Carmichael Dave innuendo, "We are officially at Defcon One"

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Kingster

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It's his last go at coaching. He's got the wins and credentials to pretty much demand as high as he likes. And now with Orlando as competition the price can only go up. I don't think it's a coincidence that suddenly we are in Karl talks again after only a few days of reports of Orlando being interested. Maybe now we can't wait until summer.

I also think there is a huge power struggle in the FO right now. PDA vs Mullin. Vivek doesn't know who to listen to.
Even a genius like Vivek should be able to see the obvious by now.
 
We need Karl now.
The season is over already. No playoffs, nothing like that. Bring in Karl now and get him familiar with our players. Then he will have the off-season and training camp to work with them as well. Think of the rest of the season as practice for next season if Karl is hired.

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Ex-NBA coach George Karl has professed to the Kings that he would stay in his lane to just coach and that he is a huge DeMarcus Cousins fan.

This is a little concerning to me. And I'm not buying money being the hangup. Karl is telling the Kings everything they want to hear. He's been basically begging for this job for a month now. "I'll just coach! I love DMC!"

But he's holding out for more money?
Money isn't the issue. It's time and control. Of course Karl says he'll stay in his lane. But that also means it works both ways. Stay away when he's coaching. Regardless, a Karl hire would cause a paradigm shift in how this front office/coaching is run. Vivek and co aren't completely comfortable relinquishing full control or Karl would have been hired 6 weeks ago.

By the way, I'm not convinced PDA sticks around regardless of what their PR machine says about how he wants Karl. They also said Malone didn't want Cousins. You need context and we have none on PDA's views of hiring Karl.
 
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Even a genius like Vivek should be able to see the obvious by now.
For a normal individual yes, but that would be mean admitting to making a mistake, something I think Vivek does not like to do or typically does. Also, Mullin represents something that he desperately wants to mimic, the Warriors. You could see the difficulty in choosing. You hire Karl and listen to PDA, you risk off-putting your favorite guy and the guy you probably wanted to be coach. I think the choice is mostly in choosing the direction Vivek wants the team to go in. Pace has been an absolute disaster. Horrible in every way imaginable. We need something else.

What happens next will be interesting. If we don't get Karl, then Mullin won and he will be coach with 98% certainty. If Karl is coach, PDA won, and what happens with Mullin after that will be intriguing.
 
I have a question. Let's just say we signed Karl for 5 years 20million right now. Does this mean we'll have to pay his entirety of 4million to coach the remainder of the season?
 

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For a normal individual yes, but that would be mean admitting to making a mistake, something I think Vivek does not like to do or typically does. Also, Mullin represents something that he desperately wants to mimic, the Warriors. You could see the difficulty in choosing. You hire Karl and listen to PDA, you risk off-putting your favorite guy and the guy you probably wanted to be coach. I think the choice is mostly in choosing the direction Vivek wants the team to go in. Pace has been an absolute disaster. Horrible in every way imaginable. We need something else.

What happens next will be interesting. If we don't get Karl, then Mullin won and he will be coach with 98% certainty. If Karl is coach, PDA won, and what happens with Mullin after that will be intriguing.
That's why the unrelenting obliterating losses have been so important. If the Kings were meh under Corbin, rationalization is so much easier for Vivek. But with the fans in revolt, the players in revolt, the horrible streak of humiliating losses, all give us a shot to shock Vivek out of his cognitive dissonance. Vivek needs to freaking wake up.
 

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As far as the money thing is concerned, Vivek is just going to have to eat it. He made it. He eats it. And when he's fully digested all the **** he can vow never again to meddle in affairs he knows nothing about.
 
I'm sort of like others, sensing a spin machine at work. I vote one way but that doesn't mean I trust a word my candidate says, just means that I distrust the other side more.

If it means getting Karl and getting rid of Mullin, I'll suffer the spin. Still doesn't mean I trust a word that the machine says. There was one power struggle and it cost Malone his job, now it appears that there is another. Enemies of a eliminated common "enemy" now have each other to deal with. May they both lose in the end.
 
