Official Fire PDA thread
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This Kings season is on its way to being a disaster. No way Corbin gets replaced this season and no way PDA gets fired anytime soon. The Malone termination is also in the hands of Vivek because he went along with PDA on this or it could be ALL on Vivek and PDA is mopping up for the boss and doing a terrible job at it. Anyways, it sure feels to me that the F.O. wanted to tank this season.
Id trust JR if Malone were here he is a people person. JR/Shumpart would have made us a playoff team with malone here that's what pisses me off. All PDA needed to do was get 2 bench players we didn't need any starting players just fill in the bench and we would have been a playoff team this year and a possible top 4-6 team in the west next year eith improvements by Ben/DMC.
Have you fired anyone in your life?
Honestly, I think PDA was classy in handling the firing of Malone. You just don't say in public that your worker sucks that is why you fired him, for fear of ruining the career of the fired worker. Actually, the "philosophical difference" excuse, as flimsy as it is might be, is the most kind-hearted and appropriate reason to say publicly in this case.
Read this from one of those who were there during the interview:
Honestly, I think PDA was classy in handling the firing of Malone. You just don't say in public that your worker sucks that is why you fired him, for fear of ruining the career of the fired worker. Actually, the "philosophical difference" excuse, as flimsy as it is might be, is the most kind-hearted and appropriate reason to say publicly in this case.
Read this from one of those who were there during the interview:
I've fired plenty of people but I sure as hell tried to make sure I had a good enough reason, a thought given to how it would impact the rest of my employees and most of all a plan for how to produce more with a new person.
And I would have never dared suggest people "trust me because I know better" when something didn't go right.
And I would have never dared suggest people "trust me because I know better" when something didn't go right.
I think Vivek is behind most of the final calls on this guys. PDA is his puppet. Vivek has an image he wants the Kings to be and PDA is going to try to create that for him.
Chris Mullin will be the Kings coach come May 1, 2015. Put it in the books and send him to the line (of fire).
If this all fails comes May 2016, PDA will take the fall, because he did not get the necessary players to make it succeed. This is NBA 3.0.
Chris Mullin will be the Kings coach come May 1, 2015. Put it in the books and send him to the line (of fire).
If this all fails comes May 2016, PDA will take the fall, because he did not get the necessary players to make it succeed. This is NBA 3.0.
Yes, I've had to fire people. And there's a lot of reasons for it, but mainly (if eliminating downsizing from the conversation) it comes down to either completely inappropriate behavior or someone not doing their job well enough and requiring someone better in their place. I assume we can eliminate the former.
If so, are you convinced that Tyrone Corbin is a better coach than Malone? Are you convinced that (as Vivek said) the team will now win more games and make the playoffs?
If not, it was a bad firing that hurts the company.
If so, are you convinced that Tyrone Corbin is a better coach than Malone? Are you convinced that (as Vivek said) the team will now win more games and make the playoffs?
If not, it was a bad firing that hurts the company.
I will throw this out there: there could be reasons behind this firing that none of us know. Fans may think they know what is going on, but in fact we are all very, very far from the situation. There could have been things that occured that we simply do not know and probably will never know.
It is possible that things happened which made the coaching change neccessary, things that the FO would not want to discuss publicly even if they are taking a beating. They could be taking the high road as they are being called every name in the book by fans who "do not know what they do not know."
I am not saying things we don't know did, in fact, happen. But rather, it is a possibility.
It is possible that things happened which made the coaching change neccessary, things that the FO would not want to discuss publicly even if they are taking a beating. They could be taking the high road as they are being called every name in the book by fans who "do not know what they do not know."
I am not saying things we don't know did, in fact, happen. But rather, it is a possibility.
I absolutely agree with you that there are numerous possible reasons why Malone was fired, and that we may NEVER know why they made that decision.
I also agree that when you fire an (ex) employee you need to handle it with care and respect.
However - there is at least one additional factor in this equation. The fans. And they deserve (at least) the same amount of care and respect.
Providing answers to arising questions in the line of 'just trust me' or 'I have experience and therefore I know what I am doing' does not, in any way of form, provide the fans with any sense of respect. It is borderline condescending. Add statements interpreted as 'we are now a better team' or 'with Ty we are heading to the playoff' and most of the people who actually look at the product you are putting on the floor might go as far as saying you are delusional...
The FO failed miserably while trying to balance different factors in a very complicated and delicate situation.
And the irony here is that many people feel they did not need to put themselves in this situation to begin with...
I also agree that when you fire an (ex) employee you need to handle it with care and respect.
However - there is at least one additional factor in this equation. The fans. And they deserve (at least) the same amount of care and respect.
Providing answers to arising questions in the line of 'just trust me' or 'I have experience and therefore I know what I am doing' does not, in any way of form, provide the fans with any sense of respect. It is borderline condescending. Add statements interpreted as 'we are now a better team' or 'with Ty we are heading to the playoff' and most of the people who actually look at the product you are putting on the floor might go as far as saying you are delusional...
The FO failed miserably while trying to balance different factors in a very complicated and delicate situation.
And the irony here is that many people feel they did not need to put themselves in this situation to begin with...
