bye bye Mully!

[jdbraver]

Tell

And yet he gave Landry 26 million, bidding against nobody.

tell me one GM that has never missed. It's not like Landry is a Kenny Thomas size contract. We will have plenty of space next year so stop w Landry. At least acknowledge collison casspi and rudy. And have u ever thought it was Malone that pushed Landry....that was his guy. Why do I never hear Malone's name linked to landrys contract

 

[jcwkings]

My reaction

 

[rhythmless]

Tell

tell me one GM that has never missed. It's not like Landry is a Kenny Thomas size contract. We will have plenty of space next year so stop w Landry. At least acknowledge collison casspi and rudy. And have u ever thought it was Malone that pushed Landry....that was his guy. Why do I never hear Malone's name linked to landrys contract

We think Collison, Casspi, Rudy are good moves. But PDA/Vivek has spent a lot of money to win less than the Maloofs did at half the cost. We're also paying 3 coaches simultaneously. There aren't a lot of worse GMs in the league right now.

LOL. You don't hear Malone's name linked to Landry's CONTRACT because Malone isn't in charge of offering sums of money. Malone didn't tell PDA to massively overpay for Landry. I'm fine with Landry as a big off the bench. I'm very not fine with offering him a ridiculous contract with no other suitors involved.

 

[MizzouKing]

We think Collison, Casspi, Rudy are good moves. But PDA/Vivek has spent a lot of money to win less than the Maloofs did at half the cost. We're also paying 3 coaches simultaneously. There aren't a lot of worse GMs in the league right now.

I've often thought about this too. In fairness to Pete, I suspect some of this is the cogs of the machine chewing him up and spitting him out. His brainiac "smarter than you" reputation just acts as a license to pummel, and it isn't hard. Vivec doesn't care how he makes Pete look, we don't have any sympathy for him, and he doesn't appear to have the spine or character to compensate for his inexperience. So he made allegiances with the wrong people to garner influence, staked out unfortunate positions in an effort to be/look impactful, and has ended up hanging in the breeze.

With some time to reflect, I think he'll do much better the second time around if he gets another chance.

 

[Prince_XY]

Tell

tell me one GM that has never missed. It's not like Landry is a Kenny Thomas size contract. We will have plenty of space next year so stop w Landry. At least acknowledge collison casspi and rudy. And have u ever thought it was Malone that pushed Landry....that was his guy. Why do I never hear Malone's name linked to landrys contract

lol.

I agree.

Why did we not hear Malone's name linked to Landry's contract when we all know Landry was his guy?

 

[Prince_XY]

This 1/3 a season causes George Karl to realize that physically coaching an entire NBA season is just going to be too much anymore, and with a nice cushy GM job opening up right above him, he takes the promotion and enjoys watching the season from a nice cushy office chair. Meanwhile Boogie, tired of the constant ridiculous coaching chaos says that's it, he doesn't want to have to start over again with yet another new coach, bring back Malone or I'm walking. And Vivek, who has canned Mullin and PDA after feeling woefully misled on them on the Malone thing, and the resulting months of heat, agrees to Cuz's demands figuring at least this way he doesn't have to pay yet another coach simultaneously to the previously fired ones.

There ya go. There's your scenario.


Don't challenge my ingenuity.

Not so fast Brick. That scenario is very unlikely.

You are forgetting it is now well-known that Malone was not so high on Cousins. Malone did not believe on Cousin's ability to lead this team to glory. How can anything justify that stupidity of doubting Cousins' ability? And Vivek is wise enough to see the stupidity in Malone's mentality too. Vivek for sure will not be in favor of bringing back a former employee who is that stupid.

Remember this thread?

http://kingsfans.com/threads/michael-malone-allegedly-opposed-extensions-for-demarcus-cousins-rudy-gay.58737/

Do you really think Cousins will care about Malone coming back when he learned now that Malone was reluctant to get him and Gay signed for the extension for whatever stupid reason? That I think is worse than stabbing Cousins in his back which Cousins will not appreciate. He (and Gay) would not forget that double-face mask Malone wore while coaching them, especially if what some fans think is true that Cousins never forgets. Or at least, if it happened to me, I know I wouldn't forget that - unless Cousins is really crazy to think that Malone is his biological father or sort of.

