Get Cousins, Rudy & Ben to the NYC All Star Game

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Seeing as they are basically only selecting guys from winning teams (and rightfully so) I don't thin DMC will have to worry about that I will be shocked if he beats out Lillard/Monta/Conley.

I still want to know, when did that become inviolate? If numbers don't matter if you're a loser, then how come Kevin Love is a two-time coaches' selection? What's up with that? The year that Love was selected, by the coaches, to his first All-Star game, his team went 17-65.

They're all ****ing hypocrites, that's what the real deal is.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Seeing as they are basically only selecting guys from winning teams (and rightfully so)

oh jesus

 

[John Galt]

they're pretty silent right now

Minority owner Andy Miller said something. That's it though as far as I've seen, and who knows he might have to take it down like he did the last time he spoke up about the Kings.

I like Miller I wish he would buy Vivek out and take over as managing general partner. He's not so stubborn or crazy.

 

[KingMilz]

BS rightfully so. A lot of games from losing teams have been select before (many who weren't putting up Cuz #). And the winning thing misses so much context that shouldn't have a bearing on a game recognizing the best individual talents.

Who got selected this year that's on a losing team? (I guess you could say KD and WB but the Thunder are well over 500. when they play)

Seems like the NBA and the media have moved to only selecting guys with winning records in the West this year

 

[KingMilz]

Honestly with the way the Kings have played since they fired Mike Malone not a single player (or any person within the organization coach/FO) on this team deserves a damn thing, they have completely bailed on Ty (who might be terrible...probably is) and some of the efforts that have been put in by the players have been below disgusting.

The fans deserve better than what we are going from the organization as whole

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Who got selected this year that's on a losing team? (I guess you could say KD and WB but the Thunder are well over 500. when they play)

Seems like the NBA and the media have moved to only selecting guys with winning records in the West this year

Dwyane Wade? Chris Bosh?

 

[KingMilz]

Dwyane Wade? Chris Bosh?

Sorry I was meant to put in the West (which I did later int he sentence), Eastern Conference is different if Cuz was int he East other than his rookie season he would have been a All Star every single year.

 

[twslam07]

Who got selected this year that's on a losing team? (I guess you could say KD and WB but the Thunder are well over 500. when they play)

Seems like the NBA and the media have moved to only selecting guys with winning records in the West this year

That's not what's being debated here. You mentioned "rightfully so" as if someone would agree with only selecting players from winning teams for the all star game. What a load of s***.

Not to mention, Kobe was selected and his Lakers have been nothing but horrible this year.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Who got selected this year that's on a losing team? (I guess you could say KD and WB but the Thunder are well over 500. when they play)

But they don't play. So they shouldn't be All-Stars. By your argument, Dragic should have made it before Westbrook, too.

Nine teams in the western conference are ahead of the Thunder, and two of them don't have any All-Stars. Why the hell should Oklahoma City get two?

 

[VF21]

Oh, and for the record - if I was Demarcus (and my mentality is pretty close to his), I would seriously, and knowingly, refuse the "honor" of being an All-Star sub for Kobe if Silver announces him tomorrow.
I wouldn't care what people say, and wouldn't care what the perception would be - they have made it clear that they hate him anyway - there's little to lose at this point.
If he's not good enough to be an All-Star straight-out, then **** them.

Yeah, I so totally disagree with this.

If Silver does name DMC tomorrow, then DeMarcus goes there and proves just how wrong all those coaches were. And I'm pretty sure most of his teammates on the West will be more than willing to help him.

Once he's there, nobody is going to belittle him for being an injury replacement. That's not how it works.

 

[sdballer]

But they don't play. So they shouldn't be All-Stars. By your argument, Dragic should have made it before Westbrook, too.

Nine teams in the western conference are ahead of the Thunder, and two of them don't have any All-Stars. Why the hell should Oklahoma City get two?

And if that's the unofficial rule they like to selectively toss out (like not being injured) whenever it's convenient, just make it an official rule. Only players from top 10 teams can make the ASG.

 

[VF21]

wow. i'm dumbfounded.

the last potential silver lining to the season snatched away.

No, not yet. We still have to wait for Adam Silver's announcement tomorrow.

 

[KingMilz]

But they don't play. So they shouldn't be All-Stars. By your argument, Dragic should have made it before Westbrook, too.

Nine teams in the western conference are ahead of the Thunder, and two of them don't have any All-Stars. Why the hell should Oklahoma City get two?

Lillard and Monta should have both got in ahead of Westbrook, I'm not sure Dragic has even been the best Suns player this year Bledsoe and the better Morris twin imo have been better than him (I have watched only about 10-12 Suns games).

