Official Fire PDA thread
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Agreed....somewhere someone got the idea that the GM runs the on the floor product. A good GM would have said to himself....ok, Malone has this thing going in the right direction, lets roll with it and see where it goes. But no, someone forgot to put their big boy pants on and threw a fit and went with Vivek's bestest buddy Christopher and stomped his feet until Vivek relented and gave in to the guy who forgot to wear his big boy pants. Mikey got shown the door and the one who didn't wear his big boy pants lived happily ever after.....but not quite because apparently there was a bunch of people who are called fans and season ticket holders who were having a problem with the one who didn't wear his big boy pants and the decision that happened because of his tantrum. Why don't these people just trust me...the one who forgot to wear his big boy pants thought....maybe if I stomp my feet and tell them that they are getting a new arena they will forget about this. But he did tell all about the shiny new arena and still they were not happy. Now the one who forgot to wear his big boy pants thinks, I just won't be anywhere that anyone can ask me questions now and maybe it will alllll go away. To be continued.....
I don't know about anyone else, but my feelings towards the front office have not changed because of tonight's game. Had the Kings NOT beaten a decimated James-less Cavaliers, I can guarantee the phones would have been ringing off the hooks to any and all Kings numbers tomorrow with fans beyond fed up with everything.
You're stirring the pot, dude, on a consistent basis and it's starting to get annoying.
You're stirring the pot, dude, on a consistent basis and it's starting to get annoying.
Sure do, Pete...err, excuse me...."Pace." It was a nice win against a no-LeBron Cavs team, but what if it had been The School for the Blind or some other more robust competitor? The recent actions by the Kings Front Office has sharply changed their reputation around the league from visionary to laughing stock, and for good reason. As long-tenured fans, many of us embraced, believed, and supported this FO, and - to our discredit - it wasn't until the bus we'd been thrown under had started rolling that we finally realized what had happened. We're well beyond "pissed" at this point, and it's only getting worse.
(To be fair, I don't blame PDO specifically....spineless yes-gerbils are a dime a dozen, and if he doesn't do what it takes to keep his lofty position and comfy paycheck, another whiskery replacement will be happy to step right in. In any event, his fate has stopped being of any concern.)
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(To be fair, I don't blame PDO specifically....spineless yes-gerbils are a dime a dozen, and if he doesn't do what it takes to keep his lofty position and comfy paycheck, another whiskery replacement will be happy to step right in. In any event, his fate has stopped being of any concern.)
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Lets say for the sake of argument that you are right, that unlike just about every other GM in the league not named Phil, PDA HAS a system (The "System" up in Reno perhaps?) and that Malone was not a fit. Maybe we even accept your claim that Malone was never more than a stopgap in the first place. Then we have to truly wonder about a guy who fires a successful stopgap with no one on tap to take his place. In short who is Pete's guy? Corbin, the Malone pick who asked Malone before signing on? Otherwise why put one stopgap in for another? It seems pointless to me. If Pete has a guy say for example, Alvin Gentry who can not come on board until after the season due to contract why not let the guy winning games finish up the year? If his guy is say for example George Karl a proven winner who is available now why not just bring him on board now? Who is Pete's guy? Is it really Tyrone Corbin? I suppose PDA may have a "system" and a vision but no coach in mind, but that does not seem like much of a vision to me.
There is of course an alternative theory. Pete does have a vision, and he does have a guy but without any experience as a head coach or a bad track record and the only way he could see to replace Malone with him was if Malone failed. So the St. John's crew few out to Sin City while Boogie was down and the team dropped below .500, and then he got Malone out. Now it's a waiting game before he can put his guy in place. (This is just one possible alternative theory)
If you are right all we fans have to do is sit back and wait for the genius to unfold before us. If I am right fans ought to keep the owners feet to the fire so that the next coach is NOT an elevated assistant or Reno coach uber-focused on offense. It would be our duty to hold PDA accountable for his decisions and demand the kind of coach that can take the team to the next level of NBA play stressing hard play on each end of the court.
