JT wants to get traded (and other trade discussion)

rainmaker

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Whether JT wants out or not is beside the point.

Real issue is we can't go two days without yet another leak from somewhere within our FO painting yet another player in a negative light.

I wouldn't blame JT at all if he wanted to move on. But why once again is this type of **** being leaked? Seems members of our FO are so insecure they feel the need to constantly leak so it "appears" they're putting in work behind the scenes.
 
Glenn

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rainmaker said:
Whether JT wants out or not is beside the point.

Real issue is we can't go two days without yet another leak from somewhere within our FO painting yet another player in a negative light.

I wouldn't blame JT at all if he wanted to move on. But why once again is this type of **** being leaked? Seems members of our FO are so insecure they feel the need to constantly leak so it "appears" they're putting in work behind the scenes.
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I guess they don't want players to feel like they are wanted. It's bizarre and cruel.
 
Big Cuz 15

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rainmaker said:
Whether JT wants out or not is beside the point.

Real issue is we can't go two days without yet another leak from somewhere within our FO painting yet another player in a negative light.

I wouldn't blame JT at all if he wanted to move on. But why once again is this type of **** being leaked? Seems members of our FO are so insecure they feel the need to constantly leak so it "appears" they're putting in work behind the scenes.
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lol 'appears' gotta make sure there is a paper trail when they're moving at lightspeed 20,000 steps ahead.
 
Kingster

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For the last couple of years, Thompson's body language indicated he wanted out. Before last season's trade deadline he looked like he didn't know what to do with himself he was so giddy in anticipation of being traded (reminded me of Martin when he got the word he was traded). I think the Kings would love to accommodate him, but as others have said, it takes two to tango.

I do think that Thompson could be a good asset for a playoff contender, a team with some stability and a solid core. Thompson has had far too many games as a King in which I thought he was going through the motions. I don't really blame him. With all the instability on the Kings, he's been like an orphan shuttled around to ten different foster homes. I recall fondly his rookie year when he was an all-out hustle guy. He is that no longer, at least on the Kings. On a solid veteran team I can see him being totally rejuvenated and see Mr. Hustle come back to life.
 
IfAt1st

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Wow, GQ_
That is EXACTLY the interview I was wanting to reference, but didn't know how to search for it.

It's almost like you had it bookmarked as evidence against the guy or something....

Either way, good link!

In hearing that interview again, some of his comments make more sense (iso ball, not enough passing, etc) but then it pisses me off again when he shows he Simply Doesn't Get It when he was still upset from the first game of the season where he got the winning tip-in against Denver - but he was upset because he only got three shots.
Three shots!
And he completely ignores that he contributed to a (relatively) big win, was congratulated by his teammates, etc -
But he only got 3 shots! *gasp*

JT is not the kind of talent where he should remotely be counting his shots - he should consider himself damn lucky that he's been afforded a constant chance, year in year out, and noone who has come in has played better here. (Remember, there were at least 2 better players that just didn't apparently want to play here that should have bumped him out of his spot here - J.J. Hickson and PPat).
He should help the team any way he can and not be bent out of shape that he doesn't get enough offensive touches. How can he not understand that's his role? To help the team win any way he can? It seems like it's always about him him him.
 
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206Fan

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Who says no to this deal? I think it's very realistic

Sacramento- Nik Stauskas/Jason Thompson/ Derrick Williams
Phoenix- Goran Dragic/Miles Plumlee/Gerald Green

The Suns are desperate to either keep or lose Dragic. It seems like they want to deal him rather than lose him in FA. The Suns need a SG if they part ways with Bledsoe. I think Nik will fit in their starting lineup as a spot up shooter. They get a huge potential in Nik. I believe Nik would still go in the top 10 in this draft. They also get JT as a solid big. Plumlee has been disappointing for them and has been outplayed by Alex Len in almost every way. Green will be a FA who's likely leaving them after this season.

I don't think they will get any great offers for Dragic.. at least not better than what we'd have to offer.
 
Gary

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Spike said:
If Javale comes in, then PDA can fire Karl for not starting/playing him. It'll be Denver all over again.
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Why? The dude has probably the lowest BBall IQ in the league. He cannot defend, and he's an idiot. I wouldn't want him to come near this team.
 
