Carmichael Dave innuendo, "We are officially at Defcon One"

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Interesting thought. With all of the speculation that it must be either our FO or Cousins' camp leaking that, there is a third party involved here that could also be responsible.
Nothing would surprise me at this point, but what's Karl's angle in leaking the DMC thing? I guess it increases pressure on the Kings to just complete the deal before potentially isolating/insulting their star player. On the other hand, if it comes back to Karl's side, it risks poisoning the well with the relationship between the coach and the star before it even begins.
 
Just tweeted by Woj

Sources: Sacramento, George Karl talks have been twisting road, but GM Pete D'Allesandro's determination to reach deal is keeping it alive.

Let's go gerbil
Well well well.....

Ailene Voisin ‏@ailene_voisin 1m1 minute ago
DeMarcus Cousins' agent telling me they are not "blocking" Kings/Karl deal. Says if Kings want Karl then "make the move. We don't run team."
Wow wow wow.

So, leaks come out blaming their FRANCHISE CENTERPIECE for blocking the deal... which are totally false... Then leaks come out saying PDA is just so determined...

Cousins must be sick knowing he's playing for management that is actively spreading lies to make him look bad. This, after they lied about telling him about Malone's firing...

Well, that's one way to make your star player want to play somewhere else.
 
Yeah, I think that's extreme.
I guess it's really just a hope at this point.

I'm tired of watching boogie play meaningless basketball, I really am.

The war is on. This easily ends with a trade request. Maybe not this weekend, but it's coming. Boogie was pretty onboard but they seem intent on alienating him from the fan base. Not leaving much choice. And right before his big coming out party nationally.

Now he's the man child holding up a deal. Same old story.
 
No he's not. Bad at running a basketball team? Perhaps. The early returns aren't looking very good. But worse than spend-nothing owners who actively schemed to move the team out of town? Not close.
If they're actively scheming to get Boogie out of town, they're getting a lot closer. Boogie doesn't fit their vision in any way.

More likely is that they are just buffoons with no clue.

Unfortunately, the end result could be the same whatever the intent is.

The more I think about it, if the leak is Karl, the only explanation for why'd he do that might this. He wants Boogie gone. He wants to come here, but wants Boogie gone.

Could there be another reason, going on the assumption Karl is leaking the stuff about Boogie's agent? Getting rid of Boogie would seem to be a good motivation for laying blame at his feet.

It certainly paints Boogie as difficult. If Karl were to come, and fail, the blame will shift to Boogie and he'll be traded. They've laid the groundwork out quige nicely.
 
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Glenn

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The structure of this ownership group is complete bull****
Maybe and maybe not. I see Vivek as a consensus builder whether he needs consensus or not. He wants everyone to agree. That makes sense as he is spending everybody else's money as well as his own. However, when the rubber hits the road, he can make the decision. I think he is trying to make as few enemies among his partners as possible.
 
The structure of the ownership group was also a necessity at the time. In order to keep the team here, we really needed to cobble together as much resources as possible at the last minute. I'm willing to live with that for now, if it means the Kings are still here. Would really like to see some more sense in executing things, though.
 

rainmaker

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Not sure about everyone else but I don't want Karl at this point, not with all the baggage it entails.

After slinging this much mud at Cuz over the last couple days due to the negotiations surrounding Karl, I really wouldn't bring Karl in. What this FO has created before Karl even puts pen to paper is a strong Cuz vs Karl dynamic which will hang over their heads with leaks blaming Cuz and his agent as the backdrop. Can anyone think of a worse way to start off the Karl/Cuz era if it goes through?

Cuz vs Karl could easily end with Cuz or Karl and that's not a situation I'd put myself in or a gamble I'd make, but I'm not one of the weasels running this thing either.
 
Voison tweeting that silence = Karl likely to be done. Amick standing by the reports that "Cousins camp factor is real" and that there's plenty of work to be done if Karl is going to happen, although he adds that PDA is going to have "crucial" talk with the Cousins camp later today. I might need to just turn off Twitter and get back to work.
 
Not sure about everyone else but I don't want Karl at this point, not with all the baggage it entails.

After slinging this much mud at Cuz over the last couple days due to the negotiations surrounding Karl, I really wouldn't bring Karl in. What this FO has created before Karl even puts pen to paper is a strong Cuz vs Karl dynamic which will hang over their heads with leaks blaming Cuz and his agent as the backdrop. Can anyone think of a worse way to start off the Karl/Cuz era if it goes through?

Cuz vs Karl could easily end with Cuz or Karl and that's not a situation I'd put myself in or a gamble I'd make, but I'm not one of the weasels running this thing either.
I don't know. What's the alternative, the status quo? As long as making the move to Karl has a nonzero chance of working out, it seems like a better choice. And I don't see any plausible "white knights" out there, either.
 

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Voison tweeting that silence = Karl likely to be done. Amick standing by the reports that "Cousins camp factor is real" and that there's plenty of work to be done if Karl is going to happen, although he adds that PDA is going to have "crucial" talk with the Cousins camp later today. I might need to just turn off Twitter and get back to work.
This story has more twists and turns than Odysseus.

I think we'll have to just buckle down, hope for the best, and accept that whatever happens in the end that we'll probably never really know what, if any, of the drama (or imagined drama) leading up to Karl being hired/not-hired was true and what was not.
 