 

[VF21]

Not so fast Brick. That scenario is very unlikely.

You are forgetting it is now well-known that Malone was not so high on Cousins. Malone did not believe on Cousin's ability to lead this team to glory. How can anything justify that stupidity of doubting Cousins' ability? And Vivek is wise enough to see the stupidity in Malone's mentality too. Vivek for sure will not be in favor of bringing back a former employee who is that stupid.

Remember this thread?

http://kingsfans.com/threads/michael-malone-allegedly-opposed-extensions-for-demarcus-cousins-rudy-gay.58737/

Do you really think Cousins will care about Malone coming back when he learned now that Malone was reluctant to get him and Gay signed for the extension for whatever stupid reason? That I think is worse than stabbing Cousins in his back which Cousins will not appreciate. He (and Gay) won't forget that double-face of Malone for sure if what some fans think are true that Cousins never forgets. Or at least, if it happened to me, I know I wouldn't forget that - unless Cousins is really crazy to think that Malone is his biological father or sort of.

??????

Brick's post was a humorous response to my quote, which is probably why he quoted it AND used the emoticon.

 

[Prince_XY]

??????

Brick's post was a humorous response to my quote, which is probably why he quoted it AND used the emoticon.

OK my bad. Let me fix my post.

There. I edited my post and used the same emoticon too.

 

[Bricklayer]

Not so fast Brick. That scenario is very unlikely.

You are forgetting it is now well-known that Malone was not so high on Cousins. Malone did not believe on Cousin's ability to lead this team to glory.

STOP being an idiot.

 

[The Hammer]

Not so fast Brick. That scenario is very unlikely.

You are forgetting it is now well-known that Malone was not so high on Cousins. Malone did not believe on Cousin's ability to lead this team to glory.

Utter and complete horsecrap... that was a lie put out bye PDA/our front office as a way to justify the Malone firing. This is another reason I can't stand that little rat, and I gave him PLENTY of chances.

And to anyone saying "hey you can't prove he leaked it'' or any other crap like that... you are incredibly naive. Of course you can't prove it, which is exactly why it came out the way it did. It's called maintaining plausible deniability. But the gross transgression, or at least the very bad manners that leads to a fractured front office and selfishness... is that even when this utter nonsense came out, PDA did NOT take the time to refute it.

 

[Prince_XY]

PDA did NOT take the time to refute it.

Nor did Malone who is primarily on the bad side of this controversy.

I wonder why it has not been refuted by either party upto now.

Or maybe they think it does not really matter and they already moved on and wants everyone to move on too for the good of the franchise?

 

[The Hammer]

Nor did Malone who is primarily on the bad side of this controversy.

I wonder why it has not been refuted by either party upto now.

Or maybe they think it does not really matter and they already moved on and wants everyone to move on too for the good of the franchise?

It is SO far beneath Malone to even entertain that notion with a response. Remember, he actually has class.

This particular move by PDA was basically my last straw for him. Once that crap came out, I knew this guy was bush league, and I hope he never works in the league again. And I'm dead serious about that.

 

[Bricklayer]

It was never denied because there was nothing to deny.

The key to being a good liar is that you DON'T lie, not 100%. You shade truth. You selectively pass along parsed information. Its harder to catch you that way, harder to check on.

In this case, here is the percentage interpretation: Mike Malone, newly hired by Vivek, and having of course not yet coached DeMarcus Cousins, possibly not even having met him yet, is asked "should we just give Cuz a max extension now or wait". Mike Malone says "well, I've never even coached him 1 game and my philosophy is that I think you make guys earn that type of contract."

