Get Cousins, Rudy & Ben to the NYC All Star Game

[Glenn]

So what would happen if in protest, all the players just refused to play, intentionally foul out, make a basket for the other team. Would they all be fined? Would they all be benched? A full scale mutiny against the FO is in order.

This would be very immature and I doubt if a whole team would agree to do this. Personally I would not want a team made up of men willing to do this.

As to what would happen if such silliness should occur, each foul, misdirected shot, etc. would be handled as appropriate in the course of the game. If it were handled in such a calm fashion, I would then presume each player would be dealt with appropriately in between games. I doubt if any special rules would need to be invoked.

Are you saying a full scale mutiny against the FO is in order? I've never heard of this happening and I fear the only result would be a further diminishing of the Kings' reputation as a franchise. I don't think there is any firm knowledge of what is going on with the FO and I think the reputation of the FO is being handled with no further input of the team or us. The national media is catching on. If the FO is out of control like Marge Schott, the league can handle that if it is seemed necessary.

 

[rainmaker]

PDA is not going to turn this season around, no matter what trades he may pull off. The players will see to that. There is going to be hell to pay for this move. They way you calmly stated it has be believing you might be right about PDA getting canned soon. There does seem to be storm clouds brewing.

Is there? I'm not convinced of that. I've seen no evidence of that.

If it doesn't get better the fans might stop showing up and Cuz demands a trade, but within our FO and pertaining to Vivek I've seen nothing which suggests he's bound to take action, clean up this mess and people will lose jobs over it.

 

[Glenn]

I have a couple questions of people who pay attention to such things:

1) Do teams lobby to try to get their players into the All Star game or any of the other activities that occur during this period of time?

2) Is there any evidence that the Kings organization lobbied to get any of their players involved in the All Star game?

 

[Albatros]

Is there? I'm not convinced of that. I've seen no evidence of that.

If it doesn't get better the fans might stop showing up and Cuz demands a trade, but within our FO and pertaining to Vivek I've seen nothing which suggests he's bound to take action, clean up this mess and people will lose jobs over it.

I don't think he thinks anything is wrong, you can tell by the narrative his PR people are happy to peddle.

 

[whozit]

And that train was also carrying several dozen active nuclear warheads, resulting in a massive blast that obliterated half of the United States.

Hey, may the resulting tsunami caused by the earthquake on the pacific coast (convenient that I'm on the other side of the country ) sweep the highest peaks of Japan .

 

[whozit]

Who got selected this year that's on a losing team? (I guess you could say KD and WB but the Thunder are well over 500. when they play)

Seems like the NBA and the media have moved to only selecting guys with winning records in the West this year

This is why I got miffed at Lowe saying Davis should be in consideration for MVP. If an all-star is disqualified for being on a losing team how does someone be merited for consideration for MVP on a barely winning team?

 

[whozit]

There has to be something serious going down behind the scenes at the FO. Nothing from PDA or Vivek is telling me they're going through their own issues.

There's really no other explanation. PDA convinced Vivek to fire Malone and now Vivek is seeing this poopoo storm happen right before his eyes. He knows he messed up because of PDA. I'm thinking PDA might get canned soon unless he turn this season around asap

If he does get canned, it most likely would not be until after the trade deadline.

 

[k_dubb90]

PDA is not going to turn this season around, no matter what trades he may pull off. The players will see to that. There is going to be hell to pay for this move. They way you calmly stated it has be believing you might be right about PDA getting canned soon. There does seem to be storm clouds brewing.

Usually a FO will have something to say whenever one of their players gets snubbed out the all star, but nothing from them speaks volumes about other things going on behind the scenes that we don't know of.

I'm only making guesses as this is the most logical prediction I can come up with. Now if they're really just sitting back and eating 300$ meals at a restaurant while this is going down...then fxck the kings I'll be a legit dmc fan

 

[Chubbs]

"Cousins is questionable for Friday's game against the Cavaliers due to an ankle sprain, John Dickinson of 95.7 The Game reports." via rotowire.com

Can't imagine his desire to play through injuries is going to be as high anymore. I'd also imagine the FO won't be pushing him to play.

 

[The Hammer]

Is there? I'm not convinced of that. I've seen no evidence of that.

If it doesn't get better the fans might stop showing up and Cuz demands a trade, but within our FO and pertaining to Vivek I've seen nothing which suggests he's bound to take action, clean up this mess and people will lose jobs over it.

What I meant was that the players aren't going to let this slide. You can see on the court that there's a combination of chaos/protest/demoralization. That's what's going to force the paying of the hell: on-court catastrophe. I have a feeling it could get REALLY bad.

 

[Chubbs]

Shaq and Barkley come to Boogie's defense. Not that it matters. Coaches seem to have unilaterally decided wins matter. Which isn't remotely true in any other sport.