There is of course an alternative theory. Pete does have a vision, and he does have a guy but without any experience as a head coach or a bad track record and the only way he could see to replace Malone with him was if Malone failed. So the St. John's crew few out to Sin City while Boogie was down and the team dropped below .500, and then he got Malone out. Now it's a waiting game before he can put his guy in place. (This is just one possible alternative theory)
If you are right all we fans have to do is sit back and wait for the genius to unfold before us. If I am right fans ought to keep the owners feet to the fire so that the next coach is NOT an elevated assistant or Reno coach uber-focused on offense. It would be our duty to hold PDA accountable for his decisions and demand the kind of coach that can take the team to the next level of NBA play stressing hard play on each end of the court.
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I've thought about that as a possibility and it still makes no sense to me. Even if the Kings barely missed the playoffs or just barely snuck in as an 8th seed under Malone the FO could replace him in the offseason with Mullin and make the argument that they needed an offensive mind to take the Kings to the next level. I'd still be angry, but not as angry as firing a coach the team respected midseason with no apparent successor in mind. At least then it looks like a thought out plan instead of a bizarre knee jerk reaction.
Nearly a month later and I'm still baffled as to the actual reason Malone was fired.
Nearly a month later and I'm still baffled as to the actual reason Malone was fired.
Agree with the sentiment that the Cavs team sucks, but that's only part of the story. The game showed:
1- we are no longer in a free fall. It takes composure to hold a big lead over three quarters, without allowing ANY significant challenge, no matter who you are playing.
2- the game was a clear demonstration of the talent level, chemistry, and fit of this roster (evidence of PDA's talent w/r/to personnel moves, but obviously not about coaching decisions).
3- the team moved towards tighter rotations, which might have been based on analytic data of who best plays together (granted the latter point is conjecture). Whether this keeps working remains to be seen, but it is cause for hope.
Yes, this was a quiz and not a final exam (or even a midterm). We are obviously still in wait and see mode, especially when it comes to more coaching and roster moves, but you can't discount entirely what we saw yesterday
1- we are no longer in a free fall. It takes composure to hold a big lead over three quarters, without allowing ANY significant challenge, no matter who you are playing.
2- the game was a clear demonstration of the talent level, chemistry, and fit of this roster (evidence of PDA's talent w/r/to personnel moves, but obviously not about coaching decisions).
3- the team moved towards tighter rotations, which might have been based on analytic data of who best plays together (granted the latter point is conjecture). Whether this keeps working remains to be seen, but it is cause for hope.
Yes, this was a quiz and not a final exam (or even a midterm). We are obviously still in wait and see mode, especially when it comes to more coaching and roster moves, but you can't discount entirely what we saw yesterday
I agree with points 1 & 3. The Kings needed overtime to beat an awful Knicks team at home just a few games ago so even a struggling Cavs team missing Lebron and 4 other players isn't a gimmie win and the guys went out and got the job done. And I like Corbin's rotations for the most part. He had a feeling out period (starting Hollins when JT was ostensibly healthy? Inexplicably giving Williams more minutes?) but what he's settled into I like. It means no Reggie Evans but that's what happens when you only have one bench player (just Landry with Omri out) who can score the ball. I especially liked seeing Cousins helping stabilize the second unit. Hopefully the extra minutes don't wear the big fella down.
But I'm not sure I can agree on point 2. Corbin has coached one game without Cousins and the Kings lost. I'm still not convinced that this Kings roster is all that talented, but I AM convinced that Cousins is absolutely irreplaceable on the team. I think he really makes everyone else better and elevates his team. What would you (and I mean you in the collective sense) guess the Kings record for the rest of the year would be if Cousins was lost for the season today? Don't get me wrong - I like the Collison signing and love that Ben has made strides but is there anyone who doesn't think the Kings would be one of the five worst teams in the league without Boogie?
But I'm not sure I can agree on point 2. Corbin has coached one game without Cousins and the Kings lost. I'm still not convinced that this Kings roster is all that talented, but I AM convinced that Cousins is absolutely irreplaceable on the team. I think he really makes everyone else better and elevates his team. What would you (and I mean you in the collective sense) guess the Kings record for the rest of the year would be if Cousins was lost for the season today? Don't get me wrong - I like the Collison signing and love that Ben has made strides but is there anyone who doesn't think the Kings would be one of the five worst teams in the league without Boogie?