Fast forward a year and a half, PDA done ****ed up and is in the process of becoming a roast rat, and all of a sudden this interpretation magically gets leaked to refute the notion that Cuz and Malone had a special bond that should not have been trifled with: "Actually Mike Malone was against offering an extension to DeMarcus Cousins".

Same set of facts. Except the one released leaves out all timing, context, or anything else that makes it a reasonable stance back when it happened, and instead turns into what is essentially a lie being used to refute the irrefutable bond that Cousins and Malone had formed over the last year and a half, and instead suggest that Malone wanted Cousins gone. How artful. How political. How B.S.. How Gerbil.

 

[Prince_XY]

It is SO far beneath Malone to even entertain that notion with a response. Remember, he actually has class.

So, can we not think PDA was also having classy move in this case for not entertaining or refuting the controversy surrounding the leakage?

I mean, PDA probably thought he did not have to answer who leaked this to the media or farther discuss this to the media. Discussing and explaining to the media some more might just open a long diry list of Malone's transgressions. That will render PDA as classless and more suspect as the guilty party trying to pin down Malone some more. Can we really blame him for staying quiet and not entertain the controversy some more?

Also, PDA probably thought he was not the agrieved party in this case, so why even bother to entertain the controversy to propagate this negative thing some more and hurt Malone?

Also, when you just fired somebody, you want to avoid discussing to the media endlessly what went wrong with the person fired. You don't want to hurt someone's feeling some more that way.

If there is anyone who should clarify this controversy or leakage, I think it should be Malone. But we did not hear Malone crying foul in this case or deny it. So, more likely this was true however it was inappropriately leaked or not.

Don't you think so?

 

[Prince_XY]

Same set of facts. Except the one released leaves out all timing, context, or anything else that makes it a reasonable stance back when it happened, and instead turns into what is essentially a lie being used to refute the irrefutable bond that Cousins and Malone had formed over the last year and a half, and instead suggest that Malone wanted Cousins gone. How artful. How political. How B.S.. How Gerbil.

Or, it could be that Malone really wore double face.

When he was with the BIG GUY, out of fear by the mear size of Cousins, he was nice and cozy to Cousins. Besides, what else can a rookie coach do when the owner was so high on Cousins? Cousins gets maltreated, the owner sees his franchise hope getting frustrated, we don't want to know what will happen next to the coach.

That earned Malone some respect from the BIG GUY, and hence the development of the seemingly irrefutable and unbreakable bond. But when Malone was with management, he says his real feelings "I don't think Cousins got what it takes to take us to the next level and I'd rather let him earn his extension. Or probably in other words, he wished he was not dealing with a player like Cousins. And when everything got leaked for some reasons, he stays quiet and cannot refute a thing.

Also, Malone was an assistant coach in the NBA. Is it not reasonable for us to expect him to to know what Cousins level is or how good Cousins can become? I mean we are talking here about a Demarcus Cousins and not just some Favors of UTAH or Monroe and Drummond of Detroit.

Is he really that stupid to have misjudged/doubted Cousins potential even during the time when he first got here?

An assistant coach in the NBA, not knowing that much about Cousins?

Come on.

Why would Malone stay quiet in all this controversy if indeed it was not true?

Oh well, if he ends-up not confirming or denying anything, he can always hide behind what we call the benefit of the doubt. Clever move.

 

[The Hammer]

So, can we not think PDA was also having classy move in this case for not entertaining or refuting the controversy surrounding the leakage?

I mean, PDA probably thought he did not have to answer who leaked this to the media or farther discuss this to the media. Discussing and explaining to the media some more might just open a long diry list of Malone's transgressions. That will render PDA as classless and more suspect as the guilty party trying to pin down Malone some more. Can we really blame him for staying quiet and not entertain the controversy some more?

Also, PDA probably thought he was not the guilty party in this case, so why even bother to entertain the controversy to propagate this negative thing some more?

Also, when you just fired somebody, you want to avoid discussing to the media endlessly what went wrong with the person fired. You don't want to hurt someone's feeling some more that way.