Gary

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206Fan said:
Who says no to this deal? I think it's very realistic

Sacramento- Nik Stauskas/Jason Thompson/ Derrick Williams
Phoenix- Goran Dragic/Miles Plumlee/Gerald Green

The Suns are desperate to either keep or lose Dragic. It seems like they want to deal him rather than lose him in FA. The Suns need a SG if they part ways with Bledsoe. I think Nik will fit in their starting lineup as a spot up shooter. They get a huge potential in Nik. I believe Nik would still go in the top 10 in this draft. They also get JT as a solid big. Plumlee has been disappointing for them and has been outplayed by Alex Len in almost every way. Green will be a FA who's likely leaving them after this season.

I don't think they will get any great offers for Dragic.. at least not better than what we'd have to offer.
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That's too much for the three scrubs we're offering. But that being said, I would take either of the Plumlee brothers (if Brooklyn was offering up the other one). They are smart players and will only get better.
 
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206Fan

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Gary said:
That's too much for the three scrubs we're offering. But that being said, I would take either of the Plumlee brothers (if Brooklyn was offering up the other one). They are smart players and will only get better.
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Nik for Dragic is a pretty good trade for the Suns. They wanted a 1st round pick this year, so why not just get Nik? I think had he fell to their pick last year, they would've drafted him.

JT for Plumlee and Green favors us a little bit..However, Plumlee hasn't had a big role this season and a lot of Suns' fans dislike him because he's regressed.. it's kind of the love JT got last year. Green is having a bad shooting year, but he helps the Suns a ton off the bench. However, he is also an expiring.. I don't think JT=Plumlee because JT is better. Green makes that trade better for us.

The Kings would be taking a huge risk if the trade doesn't including Green. If Dragic decides to walk, we basically just traded Nik and JT for Plumlee. You add Green because at the very least you'll feel confident that 1 of the FAs will resign with the team.

The Suns know that the Kings would be taking a risk with this trade. A huge risk that could potentially leave them with just Plumlee, but I believe it's a risk the Kings should take. That's why I think the Suns do it. Nik and JT is a good package.
 
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randymoss1881 said:
Only a fool trades JT before landry. If you want Illyasova than trade landry/DWill no reason to give up a defender
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You absolutely have to trade Landry if you're looking at Ilyasova. JT and D-Will are out of the question. He has a big salary at 7.9mpy, and we can't afford to have JT/Landry/Ilyasova tied up at PF. Hard part is getting the Bucks to agree. Landry is cheaper, but they'd probably rather stick with Ilyasova and see how his injury plays out.

I'd be so pissed if we traded anyone aside from Landry for Ilyasova
 
John Galt

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206Fan said:
Who says no to this deal? I think it's very realistic

Sacramento- Nik Stauskas/Jason Thompson/ Derrick Williams
Phoenix- Goran Dragic/Miles Plumlee/Gerald Green

The Suns are desperate to either keep or lose Dragic. It seems like they want to deal him rather than lose him in FA. The Suns need a SG if they part ways with Bledsoe. I think Nik will fit in their starting lineup as a spot up shooter. They get a huge potential in Nik. I believe Nik would still go in the top 10 in this draft. They also get JT as a solid big. Plumlee has been disappointing for them and has been outplayed by Alex Len in almost every way. Green will be a FA who's likely leaving them after this season.

I don't think they will get any great offers for Dragic.. at least not better than what we'd have to offer.
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In my wet dream.... But Suns absolutely say no. They can have the moon for Dragoc I think. Hope I'm wrong
 
John Galt

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206Fan said:
Who says no to this deal? I think it's very realistic

Sacramento- Nik Stauskas/Jason Thompson/ Derrick Williams
Phoenix- Goran Dragic/Miles Plumlee/Gerald Green

The Suns are desperate to either keep or lose Dragic. It seems like they want to deal him rather than lose him in FA. The Suns need a SG if they part ways with Bledsoe. I think Nik will fit in their starting lineup as a spot up shooter. They get a huge potential in Nik. I believe Nik would still go in the top 10 in this draft. They also get JT as a solid big. Plumlee has been disappointing for them and has been outplayed by Alex Len in almost every way. Green will be a FA who's likely leaving them after this season.