This is like leaving Giancarlo Stanton off the all star team cause he's stuck on the Marlins. Doesn't mean he wasn't the scariest guy to face in the majors last season.

Ernie Banks never would have made an all star team if winning mattered.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/barkley-i-dont-demarcus-cousins-hes-all-star
http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/shaq-demarcus-cousins-definitely-got-snubbed

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Again, we're not talking about what happened. We're talking about the fact that you agree that players on losing teams should not be considered for the all star game.

The reason it's an asinine statement is that being an all star is not about your team. It's about the individual. Players with better teammates or better general managers who know how to build a winning team should not be rewarded an all star spot over players who are on losing teams. People like to bring up the old "well if he's so good, why is his team not winning?" argument. A team's success is not solely dependent on one player. A poster like yourself who always comments on how we need higher IQ players, players who pass the ball more, share the ball more, rotate better on defense, play more team ball, etc. should understand that it's not just about one player when it comes to winning. It takes a 5 person unit playing as one.

You bring up an argument that players who put up good stats on a winning team should get the nod over players who put up good stats on losing teams. However, in Cousins case, it's more like "why shouldn't players that are putting up good stats on winning teams not get in ahead of guys putting up excellent stats on losing teams."

Another thing to keep in mind is that we were a winning team at the start of the year. We were 9-6 with the 2nd toughest schedule at the time while our coaching staff was stable. Then our FO decides to disrupt that stability by firing Malone and replacing him with the assistant. How many teams have played winning ball after having a coaching change mid season while the coach they bring in is a bottom tier coach? My guess is not many.

Again, using winning as your main metric or even any kind of significant metric in determining all stars is the lazy approach. Knowing human nature, it makes sense why such a large group of people determine all stars that way.

People who want to dismiss or disregard the performances of players on bad teams love to parrot Kenny Smith's "looter in a riot" catchphrase. Only that's not what's happening here. You can't compare Cousins' numbers to, like, Nikola Vucevic, putting up 19/11 against single coverage. Cousins is facing double and triple teams every night, and still putting up 24/12; that's the opposite of a looter in a riot.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

People who want to dismiss or disregard the performances of players on bad teams love to parrot Kenny Smith's "looter in a riot" catchphrase. Only that's not what's happening here. You can't compare Cousins' numbers to, like, Nikola Vucevic, putting up 19/11 against single coverage. Cousins is facing double and triple teams every night, and still putting up 24/12; that's the opposite of a looter in a riot.

More like stealing from the police station during broad daylight, that.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

Congrats big fella. Well deserved.

 

[Sac.1989]

big thankyou to all that voted, campaigned, shouted boogies name from the rooftops

 

[Bricklayer]

big thankyou to all that voted, campaigned, shouted boogies name from the rooftops

Agreed.

And I just want it known right now that I don't want to leave this up to the craphead coaches next year.

I think I may contact a few of the other fan sites about trying to organize a large get out the vote campaign next year. the great thing about the twitter voting is that retweets count so there is almost no work involved. But I am thinking all the various ways to vote. All it takes is numbers.

 

[John Galt]

I spend a lot of time on twitter and I honestly didn't realize that Re-tweeting all those DMC hashtags would count as votes. I voted a few times - could have voted more. All of us could have. Next year lets make him a starter.

 

[Bricklayer]

I spend a lot of time on twitter and I honestly didn't realize that Re-tweeting all those DMC hashtags would count as votes. I voted a few times - could have voted more. All of us could have. Next year lets make him a starter.

Part of the plan is this simple: use a twitter account to send out daily "pulses" to a large mailing list, with the hashtag as part of it. Everybody else just needs to check in to twitter and retweet the daily message. Gotta wonder if the NBA might frown upon that and try to change the rules, but doubt they would do so mid campaign. Something similar on facebook, but just a reminder there, perhaps with a link to nba.com's voting page for the third method.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

There's still the 'tween idol' option, too. With Bieber repping Toronto, maybe we can get one of those girls from one of those Disney shows to stump for the Kings. I'll have to ask my son who's popular these days.

 

[VF21]

I spend a lot of time on twitter and I honestly didn't realize that Re-tweeting all those DMC hashtags would count as votes. I voted a few times - could have voted more. All of us could have. Next year lets make him a starter.

So you seriously didn't see my 100+ retweets a day?

 

[John Galt]

So you seriously didn't see my 100+ retweets a day?

Lol I just thought you were being your exuberant self there. But it isn't all on my shoulders DMC didnt make it I hope

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

Part of the plan is this simple: use a twitter account to send out daily "pulses" to a large mailing list, with the hashtag as part of it. Everybody else just needs to check in to twitter and retweet the daily message. Gotta wonder if the NBA might frown upon that and try to change the rules, but doubt they would do so mid campaign. Something similar on facebook, but just a reminder there, perhaps with a link to nba.com's voting page for the third method.