This has become a disgrace. Is this what it takes to be an NBA GM in this day and age? No matter what happens after this, there will be more questions than answers and the general theme that these guys running the team right now are not fit to take us anywhere but back to leading the lottery.
 

Glenn

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This has become a disgrace. Is this what it takes to be an NBA GM in this day and age? No matter what happens after this, there will be more questions than answers and the general theme that these guys running the team right now are not fit to take us anywhere but back to leading the lottery.
It may be what it takes to be an NBA GM negotiating with a future hall of fame coach as opposed to negotiating with Keith Smart.
 
Only the Sacramento Kings can somehow make a signing a guy who has publicly been stating he wants to be the coach of the Kings turn into a crazy process and accusations left and right like a murder trial.

At some point we will look back at this time period and wonder.... how in the world do Sacramento Kings fans still exist and better yet, why?
 
It may be what it takes to be an NBA GM negotiating with a future hall of fame coach as opposed to negotiating with Keith Smart.
Sure, but the accusations towards Cousins and his "camp" have been completely unnecessary. The amount of leaks has also been rather extraordinary.
 

Glenn

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Sure, but the accusations towards Cousins and his "camp" have been completely unnecessary. The amount of leaks has also been rather extraordinary.
A month ago Fegan said he didn't think Karl and Cousins could get along.

I think that's wrong, absolutely wrong and the idea undoubtedly no longer exists. I can find that if you wish but I don't want to take the time. ;)
 
There's pretty much a game time deadline.

Again, I think this looks bad to any other coaches.

1. They did Malone wrong and it backfired
2. They are doing Corbin wrong by letting him be the lamest of lameduck coaches
3. Outsiders can't tell who is in charge
 
Here we go.

Carmichael Dave (@carmichaeldave) tweeted at 1:34pm - 8 Feb 15:

I see no realistic scenario that doesn't have George Karl coaching the Sacramento Kings in the very near future.

Also:Sam Amick (@sam_amick) tweeted at 2:12pm - 8 Feb 15:

And say what you will, but there's a reason the Kings fear how franchise centerpiece will react if George Karl is hired. It's not fiction.

Sam Amick (@sam_amick) tweeted at 2:08pm - 8 Feb 15:

Kings GM Pete D'Alessandro still pushing hard to hire Karl. He's expected to talk with DeMarcus' reps later today; that will be crucial.
 
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@aaronbruski
  • Pete D made a move to fire Malone without a deal in place for another coach. You’re absolutely right he’s pushing hard for this to happen.
2:02pm - 8 Feb 15
Yesh, Petes career on the line. If he doesn't get Karl, I get the feeling he won't get another chance.

Aaron Bruski (@aaronbruski) tweeted at 2:07pm - 8 Feb 15:

Money and front office power drove the decision to not get Karl right away. Reported multiple times and now mutliple outlets.
Amick seems to battling Voisin and Bruski, who both insist money is the issue, not Boogie.
 

bajaden

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Wow, interesting to read all these posts, most of which are based on pure speculation. Good reason for that though, since the only info were getting is from tweets by local and national journalists, that really don't know much more than we do. I find the idea that Karl's camp, not sure where that's located exactly, or how big it is, has floated the idea that Cousins camp (where do I sign up for these camps) is against his signing. Somehow I'm missing the logic in that report. Karl has stated publicly that he would love to coach the Kings, and has also stated that he loves Cousins as a player, and would love to coach him. So I'm not sure how releasing a report saying that Cousins camp is against his signing, helps his cause. What am I missing here?

I'm a big Cousins fan. I defended him on this forum from the get go, especially when a certain percentage of posters wanted him gone. Not saying that to brag, but to establish where I'm coming from. If the Kings think that Karl is the right coach for this team to make it successful, then don't bring up Cousins or anyone else. Just go hire him!!!!!!!! Cousins doesn't own the team, or run the team. Vivek and PDA are the owner and general manager of this team. They should start to act like it. Right now they look like everything they do is reactionary. How about being just a little bit proactive. The reason were getting all this crazy speculation, is because were not getting any information from the organization.

Cousins has never been coached by Karl, and to the best of my knowledge, hasn't had much, if any contact with him. So any negatives he has about Karl probably came from other players that have been coached by him. I'm sure that would have some influence on him, but Cousins of all people knows what its like to be pre-judged by people, and I'm also sure he'd give Karl the benefit of the doubt going in. Yes, Karl can be abrasive in personality, but then so was Calapari, and Cousins still thinks of him as father figure. Cousins wants to win, and if the team starts winning, I don't think they would have any trouble getting along.

What might be appropriate, if there is concern about the fit, would be to have a sit down between Karl and Cousins to clear the air. However, remember that your setting a precedent by doing so. One that could bite you in the butt down the road. Or not! Cousins still has some growing up to do. He has to remember that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. He hates people that throw him under the bus, but then the other night, he threw his teammates under the bus. Deservingly so perhaps, but he did it none the less. My point is, that Karl is known to point out players when they don't perform up to his standards. So if the shoe fits, then shut up and wear it. What he won't tolerate, is your arguing with an official while your man streaks down the floor for an uncontested basket.

I'm not trying to be tough on Cousins here. He's my favorite player on the team. He's struggling to figure out how to be the leader of this team. My advice is to continue to be honest about your teammates, but also be honest about yourself as well. No one is perfect. Well, except for me of course...Ahhhh, excuse me, my wife is yelling that I forgot to put the toilet seat down again. :eek:
 
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