If there is anyone who should clarify this controversy or leakage, I think it should be Malone. But we did not hear Malone crying foul in this case or deny it. So, more likely this was true whether it was inappropriately leaked or not.

Don't you think so?

No. Absolutely not. You come to Malone's defense. End of story.

You strike me as someone who doesn't really pay attention to things.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

You strike me as someone who doesn't really pay attention to things.

So let's go for some hard-core honesty here.

When the rumor says "PDA wants Josh Smith sooooooooooo bad", the anti-PDA crowd takes this as gospel truth evidence that PDA is dumb, while the pro-PDA crowd points out that the Pistons ate over $40M to make him go away and would obviously have taken anything we had to offer back if for no other reason than to save money.

When the rumor says "Malone didn't want to extend Cousins", the anti-PDA crowd says it's a blatant lie while the pro-PDA crowd takes it as gospel truth.

How people interpret rumors is very strongly linked to the position they have staked out beforehand. And most of the time, we do not know - and never will know - whether these rumors are true or false. It's a bit unbecoming to stake out a position based on "knowing" whether a particular unproven rumor is true or false - for both sides.

 

[The Hammer]

So let's go for some hard-core honesty here.

When the rumor says "PDA wants Josh Smith sooooooooooo bad", the anti-PDA crowd takes this as gospel truth evidence that PDA is dumb, while the pro-PDA crowd points out that the Pistons ate over $40M to make him go away and would obviously have taken anything we had to offer back if for no other reason than to save money.

When the rumor says "Malone didn't want to extend Cousins", the anti-PDA crowd says it's a blatant lie while the pro-PDA crowd takes it as gospel truth.

How people interpret rumors is very strongly linked to the position they have staked out beforehand. And most of the time, we do not know - and never will know - whether these rumors are true or false. It's a bit unbecoming to stake out a position based on "knowing" whether a particular unproven rumor is true or false - for both sides.

I totally agree with you, but, the preposterousness of the rumor needs to be taken into account. Also, previous PDA behavior strongly influences my opinion on said rumor. Just as a judge takes into account a defendant's prior history, credit companies and banks determine credit worthiness based on history, etc. Let's not pretend those things don't count.

 

[captain bill]

Lol at the level of simmering hatred that a segment of this board has against Pete.

Pretty much the entire staff that Vivek initially hired is gone, and all signs indicate that Pete will be soon, as well.

 

[Prince_XY]

Lol at the level of simmering hatred that a segment of this board has against Pete.

Pretty much the entire staff that Vivek initially hired is gone, and all signs indicate that Pete will be soon, as well.

I hope it will be announced soon enough so we can all go back to civility.

People are calling each other idiots already in this board and it is being allowed all because of hatred towards PDA. I feel sorry for him being unfairly treated to the point of being likened to an animal (Gerbil) because of his looks. But hey, the franchise and the Kings kingdom (however evil it had become) has to move on with or without him or with him being demoted.

 

[John Galt]

Lol at the level of simmering hatred that a segment of this board has against Pete.

Firing Malone was THAT crazy - THAT indefensible - THAT evil. And THAT is the source of all the venom. And once Pete's head rolls, THEN it will be over.

You can't do what Pete did to Malone. It was a catastrophic mistake career-wise, as it should be. He hurt lot of people with that move.

I do allow room for the notion that Pete has been a patsy all along, but if so - that is the path he chose. He chose to be a puppet GM, drafting Stauskas, pumping up the Josh Smith idea, and firing Malone at Vivek's behest. If he did that (sold his soul to brown-nose Vivek), then the wrath of Sacramento is the price he pays for what I'm sure is a fattie severance deal.

 

[pshn80]

As I said many months and many threads back - what if Vivek had a very good reason for firing Malone. I assume he did. If so, it changes just about everything offered in the above arguments. Where does that leave most of us? Wrong.

 

[Bricklayer]

And what if Vivek is in fact a closet cannibal. I assume he is. If so that explains the disappearing crowd at Sleeptrain.