That's not what's being debated here. You mentioned "rightfully so" as if someone would agree with only selecting players from winning teams for the all star game. What a load of s***.

But that's what they basically did this year is it not (in the West)? Why shouldn't players that are putting up good stats on winning teams not get in ahead of guys putting up stats on losing teams?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

But that's what they basically did this year is it not (in the West)? Why shouldn't players that are putting up good stats on winning teams not get in ahead of guys putting up stats on losing teams?

Because the All-Star team is not supposed to be a measure of who puts up stats on winning teams. That's not what it was created for. That's what the All-NBA team is for.

 

[KingMilz]

Because the All-Star team is not supposed to be a measure of who puts up stats on winning teams. That's not what it was created for. That's what the All-NBA team is for.

If that's the case get Jamal Crawford/Tyreke Evans/Gerald Green and these guys to play the All-Star game to make it exciting since its for the "fans"

 

[Glenn]

Well, at the very least Chris Granger seems to at least give a ****.

Chris Granger ‏@cgkings 3h3 hours ago
#VoteCousins

This is the FO's attempt at getting Boogie on the AS team, I take it. Unless, I am really off, it's even too late to have a vote count.

The organization should have organized a big push to get Boogie on the team. Maybe at least one of them has figured it out and a better attempt will be made next year. I wonder what othr teams do. Like how did Duncan get picked?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

If that's the case get Jamal Crawford/Tyreke Evans/Gerald Green and these guys to play the All-Star game to make it exciting since its for the "fans"

You're obviously being facetious, but those suggestions aren't nearly as far-fetched as you think they are. All three of those guys are important players on winning teams, and all three of them are playing well. And all three of those teams have better records than Oklahoma City.

 

[Glenn]

Minority owner Andy Miller said something. That's it though as far as I've seen, and who knows he might have to take it down like he did the last time he spoke up about the Kings.

I like Miller I wish he would buy Vivek out and take over as managing general partner. He's not so stubborn or crazy.

The managing partner does not have to have the biggest part of the ownership. It can be any of the partners that the group of partners. It all depends on how the partnership agreement is written. Heck, Shaq could be the managing partner not that I would want that.

 

[macadocious]

Speaking of Shaq has he said anything since Malone was canned?

 

[Tetsujin]

The managing partner does not have to have the biggest part of the ownership. It can be any of the partners that the group of partners. It all depends on how the partnership agreement is written. Heck, Shaq could be the managing partner not that I would want that.

To be fair to Shaq, its hard to imagine him doing any worse than PDA and crew have done in the past four months

 

[John Galt]

Maybe Vivek CAN be ousted then? If a coalition of the other minority owners got together could they move Crazy Vivek to the back of the class? They all have a lot of money riding on this too, and Vivek has torched more good will in a shorter time than anyone would have dreamed possible just two months ago. Maybe the other guys have recourse.

 

[Glenn]

To be fair to Shaq, its hard to imagine him doing any worse than PDA and crew have done in the past four months

I thought of that as I posted the note.

 

[twslam07]

But that's what they basically did this year is it not (in the West)? Why shouldn't players that are putting up good stats on winning teams not get in ahead of guys putting up stats on losing teams?

Again, we're not talking about what happened. We're talking about the fact that you agree that players on losing teams should not be considered for the all star game.

The reason it's an asinine statement is that being an all star is not about your team. It's about the individual. Players with better teammates or better general managers who know how to build a winning team should not be rewarded an all star spot over players who are on losing teams. People like to bring up the old "well if he's so good, why is his team not winning?" argument. A team's success is not solely dependent on one player. A poster like yourself who always comments on how we need higher IQ players, players who pass the ball more, share the ball more, rotate better on defense, play more team ball, etc. should understand that it's not just about one player when it comes to winning. It takes a 5 person unit playing as one.

You bring up an argument that players who put up good stats on a winning team should get the nod over players who put up good stats on losing teams. However, in Cousins case, it's more like "why shouldn't players that are putting up good stats on winning teams not get in ahead of guys putting up excellent stats on losing teams."

Another thing to keep in mind is that we were a winning team at the start of the year. We were 9-6 with the 2nd toughest schedule at the time while our coaching staff was stable. Then our FO decides to disrupt that stability by firing Malone and replacing him with the assistant. How many teams have played winning ball after having a coaching change mid season while the coach they bring in is a bottom tier coach? My guess is not many.

Again, using winning as your main metric or even any kind of significant metric in determining all stars is the lazy approach. Knowing human nature, it makes sense why such a large group of people determine all stars that way.

 

[Glenn]

Maybe Vivek CAN be ousted then? If a coalition of the other minority owners got together could they move Crazy Vivek to the back of the class? They all have a lot of money riding on this too, and Vivek has torched more good will in a shorter time than anyone would have dreamed possible just two months ago. Maybe the other guys have recourse.