If this Malone firing deserves the firing of responsible parties we have to fire Vivek and Mullin, the decision maker and his desihgnated basketball advisor. I personally don't think that it does warrant that. It certainly isn't cause to do anything to PDA except maybe to appreciate the fact that he's the one paid to meet the media and fans. don't kill the messenger. And in this case I don't find a need to fire anyone. Basketball, let's play basketball no matter whose system we're using. And, incidentally, if Vivek finds he's made a mistake in any of this I think he is more apt than most to take necessary action to get back on track. At the Kings game, chant "Beat the Thunder, Beat the Thunder!!!"
If PDA doesnt make some brilliant trade to upgrade the roster in the very near future, I can't see any good reasons for keeping him on board. In my mind, extending DMC was a no-brainer and something the fans were calling for. Which basically leaves the Rudy Gay trade and signing as the only good move to speak of. But, tricking Rudy into signing here before firing Malone taints PDA's only bright spot.
The other option was to go full rebuild ala Philadelphia. Deal Boogie for pair of 1st rounders or so (that's what Jrue Holiday netted and DMC is a superior talent but league wide perception lessens his trade value), keep your own first and strip everything else down to the studs netting picks and/or expirings and little else. Hinkie is taking it to an extreme with the two year tank job but you stockpile young talent and caproom and then you either make it work with your pieces or trade for older veterans and make a push ala the Celtics when they traded all their kids for Garnett and their lottery pick for Ray Allen.
But part of the issue with DeMarcus is that it's always been a pennies on the dollar proposition. He's worth more in Sacramento than most teams would give up to get him because of his attitude issues, perceived or real. Of course the narrative around Cousins was changing this season and he was heading to a point where I'm guessing he would have netted true value if traded and I think right now, post-Malone that's probably once again not the case.
That's the Catch-22 with Boogie. If he is immature, emotionally out of control etc then you can't get back true value for trading him. And if he IS showing maturity, control, leadership etc then there's no way you want to deal him.
But part of the issue with DeMarcus is that it's always been a pennies on the dollar proposition. He's worth more in Sacramento than most teams would give up to get him because of his attitude issues, perceived or real. Of course the narrative around Cousins was changing this season and he was heading to a point where I'm guessing he would have netted true value if traded and I think right now, post-Malone that's probably once again not the case.
That's the Catch-22 with Boogie. If he is immature, emotionally out of control etc then you can't get back true value for trading him. And if he IS showing maturity, control, leadership etc then there's no way you want to deal him.
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The concept that the FO should be praised for extending DMC is asinine.
It takes an absurd level of warping and ignoring things to come to a conclusion that the FO was ahead of the game in signing Boogie long-term.
To wit -
* Either Boogie is talented, or he isn't. Well, the Kings organization has been front-row, day-in day-out exposure to Boogie's abilities, in game and most importantly in practice. If they don't have a handle on how good (or limited) Boogie is, then they are extraordinarily dull (i.e. NOT SMART).
* If Boogie's attitude is so bad that you wouldn't want him with the team, then they shouldn't have signed him at all.
Seriously, if they don't know what triggers Demarcus has by now (i.e. what causes his behavior to be damaging), then they really should take some intro college courses on Psychology/Behavior, maybe even ECE. Or they should hire someone or just listen to smarter people reveal to them why Boogie lashes out.
Because his attitude is not a mystery, Front Office.
And you just showed the entire NBA you don't give a crap about Demarcus or his attitude by firing Malone the way you did.
It takes an absurd level of warping and ignoring things to come to a conclusion that the FO was ahead of the game in signing Boogie long-term.
To wit -
* Either Boogie is talented, or he isn't. Well, the Kings organization has been front-row, day-in day-out exposure to Boogie's abilities, in game and most importantly in practice. If they don't have a handle on how good (or limited) Boogie is, then they are extraordinarily dull (i.e. NOT SMART).
* If Boogie's attitude is so bad that you wouldn't want him with the team, then they shouldn't have signed him at all.
Seriously, if they don't know what triggers Demarcus has by now (i.e. what causes his behavior to be damaging), then they really should take some intro college courses on Psychology/Behavior, maybe even ECE. Or they should hire someone or just listen to smarter people reveal to them why Boogie lashes out.
Because his attitude is not a mystery, Front Office.
And you just showed the entire NBA you don't give a crap about Demarcus or his attitude by firing Malone the way you did.
For those of us who have watched and listened to Boogie through his body language and interviews through the years, he's a fairly open book. That's not to say he's not a complex personality. He is. But the things that matter to him should be fairly well known. Loyalty, trust, respect. To maximize his talent, you give him those things.
The front office trampled all three at once through the firing. It was an unnecessary and potentially catastrophic roll of the dice. With little upside. Nothing is gained through a lame duck season by Corbin.
The front office trampled all three at once through the firing. It was an unnecessary and potentially catastrophic roll of the dice. With little upside. Nothing is gained through a lame duck season by Corbin.
Don't forget that Cousins' extension had to happen the very summer that Ranadive bought the team. The FO that extended Cousins did not have any front-row day-in day-out exposure to Boogie yet. According to PDA, Vivek sought out advice from around the league as to whether to extend Cousins or not, and by PDA's account, the feedback was overwhelmingly in the "no" category. Presumably the reason that Vivek sought out advice was precisely because he and his front office didn't have the exposure to Cousins that a normal front office would have, because they were brand new.
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