I have no clue why all the commentators are saying that Orlando would be a better destination than the Kings. Orlando is a young team that is at least a year away from contending. They're a talented young team on paper... Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Vucevic, Gordon, Fournier, and Harkless. However, those names don't transfer into wins.

I think a big part of why Karl would want to coach again is because of Demarcus. I think he wants to work with him
 
I think people are saying Orlando is better because of how the Kings treated Malone, and the general consensus that Karl will have zero input on personnel.
 
I have no clue why all the commentators are saying that Orlando would be a better destination than the Kings. Orlando is a young team that is at least a year away from contending. They're a talented young team on paper... Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Vucevic, Gordon, Fournier, and Harkless. However, those names don't transfer into wins.

I think a big part of why Karl would want to coach again is because of Demarcus. I think he wants to work with him
The very same Demarcus with the terrible production lately? ;)

Weird that a hall of fame coach can see through the turmoil and see the crown jewel of this organization while some fans come after him every single night while proclaiming there are no excuses and coaching doesn't matter.

I think Karl knows coaching matters.
 

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I have no clue why all the commentators are saying that Orlando would be a better destination than the Kings. Orlando is a young team that is at least a year away from contending. They're a talented young team on paper... Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Vucevic, Gordon, Fournier, and Harkless. However, those names don't transfer into wins.

I think a big part of why Karl would want to coach again is because of Demarcus. I think he wants to work with him
Maybe because the Malone firing and subsequent demolishment has shown this organization to be the most incompetent in basketball. This organization has a LOT to make up for.
 
I think people are saying Orlando is better because of how the Kings treated Malone, and the general consensus that Karl will have zero input on personnel.
If it comes out that Karl has zero input on personnel, I'm reneging on my promise to renew. He'd better have hella influence on personnel.
 
I think PDA thinks his best chance of keeping his job is bringing in Karl, with whom he must have a decent relationship. If they bring in another heavyweight coach that he doesn't know, he knows his chances of survival diminish considerably. I don't care whether they bring in Karl or another heavyweight, PDA must go!
Just for the record, I don't agree unless PDA has caused this screw up. I don't think he has.
 
The very same Demarcus with the terrible production lately? ;)

Weird that a hall of fame coach can see through the turmoil and see the crown jewel of this organization while some fans come after him every single night while proclaiming there are no excuses and coaching doesn't matter.

I think Karl knows coaching matters.
Yeah, our franchise player with the terrible FG% as of late. Cuz is rguably the best center in the NBA, and I think that's what draws Karl here. It's probably the only thing to be honest..
 
Yeah, our franchise player with the terrible FG% as of late. Cuz is rguably the best center in the NBA, and I think that's what draws Karl here. It's probably the only thing to be honest..
Yeah, but he shot 8-16 and 7-8 line the last game, when the rest of the team was beyond awful and disinterested, and you still came after him like the trolliest of trolls.

Reps can die real quick around here. Be careful. No one disagrees he's shooting poorly and turning the ball over way way too much. But that's not really all he's done. This isn't kmart shooting poorly where all he could do was score.

You completely ignore the 24ppg/12.9 rebounds/3.9 assists/2.4 steals/1.8 blocks over the past 30 as irrelevant cause he's shooting too many jump shots at a low %. It's ridiculous. Those are hall of fame, all time great, brilliant numbers. Absurd only 5-6 guys ever have done it kind of numbers.

Get Karl in here, the shooting percent jumps right back up over 50. Karl isn't dumb enough to make Boogie a jump shooter like Corbin and the minions in charge.
 

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ngs-coach-tyrone-corbin-george-karl/23035431/

Pete flew out to Denver to talk to Karl.

This thing is probably happening, one way or another.
You know, it probably needed to happen, going and meeting with Karl if this is going to happen yet I'm not going to let this slide. PDA already completely mishandled the Malone situation as we all know but to follow that up by flying out of state to meet with another coach while you already have Corbin under contract? I've never heard of another GM doing that. But this is also the same GM who talked with Mark Jackson in the arena for two hours just a day after promoting Corbin.

Notice Orlando fired Vaughn, then pursued an open coaching search. That's how you do it.

