (like the narrative was starting to change, until Vivek deliberately blew it up), and they may just find that a solid veteran fix for their SG and/or PF problems may just magically come here and fill the holes to become a truly competitive roster.
It happens every year. And all the Kings need is to fix ONE of the holes (I suggest SG, since our guard-play is crippling us overall), and then if they start winning, the PF hole may well fix itself by mid-season with a solid vet trade.
 
Kings need to add at least one competent PF or PF/C and one SG, before season starts: no way any of Landry, Reggie, Hollins or Williams are good enough to be a 4th big, let alone start, and while Kings might get by with Mclemore, it won't help, that Stauskas/Miller or Stauskas/McCallum will be a very weak bench backcourt defensively.
 
IIRC, look at the stats and it was clear JT was the weak link in that starting roster.
An upgrade MUST happen there to be competitive over the season.
JT is fine as a 3rd big - but not as the starting PF, leaned on every night with big minutes.

Unfortunately, that's the same conclusion about BMac - he'd be great as a secondary SG, someone we didn't need to rely on for big minutes against tough competition.

I don't see how it's likely to upgrade both the SG and PF positions with the (relatively) little $$ they have under the cap next year, but they need to try.
Our guard roster is the worst one in the league (among competitive teams), and JT has more than had his chance to prove his (in)effectiveness.
You go limping in to next year without either of those glaring weaknesses shored up, and... well... you're not putting the team in a position to succeed.

Here's a possible solution, though:
If the Kings start out gangbusters again next year, become the NBA underdog (like the narrative was starting to change, until Vivek deliberately blew it up), and they may just find that a solid veteran fix for their SG and/or PF problems may just magically come here and fill the holes to become a truly competitive roster.
It happens every year. And all the Kings need is to fix ONE of the holes (I suggest SG, since our guard-play is crippling us overall), and then if they start winning, the PF hole may well fix itself by mid-season with a solid vet trade.
JT's stats absolutely sucked under mike malone early on in the season but they were winning.. why oh why?
 
I think the FO will be aggressive in trying to put some solid veteran pieces around DMC and Rudy gay this summer.

If the kings don't luck out and get a top 3 pick to get either towns, okafor or Russell, I can definitely see them trading a #6-8 pick for veteran help.

I think that George Karl will be pushing hard to get some of his horses from Denver.

If the kings land #6-8 in the draft look for them to try and deal for ty Lawson and Kenneth faried.

Kings trade to Denver, nik stauskas, #6 pick, darren collison and carl landry for ty Lawson and Kenneth faried and second round pick in 2015 draft.

Kings would then sign Jared dudley as back up swing man and 3 point shooter.

Why kings do it? At #6-8 , the draft is a crap shoot. Kings need to get some pieces around DMC now and not risk losing him in the next few years. Lawson and faried give the kings two solid role players to help DMC and Rudy gay make a playoff run.

Why Denver does it? They are in rebuild mode and want young draft picks. The rumor has been they wanted to dump farieds contract right after they signed him. They would have to include him in the Lawson trade to move his contract.

The kings new line up:

Power forward: Kenneth Faried / Moreland
Small forward: Rudy Gay / Casspi
Center: demarcus cousins / JT / Sim
Shooting guard: Ben mcClemore / dudley/ McCallum
Poingood guard: ty Lawson/ miller/ Stockton

I think this line up would be good for 45+ wins and a #7-8 playoff spot
 
I think the FO will be aggressive in trying to put some solid veteran pieces around DMC and Rudy gay this summer.

If the kings don't luck out and get a top 3 pick to get either towns, okafor or Russell, I can definitely see them trading a #6-8 pick for veteran help.

I think that George Karl will be pushing hard to get some of his horses from Denver.

If the kings land #6-8 in the draft look for them to try and deal for ty Lawson and Kenneth faried.

Kings trade to Denver, nik stauskas, #6 pick, darren collison and carl landry for ty Lawson and Kenneth faried and second round pick in 2015 draft.

Kings would then sign Jared dudley as back up swing man and 3 point shooter.

Why kings do it? At #6-8 , the draft is a crap shoot. Kings need to get some pieces around DMC now and not risk losing him in the next few years. Lawson and faried give the kings two solid role players to help DMC and Rudy gay make a playoff run.

Why Denver does it? They are in rebuild mode and want young draft picks. The rumor has been they wanted to dump farieds contract right after they signed him. They would have to include him in the Lawson trade to move his contract.

The kings new line up:

Power forward: Kenneth Faried / Moreland
Small forward: Rudy Gay / Casspi
Center: demarcus cousins / JT / Sim
Shooting guard: Ben mcClemore / dudley/ McCallum
Poingood guard: ty Lawson/ miller/ Stockton

I think this line up would be good for 45+ wins and a #7-8 playoff spot
I love this trade but it think they'ed make us switch JT for Landry. Also with the bucks success i don't see him leaving them for id I'd go for Wes Johnson though for 3million.
 