I don't think they will get any great offers for Dragic.. at least not better than what we'd have to offer.
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If I were Suns I might listen if you throw in (add) MeLemore to this deal. I am enjoying Bens success but I'm still skeptical - he's on a heater but... I would't kill PDA for "selling high" where Ben is concerned
 
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John Galt said:
In my wet dream.... But Suns absolutely say no. They can have the moon for Dragoc I think. Hope I'm wrong
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Suns are in a terrible spot right now. They either have to get rid of Dragic or IT. The worst part of it all is getting rid of IT doesn't guarantee that Dragic stays. Dragic is already an unhappy man.
 
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John Galt said:
If I were Suns I might listen if you throw in (add) MeLemore to this deal. I am enjoying Bens success but I'm still skeptical - he's on a heater but... I would't kill PDA for "selling high" where Ben is concerned
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no way we throw Ben in for this deal.. if the Suns ask for Ben, Pete will flip them the bird and move on to talk to Denver. I think what I suggested is a more than fair deal all around. If the Suns feel better with a late 1st round pick in the 2015 draft rather a lottery pick Nik Stauskas and a good backup JT.. that's on them.

I think Ben is expendable, but we'd have to get something good in return. I put him right next to Cousins as an untouchable unless a really good package comes along.
 
Capt. Factorial

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206Fan said:
Who says no to this deal? I think it's very realistic

Sacramento- Nik Stauskas/Jason Thompson/ Derrick Williams
Phoenix- Goran Dragic/Miles Plumlee/Gerald Green
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The dangerous thing on this deal from the Kings' point of view is that the only piece you actually get to keep is Miles Plumlee. Green walks at the end of the year, and Dragic is going to want to hit the free agent market. It would give us some serious room under the cap next summer (putting us at about $47M), but that's still probably only enough room to get Dragic back or (not and) get one big player - if we can pry one away. Is nothing more than the chance at making a splash in free agency worth giving up Nik's potential, especially if we end up not having a draft pick this year? I just don't know.
 
whozit

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Capt. Factorial said:
The dangerous thing on this deal from the Kings' point of view is that the only piece you actually get to keep is Miles Plumlee. Green walks at the end of the year, and Dragic is going to want to hit the free agent market. It would give us some serious room under the cap next summer (putting us at about $47M), but that's still probably only enough room to get Dragic back or (not and) get one big player - if we can pry one away. Is nothing more than the chance at making a splash in free agency worth giving up Nik's potential, especially if we end up not having a draft pick this year? I just don't know.
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I do. I wouldn't chance it. Not with the mess the front office created this year. They portrayed anything but stability.
 
bajaden

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Čarolija said:
This is yet another front office "leak" that is trying to damage persons reputation on the way out. Its rather pathetic that these imbeciles need to stoop to that level to justify their decision to make a move.

First slag off on IT (while some is warranted, some is not, even if it is true), then slag off on Malone and question his professionalism. Not let it be heard that JT has requested a trade even if he hasn't. Now I don't know if he has, and if it fact he has, I don't blame him but these bunch of weasels can man up for once, put their ****ing hand up and say I have traded this guy because I think he does not fit what we want from that position. He has been a hard working class act his entire time in Sacramento and we wish him nothing but the absolute best.

But no, lets they and throw some mud to justify our decision. Pathetic and so predictable by this organization in the last 18 months. At least Geoff Petrie has class and treated all the players that have left or have been traded with respect.
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Well, to be as fair as possible, the first report I saw said that the info came from JT's camp. And to the best of my knowledge, they haven't denied it. So while I know its a convenient story to launch into a tirade against the Kings organization, and by no means am I defending them, I don't think they're responsible for every leaked story that comes down the pike. Especially since the reporter said otherwise, and it hasn't been denied.

That said, I don't blame JT. He needs a change of scenery. He's been a class act ever since he's been here, and if he is indeed traded, I wish him the best of luck and hope he only plays badly against us.
 
T

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whozit said:
I do. I wouldn't chance it. Not with the mess the front office created this year. They portrayed anything but stability.
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Only blessing to come out of this re: our free agent chances is Karl. If he can manage to create a sense of stability and excitement, then paired with Cuz and Rudy... if we do ok this last 30 games... then yes, we're an up and coming team that is attractive to free agents. A team putting together a core that you might want to be a part of. In spite of the horrendous handling of this coaching situation, if Karl gets this team to play well this last 30 games, that goes a LONG way to signing someone this summer. Just another reason to not even think about "keeping the pick".
 
bajaden

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beb0p said:
I take it with a grain of salt. The Jason Thompson of the world don't usually go to the FO and demand trades. I find this entire story hard to believe.