Fair enough, since the fireing still baffles most of us (my self included) and the professional sportswriters as well. I just tossed out one possible explanation for the puzzling move. The theory does depend on the idea that there was an unsettled power struggle between Malone and PDA for the best direction for the team with Ranadive being an undecided arbitrator. But i would be lieing if I said I knew a dam thing and honestly can post four or five equally unsatisfactory theories.
One of the things that confuses me most is Ranadive coming out and saying that the team would win more games under Corbin and make the playoffs. Really odd. Not, "we're moving in a different direction that we think is best long term" but "we're going to be better immediately after this move". Very strange.
Is that because Ranadive made the call to fire Malone and thought he was drastically underperforming and actually holding the team back as their head coach? Or is it because D'Alessandro and/or Mullin convinced him that the team would be better THIS season if Malone were fired?
Either way, really odd and shows a lack of understanding of NBA basketball.
Is that because Ranadive made the call to fire Malone and thought he was drastically underperforming and actually holding the team back as their head coach? Or is it because D'Alessandro and/or Mullin convinced him that the team would be better THIS season if Malone were fired?
Either way, really odd and shows a lack of understanding of NBA basketball.
It sucks to say but honestly I have gone back to the old days about being incredibly conflicted about "wins". Probably more conflicted now than I ever have since I started liking this team in 2001. Why you ask?
A win for this team equates to another day Boogie doesn't tear down the entire building. It's a another day where Rudy, DMC, and DC can build some chemistry. And it's just nice to see your team win.
However, a win is another game where the gerbil can say "See I told you this can work it just takes time." It's another day where people can step back from wanting to put a real coach in. It's another day that people don't get their pitchforks out.
So to me, at least in the short-term, wins are a setback. Because every win in the short-term means we are going to stay on the path of throwing this season away.
A win for this team equates to another day Boogie doesn't tear down the entire building. It's a another day where Rudy, DMC, and DC can build some chemistry. And it's just nice to see your team win.
However, a win is another game where the gerbil can say "See I told you this can work it just takes time." It's another day where people can step back from wanting to put a real coach in. It's another day that people don't get their pitchforks out.
So to me, at least in the short-term, wins are a setback. Because every win in the short-term means we are going to stay on the path of throwing this season away.
I think it depends on how we win.
Is it an empty overtime win against a crappy team, where the only reason we won is because we scored an extra basket? Was it a sloppy game throughout? I do not like those wins, nor do I want them, as they generally follow PDA's request for "pace". Run - n - gun.
Did good defense transition to easy offense? I want those wins, and it seems like the players like those wins.
Is it an empty overtime win against a crappy team, where the only reason we won is because we scored an extra basket? Was it a sloppy game throughout? I do not like those wins, nor do I want them, as they generally follow PDA's request for "pace". Run - n - gun.
Did good defense transition to easy offense? I want those wins, and it seems like the players like those wins.
I don't think they'll hide behind that as a reason, but it remains the most logical explanation for suddenly switching direction mid-season. If they do have a plan and they know Malone is not their guy, why butt heads all season when you could dismiss him now, pile on some losses with an interim coach, and squeeze one last lotto pick out of it? The draft does look very strong this year. It reminds me of the 2008 draft depth-wise. The whole top 10 is solid and then some. We were undoubtedly too good with Malone as the coach to keep that pick. It remains to be seen if we will still be too good under Corbin. Not making a judgement on the wisdom of that (hypothetical) decision. Just saying it would explain some otherwise inexplicable behavior.
I don't think they'll hide behind that as a reason, but it remains the most logical explanation for suddenly switching direction mid-season. If they do have a plan and they know Malone is not their guy, why butt heads all season when you could dismiss him now, pile on some losses with an interim coach, and squeeze one last lotto pick out of it? The draft does look very strong this year. It reminds me of the 2008 draft depth-wise. The whole top 10 is solid and then some. We were undoubtedly too good with Malone as the coach to keep that pick. It remains to be seen if we will still be too good under Corbin. Not making a judgement on the wisdom of that (hypothetical) decision. Just saying it would explain some otherwise inexplicable behavior.
Doesn't equate with Vivek's silly post Corbin statement anyway. Nor does it equate with the reality of having DeMarcus Cousins on your team entering his prime. That pick is out of here to Cleveland I think it is now at the end of the season.
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