If you noticed, I only mentioned Zach as far as shooting is concerned. Zach is arguably #1b option for Grizzlies, so for his overall impact he should be compared with Boogie or Rudy.
No argument on Green as an elite defender. Big argument on him being a better rebounder: equal DReb% individually and team-wise, JT is ahead in OReb% and Kings get a bit more ORebs with him on the floor. No doubt about a floorspacer, and I'm not sure, how you measure fierceness. When he had to fight star PFs of the West early in the season, JT was fierce enough. Final note: Green will cost $15 million, starting next season, JT will be at $6.4 million.
Nene is declining as a rebounder since 11/12 season, though mainly due to allowing guards and wings to pick up defensive rebounds (team defensive rebounding is great), ORebs started declining, while he was still in Denver, his scoring efficiency dipped with same progression, mainly due to the fact, that he stopped getting to FT line. Still an excellent defender. Will make $13 million.
Millsap is not a better defender, just different, but no argument on a much better floorspacer. Will likely make $13-15 million next season.
3 benchers, you mentioned are not significantly better overall players, than JT - it depends on team needs/roles.

I was sucked into long debate, despite trying to make a simple point: Kings have very limited resources and flexibility this summer, and they cannot afford to trade JT - not because he's a core player, but because Kings don't have assets (picks, contracts, they are willing to part with, or cap space) to find someone as good to replace his minutes/production. Same goes with upgrading PG spot - lateral improvement, if any, that will burn a lot of resources.
I don't have any interest in a long debate too, cause we basically agree on how the Kings should handle JT. Of course I would welcome a trade, if we can get an upgrade, but I agree, that this will be difficult. Not because we couldn't find someone better, but because no team would make a trade for JT and give us an upgrade at PF back. His value is just too low.
We highly disagree on the assessment of the players you mention and even the benchers. But my opinions are not based on statistics. I just dislike stats, cause in the NBA there are so many different statistics, that you can back any argument with some kind of stat. I'm approaching the topic from the humble perspective of a fan, watching close to 2-3 NBA games a day via League Pass. And based on my view of the actual plays on the court, JT is right at the bottom of the starting PF's in the league and guys like Speights, Seraphin or Koufos are significantly better overall players.
It was most obvious, when Karl decided to move JT to the bench as the backup center.
From the eyetest Seraphin comes into the game and makes an impact most of the time. He is able to set good screens, he clogs the lane on defense, he goes after loseballs, he can hit midrange shots and has a beautiful fundamental post game.
JT on the other hand comes into the game and just hasn't the tools to make a similar impact.
But let me say, that this is not his fault. He certainly has all the tools to be a very solid NBA PF. He just hasn't learned how to use these tools. And I blame the Kings for his lack of development.
 
Sorry, but "2-3 NBA games a day via League Pass" is like 3-4 hours watching basketball every day. Really?
Seraphin turned the ball over at twice the rate of JT due to losing the ball and offensive fouls, so I would argue, that his "beautiful fundamental post game" is not that effective. JT "can hit midrange shots" as well. JT has mediocre steal rate, but it's still twice that of Seraphin's. JT was knocking almost 5% off of elite bigs' FG% and his "at the rim %" was around 47, while Malone was here, Seraphin is battling with benchers.

I think the FO will be aggressive in trying to put some solid veteran pieces around DMC and Rudy gay this summer.

If the kings don't luck out and get a top 3 pick to get either towns, okafor or Russell, I can definitely see them trading a #6-8 pick for veteran help.

I think that George Karl will be pushing hard to get some of his horses from Denver.

If the kings land #6-8 in the draft look for them to try and deal for ty Lawson and Kenneth faried.

Kings trade to Denver, nik stauskas, #6 pick, darren collison and carl landry for ty Lawson and Kenneth faried and second round pick in 2015 draft.

Kings would then sign Jared dudley as back up swing man and 3 point shooter.

Why kings do it? At #6-8 , the draft is a crap shoot. Kings need to get some pieces around DMC now and not risk losing him in the next few years. Lawson and faried give the kings two solid role players to help DMC and Rudy gay make a playoff run.

Why Denver does it? They are in rebuild mode and want young draft picks. The rumor has been they wanted to dump farieds contract right after they signed him. They would have to include him in the Lawson trade to move his contract.

The kings new line up:

Power forward: Kenneth Faried / Moreland
Small forward: Rudy Gay / Casspi
Center: demarcus cousins / JT / Sim
Shooting guard: Ben mcClemore / dudley/ McCallum
Poingood guard: ty Lawson/ miller/ Stockton

I think this line up would be good for 45+ wins and a #7-8 playoff spot
Dudley is SF/PF at this point, and it would be pretty funny watching him trying to chase guards around the perimeter. You are relying on a low-level semi-rookie to be your 4th big man. Team you constructed is bad defensively, and Boogie would average 6PFs per 36 minutes, trying to cover for everyone. Likely enough offensive talent to get to .500, but this team is not getting to POs in the West.
Money-wise the only way your scenario works is if Dudley signs for MLE and both Casspi and Miller sign for minimum. Given that he has ETO, him being an FA means Dudley expects to get more than $4,250,000 he has guaranteed next year. Will $5.8 million from lottery team in the West be high enough? 'Dre have high enough vet min, that he might settle for it, if he plays next year. I don't see Casspi returning for $1 million.