But that doesn't mean his departure isn't being actively discussed.
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As usual, things get taken to the extreme on this forum. It could be as simple as JT's agent, knowing that the Kings have been shopping JT around the league, went to the Kings and said that they would prefer his being traded sooner rather then later, like before the trade deadline. Sorry, but that's hardly a surprise or even a story of note to my mind.
 
bajaden

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Capt. Factorial said:
The dangerous thing on this deal from the Kings' point of view is that the only piece you actually get to keep is Miles Plumlee. Green walks at the end of the year, and Dragic is going to want to hit the free agent market. It would give us some serious room under the cap next summer (putting us at about $47M), but that's still probably only enough room to get Dragic back or (not and) get one big player - if we can pry one away. Is nothing more than the chance at making a splash in free agency worth giving up Nik's potential, especially if we end up not having a draft pick this year? I just don't know.
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Yeah, it would be a bit of a gamble, but I'd love to acquire Dragic. Plumlee is a nice acquisition, but he's not the Plumlee I would prefer. I believe we would have Dragic's Bird rights, but I'd have to check the new CBA about max deals to players with Bird rights. Something about being able to max out just one player, or something. Don't remember, so I'll shut up. However, if the normal Bird rights apply, then we would have more leverage than anyone else in resigning him. Wouldn't be cheap though.
 
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Capt. Factorial said:
The dangerous thing on this deal from the Kings' point of view is that the only piece you actually get to keep is Miles Plumlee. Green walks at the end of the year, and Dragic is going to want to hit the free agent market. It would give us some serious room under the cap next summer (putting us at about $47M), but that's still probably only enough room to get Dragic back or (not and) get one big player - if we can pry one away. Is nothing more than the chance at making a splash in free agency worth giving up Nik's potential, especially if we end up not having a draft pick this year? I just don't know.
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Correct me if I'm wrong Capt. The salary cap is expected to rise up to about $66million for next year. This leaves the Kings with around $19million for FA. The Kings could then go after players like Affalo, Amir Johnson, and Gerald Green. The Kings could then use birds right to resign Dragic. I don't believe Dragic gets a max from anyone in the NBA. 13-14 is the max I think he gets.

I think it would be a good risk we take if Dragic decides to sign with us.
 
Capt. Factorial

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206Fan said:
Correct me if I'm wrong Capt. The salary cap is expected to rise up to about $66million for next year. This leaves the Kings with around $19million for FA. The Kings could then go after players like Affalo, Amir Johnson, and Gerald Green. The Kings could then use birds right to resign Dragic. I don't believe Dragic gets a max from anyone in the NBA. 13-14 is the max I think he gets.

I think it would be a good risk we take if Dragic decides to sign with us.
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The thing is that Bird Rights are reasonably cleverly designed so that you can't just spend up to the cap and then sign your own free agents. Dragic would put a cap hold on our salary cap that would be $11.25M - so that ~$19M in cap space drops down to $7.75M right away. If we were to sign Dragic for less than $11.25M we'd get the balance back on our cap, but in order to go over a $7.75M offer to another player we'd have to either renounce the rights to Dragic or do something clever like a sign-and-trade or trade away somebody else's salary.

Could you get Dragic and Afflalo? Perhaps. But a big name like a Marc Gasol or a DeAndre Jordan (however unlikely it is that they might want to come here in the first place) is going to price us right out of the Dragic market - we'd have to renounce him just to get something like that done.
 
bajaden

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Iced Espresso said:
Yeah it is true from what I've heard.

I'm guessing it is going to cost at least 6-7 million per, maybe even more depending on buyout terms, unless he has a specific place in mind and will take less to play there. Someone will be willing to pay him at least 6-7 IMO on a multi year contract and gamble.
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Do you honestly believe that a team is going to offer Sanders that much money on a three year contract with his past reputation. Would you? I wouldn't !!! If I offered him a contract that long, the last two years would have a team option written into them. I don't think there's going to be a mad rush to sign this guy. He's a huge risk, and probably only teams that need to take a big risk are going to be in line. Unfortunately were one of those. The most I'd offer that guy is something around 3 mil a year. Lets not forget, he's being paid by the Bucks, so its not as though he'll go broke.
 
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