 

[pshn80]

And what if Vivek is in fact a closet cannibal. I assume he is. If so that explains the disappearing crowd at Sleeptrain.

You're not giving my view much. Probably because you think it implausible. Mines closer than cannibaism. I'm sticking with mine until one of you come up with something better. But, of course, you knew that already.

 

[VF21]

Or, it could be that Malone really wore double face.

When he was with the BIG GUY, out of fear by the mear size of Cousins, he was nice and cozy to Cousins. Besides, what else can a rookie coach do when the owner was so high on Cousins? Cousins gets maltreated, the owner sees his franchise hope getting frustrated, we don't want to know what will happen next to the coach.

That earned Malone some respect from the BIG GUY, and hence the development of the seemingly irrefutable and unbreakable bond. But when Malone was with management, he says his real feelings "I don't think Cousins got what it takes to take us to the next level and I'd rather let him earn his extension. Or probably in other words, he wished he was not dealing with a player like Cousins. And when everything got leaked for some reasons, he stays quiet and cannot refute a thing.

Also, Malone was an assistant coach in the NBA. Is it not reasonable for us to expect him to to know what Cousins level is or how good Cousins can become? I mean we are talking here about a Demarcus Cousins and not just some Favors of UTAH or Monroe and Drummond of Detroit.

Is he really that stupid to have misjudged/doubted Cousins potential even during the time when he first got here?

An assistant coach in the NBA, not knowing that much about Cousins?

Come on.

Why would Malone stay quiet in all this controversy if indeed it was not true?

Oh well, if he ends-up not confirming or denying anything, he can always hide behind what we call the benefit of the doubt. Clever move.

Even though it appears you'll just ignore it again, I will give you a reason AGAIN why Malone didn't say anything:

His contract probably has a clause in it that forbids him from discussing his terms of employment (which includes termination). It's really pretty common.

 

[The Hammer]

Lol at the level of simmering hatred that a segment of this board has against Pete.

You act as if there's no reason for it. Where the hell have you been the past 6 months?

 

[Warhawk]

You're not giving my view much. Probably because you think it implausible. Mines closer than cannibaism. I'm sticking with mine until one of you come up with something better. But, of course, you knew that already.

Oh, we know what happened and why. It's been stated over and over.

Malone was off to the hot start against a super-difficult schedule playing the bruising style that best fit personnel. Mullin and PDA didn't agree with it and Mullin wanted to coach. Malone didn't put up with their interfering BS, so PDA and Malone eventually weren't talking much (if at all). So as soon as the team floundered with Cousins out sick, PDA and Mullin got Vivek to fire Malone thinking that they could keep the team floating with Corbin until the offseason, where an "exhaustive" coaching search would lead to Mullin. He wanted to coach, but apparently only if he had an offseason to prepare and go through training camp.

They completely missed that the team (and fans, to a large extent anyways) had bonded with Malone in a way they couldn't anticipate (his no-nonsense fighting attitude, defense first mindset, and clear way of addressing issues) and the fact that Corbin was in no way capable of coaching this team after Malone had taken it to where we were at that time. These were OBVIOUS to anyone with a pulse, as seen by the reaction of the fanbase when the firing occurred. They were just clueless. Actually, had they fired him in the offseason after another 28-win year I doubt there would have been that much of a fuss. Especially if they had hired Karl.

They only reached out to Karl when Mullin refused to take over mid-season and the losses were piling up like snow in a blizzard and the fans revolting in social media (and, likely more importantly, season ticket sales deadlines approaching). I know I was being respectful online while expressing my displeasure and I was blocked from Vivek and Leslie on twitter, for example. And I wasn't the only one, by far!

So you can look for deeper meaning in all this if you like, but the reality is this was basically a power struggle with Mullin and PDA triumphing over Malone, but the results have been CATASTROPHIC. Hence, the venom.

 

[pshn80]

Oh, we know what happened and why. It's been stated over and over.