MAYBE. I am sure there is no way we could find out.

 

[k_dubb90]

There has to be something serious going down behind the scenes at the FO. Nothing from PDA or Vivek is telling me they're going through their own issues.

There's really no other explanation. PDA convinced Vivek to fire Malone and now Vivek is seeing this crap storm happen right before his eyes. He knows he messed up because of PDA. I'm thinking PDA might get canned soon unless he turn this season around asap

 

[KingMilz]

Again, we're not talking about what happened. We're talking about the fact that you agree that players on losing teams should not be considered for the all star game.

The reason it's an asinine statement is that being an all star is not about your team. It's about the individual. Players with better teammates or better general managers who know how to build a winning team should not be rewarded an all star spot over players who are on losing teams. People like to bring up the old "well if he's so good, why is his team not winning?" argument. A team's success is not solely dependent on one player. A poster like yourself who always comments on how we need higher IQ players, players who pass the ball more, share the ball more, rotate better on defense, play more team ball, etc. should understand that it's not just about one player when it comes to winning. It takes a 5 person unit playing as one.

You bring up an argument that players who put up good stats on a winning team should get the nod over players who put up good stats on losing teams. However, in Cousins case, it's more like "why shouldn't players that are putting up good stats on winning teams not get in ahead of guys putting up excellent stats on losing teams."

Another thing to keep in mind is that we were a winning team at the start of the year. We were 9-6 with the 2nd toughest schedule at the time while our coaching staff was stable. Then our FO decides to disrupt that stability by firing Malone and replacing him with the assistant. How many teams have played winning ball after having a coaching change mid season while the coach they bring in is a bottom tier coach? My guess is not many.

Again, using winning as your main metric or even any kind of significant metric in determining all stars is the lazy approach. Knowing human nature, it makes sense why such a large group of people determine all stars that way.

Tbh after the 9-6 Cuz has not done a good job in any of these aspects (aside from a handful of games). I just feel like Cuz has not been all that effective for the most part since Malone's firing,he's basically drifted away from the rim become less efficient/impactful and is playing something like Josh Smith with ridiculous turnovers/stupid fouls and terrible shot selection while blocking some shots. He's basically doing what he was like two years ago except now he's got the ball more.

If he played at the same level/impact he did during those first 15 (which was really spectacular) or so since Malone got fired I would understand him being a snub but I just don't feel like he's been much of a factor in very many games since.

 

[jaysutton2003]

If I see one more hang loose sign from Vivek and co. I'm going to lose it Hes not from Hawaii and he's not 17...

 

[The Hammer]

There has to be something serious going down behind the scenes at the FO. Nothing from PDA or Vivek is telling me they're going through their own issues.

There's really no other explanation. PDA convinced Vivek to fire Malone and now Vivek is seeing this poopoo storm happen right before his eyes. He knows he messed up because of PDA. I'm thinking PDA might get canned soon unless he turn this season around asap

PDA is not going to turn this season around, no matter what trades he may pull off. The players will see to that. There is going to be hell to pay for this move. They way you calmly stated it has be believing you might be right about PDA getting canned soon. There does seem to be storm clouds brewing.

 

[hrdboild]

If he played at the same level/impact he did during those first 15 (which was really spectacular) or so since Malone got fired I would understand him being a snub but I just don't feel like he's been much of a factor in very many games since.

If 24 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.6 blocks, and 1.4 steals per game in only 34 minutes is not making much of an impact, then we're going to have to rethink the whole basketball hall of fame because there's a good 150 or so players who don't belong there. I understand why coaches might think it wise to award players on winning teams spots over comparable players on losing teams but that's as far as that goes. If one of the most dominant players in the league happens to be saddled with a crappy team (and/or major front office dysfunction and deliberate sabotage) that does not make his individual achievement any less impressive.

Get underneath all the pandering doubletalk and this is about one thing only: Sacramento. Put DeMarcus on the Knicks or the Lakers or the Celtics with the same stats and the same team record and he's not only an All Star, he's a starter. That's not fair to DeMarcus and it's not fair to us fans. All of the players selected for the team are talented players but come on, nobody else in the league is capable of doing what Cousins is doing right now. I'm tired of being treated like a second-class citizen because I root for Sacramento. Brick is right -- we need to massively organize for the voting next season because our guy deserves to start in the All Star game. If they won't show us any respect, we'll simply have to demand it the hard way. Show them Sacramento fans are still a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Tmassfan4life]

So what would happen if in protest, all the players just refused to play, intentionally foul out, make a basket for the other team. Would they all be fined? Would they all be benched? A full scale mutiny against the FO is in order.