Yup, I've been saying... we have well over 2000 members here. Some of them don't use twitter. It would be best to impose a mandatory daily vote in order to allow each member to log on. Direct pop ups of the NBA.com all star ballot every time someone visits kingsfans.com so it takes the work out for the lazy.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yup, I've been saying... we have well over 2000 members here. Some of them don't use twitter. It would be best to impose a mandatory daily vote in order to allow each member to log on. Direct pop ups of the NBA.com all star ballot every time someone visits kingsfans.com so it takes the work out for the lazy.

Or chases them from the site.

Don't think Jeremy would go for pop upping his own site, but at the very least we might be able to add some sort of tag/badge info on the spalsh page, stickied threads here.

But in the end, much as we can make an impact with KF alone, I think I will talk to some of the other people in the community. I'm not sure how actual semi-media types will feel about helping game the system, but obviously STR, maybe head out to the realgm folks and other disaspora. CD, etc. Make it a cohesive campaign with some central social media pages though.

My math is this:

Griffin was the 3rd frontcourt guy at 700,000 votes. Boogie was 7th at 465,000 votes. That leaves a gap of 235,000 votes to make up. Let's round that to 240,000 to make the math simpler.

Now the thing is, I don't remember the exact span of days for the voting, don't remember when polls opened. But I certainly think it was about 60 days. Late Nov to late Jan. So we need 240,000 more votes over about 60 days = 4,000 votes a day, but scattered over 4-6 different ways to vote. Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/Facebook/text/NBA.com site?

If you had 1000 different people voting 4 different ways every day, you would get to your number. That is not entirely undoable. And if you can up that number to 2,000 people overall, or the more likely core 1,000+ thousands of part timers occasionally chipping in...its actually a reachable goal.

Now the thing that has to be acknowledged is that many of the most likely particpants were probably already voting in one or more ways on many days. So even if they are more disicplined you're not going to get a full bump from them. You still need to reach a significant of new people/people who don't normally vote much. But the math says you don't have to reach an impossible number of people. You just have to help them vote consistently. Its a doable thing if we get together and start enlisting people we know etc.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Great article on Cousins on ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/72134/everybody-hates-loves-boogie

"What really makes Cousins special is how his neolithic, brute-force game is built on trickery and cunning. He assists a higher percentage of his team’s baskets than Marc Gasol and Joakim Noah, both lauded for their passing ability. Cousins is as liable to take a charge as he is to block a shot, making him a very confusing player to attack. The Kings, who are 19.8 points per 100 possessions worse with Cousins on the bench, rely on him to be their scorer, facilitator, defensive fulcrum and spiritual center, all at once."

 

[PurpleHaze]

"What really makes Cousins special is how his neolithic, brute-force game is built on trickery and cunning. He assists a higher percentage of his team’s baskets than Marc Gasol and Joakim Noah, both lauded for their passing ability. Cousins is as liable to take a charge as he is to block a shot, making him a very confusing player to attack. The Kings, who are 19.8 points per 100 possessions worse with Cousins on the bench, rely on him to be their scorer, facilitator, defensive fulcrum and spiritual center, all at once."

WOW, THAT MIGHT BE THE MOST PROFOUND QUOTE I'VE EVEN SEEN ON KINGS ''SPIRITUAL" CENTER DEMARCUS COUSINS.

 

[Bricklayer]

Great article on Cousins on ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/72134/everybody-hates-loves-boogie

"What really makes Cousins special is how his neolithic, brute-force game is built on trickery and cunning. He assists a higher percentage of his team’s baskets than Marc Gasol and Joakim Noah, both lauded for their passing ability. Cousins is as liable to take a charge as he is to block a shot, making him a very confusing player to attack. The Kings, who are 19.8 points per 100 possessions worse with Cousins on the bench, rely on him to be their scorer, facilitator, defensive fulcrum and spiritual center, all at once."

Yep, good enough that I am going to move it out on its own rather than have it just buried in here.

 

[Chubbs]

With AD hurt last night, Blake having surgery tomorrow, any chance Boogie moves right into the starting lineup?

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

With AD hurt last night, Blake having surgery tomorrow, any chance Boogie moves right into the starting lineup?

The AD injury... this is why I never like it when bigs are too reliant on an above the rim game. Eventually, the impact, falling and getting hit catches up to you and your body starts shutting down like Dwight Howard. I know AD has a more complete game than Dwight, but he is still based mostly on his athletic abilities.

If AD is out through the all star game, there is a chance for Boogie to start. But then again, Kerr is coaching and they love to run and gun.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Where are the Boogie allstar jerseys at?

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Along with Kobe and Blake Griffin missing the game, Anthony Davis is now out too. Cousins could be in for a lot of playing time. Gasol, Aldridge (playing through a hand injury so probbaly won't play much), Duncan(doesn't care to play much), are the only other bigs