Malone was off to the hot start against a super-difficult schedule playing the bruising style that best fit personnel. Mullin and PDA didn't agree with it and Mullin wanted to coach. Malone didn't put up with their interfering BS, so PDA and Malone eventually weren't talking much (if at all). So as soon as the team floundered with Cousins out sick, PDA and Mullin got Vivek to fire Malone thinking that they could keep the team floating with Corbin until the offseason, where an "exhaustive" coaching search would lead to Mullin. He wanted to coach, but apparently only if he had an offseason to prepare and go through training camp.

They completely missed that the team (and fans, so a large extent anyways) had bonded with Malone in a way they couldn't anticipate (his no-nonsense fighting attitude, defense first mindset, and clear way of addressing issues) and the fact that Corbin was in no way capable of coaching this team after Malone had taken it to where we were at that time. These were OBVIOUS to anyone with a pulse, as seen by the reaction of the fanbase when the firing occurred. They were just clueless. Actually, had they fired him in the offseason after another 28-win year I doubt there would have been that much of a fuss. Especially if they had hired Karl.

They only reached out to Karl when Mullin refused to take over mid-season and the losses were piling up like snow in a blizzard and the fans revolting in social media (and, likely more importantly, season ticket sales deadlines approaching). I know I was being respectful online while expressing my displeasure and I was blocked from Vivek and Leslie on twitter, for example. And I wasn't the only one, by far!

So you can look for deeper meaning in all this if you like, but the reality is this was basically a power struggle with Mullin and PDA triumphing over Malone, but the results have been CATASTROPHIC. Hence, the venom.

Best summation of the whole issue even though nothing new. The fans certainly have been crazed. The scenario you describe is persuasive and is more likely pretty close to the truth. Because of personal doubts I still can't completely sign on with it. Thank you.

 

[VF21]

Oh, we know what happened and why. It's been stated over and over.

Malone was off to the hot start against a super-difficult schedule playing the bruising style that best fit personnel. Mullin and PDA didn't agree with it and Mullin wanted to coach. Malone didn't put up with their interfering BS, so PDA and Malone eventually weren't talking much (if at all). So as soon as the team floundered with Cousins out sick, PDA and Mullin got Vivek to fire Malone thinking that they could keep the team floating with Corbin until the offseason, where an "exhaustive" coaching search would lead to Mullin. He wanted to coach, but apparently only if he had an offseason to prepare and go through training camp.

They completely missed that the team (and fans, to a large extent anyways) had bonded with Malone in a way they couldn't anticipate (his no-nonsense fighting attitude, defense first mindset, and clear way of addressing issues) and the fact that Corbin was in no way capable of coaching this team after Malone had taken it to where we were at that time. These were OBVIOUS to anyone with a pulse, as seen by the reaction of the fanbase when the firing occurred. They were just clueless. Actually, had they fired him in the offseason after another 28-win year I doubt there would have been that much of a fuss. Especially if they had hired Karl.

They only reached out to Karl when Mullin refused to take over mid-season and the losses were piling up like snow in a blizzard and the fans revolting in social media (and, likely more importantly, season ticket sales deadlines approaching). I know I was being respectful online while expressing my displeasure and I was blocked from Vivek and Leslie on twitter, for example. And I wasn't the only one, by far!

So you can look for deeper meaning in all this if you like, but the reality is this was basically a power struggle with Mullin and PDA triumphing over Malone, but the results have been CATASTROPHIC. Hence, the venom.

I'll only add one point to your summation. Malone, clearly frustrated over what was happening, came out publicly and said that analytics don't win ball games, defense wins games. This, I believe, was the final little piece of ammunition those against Malone were able to use against him to convince Vivek he had to go.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Even though it appears you'll just ignore it again, I will give you a reason AGAIN why Malone didn't say anything:

His contract probably has a clause in it that forbids him from discussing his terms of employment (which includes termination). It's really pretty common.

There are ways around that, though -- quotes from "league sources," etc. I imagine the motive is more practical - not much benefit to Malone to getting into a he said/she said battle of leaks with his former employer when he's looking for another coaching gig.