This FO, for all their talk about culture has zero understanding of the honorable way to do business. There's no code of ethics. It's embarrassing. As I said, probably needed to happen but only due to the complete incompetence we've witnessed the last two months. That's also why hiring Karl, while being a good step, is only one step out of this pile of ****. Other shoe is still covered in it. We've still got this weasel running our FO and I for one can't wait for the day he's back working on political campaigns elsewhere. He's a backstabber.
 
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Just for the record, I don't agree unless PDA has caused this screw up. I don't think he has.
If the reports that he flew to Vegas with Mullin to get permission to ax Malone are true, then yes he was a part of it. He took responsibility for the firing right after it happened. His hands are anything but clean.
 
You know, it probably needed to happen, going and meeting with Karl if this is going to happen yet I'm not going to let this slide. PDA already completely mishandled the Malone situation as we all know but to follow that up by flying out of state to meet with another coach while you already have Corbin under contract? I've never heard of another GM doing that. But this is also the same GM who talked with Mark Jackson in the arena for two hours just a day after promoting Corbin.

Notice Orlando fired Vaughn, then pursued an open coaching search. That's how you do it.

This FO, for all their talk about culture has zero understanding of the honorable way to do business. It's embarrassing. As I said, probably needed to happen but only due to the complete incompetence we've witnessed the last two months. That's also why hiring Karl, while being a good step, is only one step out of this pile of ****. Other shoe is still covered in it. We've still got this weasel running our FO and I for one can't wait for the day he's back working on political campaigns elsewhere. He's a backstabber.
I'm not going to argue whether or not the Kings did it correct. They did not.

However, let's not make Orlando saints either. It was known before Vaughn was canned that he was going to get canned, just a matter of when and how but they were making preparations for the eventual departure. The big difference was they had a plan and handled it more tactfully.
 
You know, it probably needed to happen, going and meeting with Karl if this is going to happen yet I'm not going to let this slide. PDA already completely mishandled the Malone situation as we all know but to follow that up by flying out of state to meet with another coach while you already have Corbin under contract? I've never heard of another GM doing that. But this is also the same GM who talked with Mark Jackson in the arena for two hours just a day after promoting Corbin.

Notice Orlando fired Vaughn, then pursued an open coaching search. That's how you do it.

This FO, for all their talk about culture has zero understanding of the honorable way to do business. There's no code of ethics. It's embarrassing. As I said, probably needed to happen but only due to the complete incompetence we've witnessed the last two months. That's also why hiring Karl, while being a good step, is only one step out of this pile of ****. Other shoe is still covered in it. We've still got this weasel running our FO and I for one can't wait for the day he's back working on political campaigns elsewhere. He's a backstabber.
I'm not going to give PDA a pass, either, but I will say everyone to step through Sacramento to this point has been an amateur. A rookie.

Rookie owner. Rookie coach. Rookie GM. I don't know that they know how to do things the correct way. Or at the very least, they aren't seasoned at anything. Experience just isn't there.

If PDA and Vivek are close, personally, and that is our tandem going forward, we can only hope they learn from their mistakes. Grow, get better, yadda yadda yadda.

Cuban did it.
 
I really don't need a pound of PDA's flesh in the deal anymore. Let him keep his job - he's a smart salary cap guy and can be the 'administrator' for the rest of his contract, only subtly, behind the scenes, answering to Karl.

I do hope Karl gets it in his contract that NOBODY speaks for the basketball team but Karl. Not Vivek, not D'Alessandro, not pacin Mullin, and for sure, definitely, not Leslie pacing Moore. None of them.

I don't remember Geoff Petrie second-guessing the coaching decisions
of Rick Adelman. Ever. I think once it was implied that the FO dorks were trying to get Adelman to play Jason Hart more minutes or something - and it was a joke that everybody laughed at.

Karl's street cred might be enough to take care of that issue. It would look extremely tacky for them to hire an HOF coach like Karly only for PfreakingDA to start preaching to the press about pace.

Plus, now that this would be officially PDA's hire, his name s on it, who knows maybe he'll actually back off.
 
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