Malone fired

funkykingston

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This says a lot:

The Kings’ basketball think tankers – Pete D’Alessandro, Chris Mullin, Mike Bratz – began lobbying Ranadive for a coaching change several weeks ago.

The goal is to hit a “home run” with the next head coaching hire, “but I don’t know who that home run is yet,” Ranadive adds. “ ... We need time to research. We want to get this right.”

Um. Uh.

If you have no idea who this next coach is that will be a homerun hire and change the culture why fire the guy that is at least getting the team to play defense?

Isn't that the normal progression of things? Isn't that why Houston replaced JVG with Adelman? That Van Gundy had instilled a defensive identity but they wanted to see if Adelman could add offensive execution on top of things? Even if you hate Malone's style of offense (and I didn't), he was making obvious improvements to defense, rebounding, aggressively attacking the basket and McLemore's development was an obvious plus as well. Why wouldn't you let him keep helping the team improve and THEN change coaches after the season to build ON what he established?

Again, I can't find a rational answer for why Malone was fired at this point in the season. If you had your homerun coach all ready to step in that's one thing. I'd still be against the move but at least I could understand it. What's the reason here? It's like a kid throwing a tantrum. "Vivek! Vivek! Mike's not playing the game the way we want. Tell him to stop!" Sheesh.

Well, flying to Vegas after lobbying for a coaching change a few weeks ago and starting this discussion back then puts the time frame prior to our slide. That's during our hot start. So even back when we were one of the surprises of the league and were knocking off big time teams, PDA/Mullin/Bratz were more concerned with our style than the success which was actually happening on the court, which was our best ball since the Rick era with Cuz out there.

That right there scratches the argument by a few that this had anything to do with the recent slide. This was in motion pre-meningitis. This is also on top of PDA saying even if we were 19-6, he'd still have given Malone the boot.

Furthermore, in my latter bolded section you'll see that Vivek says I don't know who the replacement is yet and "we need time to research". Really? You research before you can the coach and blow up this season. This also negates the argument of a few that there's a plan in place. They fired Malone and now are putting together a plan for a replacement. It's not in place. It wasn't thought through. This is self-admission they're making it up as they go. How does anyone with a plan for a more up-tempo, up and down style not already have a plan in place for who Malone's predecessor will be?

BTW, in the defense of Vivek and Malone a few seem oblivious to this likely making our head coaching position quite unattractive. This isn't happening in the Sac bubble. Everyone around the league is taking notice. It's far from attractive to sign on to a franchise with back-stabbers running the FO who'll go behind your back and campaign for your firing no matter your on-court success, at any time, whether or not they've even thought of who your replacement might be. This shows incredible instability and a true lack of foresight. Any coaching candidate has to now acknowledge if he's not enough of a "Jazz director", he too could be fired at any time. If I'm an unattached coach, waiting for Monty to get fired and throwing my hat in the ring for the NO job would be considerably more attractive.
Agree 100%.

There is a right and wrong way to do things. This is the wrong way.
 

Spike

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Your peer said it, Coach Malone has costed the Kings at least 2 losses during our stretch without Cousins. I'm not putting 100% of the blame on him, but I'm not sad to see him go. His limitations and poor decision-making was exposed with Cousins being out. This team, even without our Center, should have a better record right now. If your coach is the reason why you've given up more than 1 game this season, do something about it. Bring in someone who can put this team in the best position to win and close out games.
You just described every coach ever. In every sport.
Every coach has been responsible for more than one loss. It's a ridiculous position to stand by. Perfection is admirable, but it just doesn't exist within humanity.
 
when seeing things like them talking to jackson for 2 hours, who is pretty similar to malone if not worse as an overall head coach. Along with a list of uninspring candidates(yes even Karl is uninspiring when you think of what malone was projecting to build) im really starting to get the sense that PDA Bratz and Mullin looked at the roster over the summer and laughed at the notion of a winning record like most of us did.(because no one can win pounding the ball and playing defense in this nba right?)

Once they saw Malone pull off the impossible as we all did they began to panick and their kush paychecks for sitting courtside with a billionare flashed before their eyes.

What if Vivek figured out that their style was not neccessary in order to field a winning product?

Even worse what if Vivek figured out that since they have no clue as to Malones winning philosophy that he decided they were no longer needed??(Bye bye paycheck)

Better can Malone and come up with a pipe dream of Spurs/Warriors offense and back the firing up by bring up the crappy moves we made that Malone actually made work which Vivek the basketball novice will jump all over.

Vivek hasnt been doing this very long so he relies on these clowns for knowledge, they saved their own asses by sabotaging the good thing we had going.
 

hrdboild

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You're giving Malone 100% of the credit. So the fact that we have our first solid trio as the base of our team has NOTHING to do with their early season success? Come on, man. Malone was not a bad coach by any means, but stop making it sound like we just lost Demarcus Cousins for a couple of 2nd round picks.
Where did I say I was giving Malone 100% of the credit? Does he not deserve any credit? This is just assuming the conclusion you prefer and then arguing in reverse. It's pointless. I don't think it's fair to hold the coach accountable for failing to win with an MVP candidate on the sideline. Especially not when we were winning plenty when he was suited up. If Malone was "not a bad coach by any means" as you say, why the hell did he just get fired?
 
I think we should all take a step back from that ledge.

Everyone including the Kings, got a little too excited for that 5-1 start. It looked like it would be a new phase for our team, and winning would start happening. We've had a lot of setbacks since that 5-1 start. Total of 13 games without a full healthy roster.
Malone along with Cousins, gave us hope for better things to come. I think the FO made a stupid decision not to fire Malone in the off season. I understand that team wants a different philosophy, but we don't know where the kings FO wants to head.

This is like the Jim Harbaugh thing, except it's not ugly. The FO and Coach have different ideas and directions about the team. If Malone wasn't on par with everyone else, then it's ok for the FO to go and look for another option that shares their vision.

I don't think anyone thought our current roster would be as settle as it right now by the end of the season. It means we aren't done yet. Pete is still in the process of building this team.

Don't quit on this team. There are a lot of better coaches out there. Don't be fair-weather fans. Let's all just wait and see what happens next.

Hopefully the FO can prove everyone wrong AGAIN. The world raised their eyebrows when we gave a max contract to DeMarcus Cousins. They laughed at us when we traded for Rudy Gay. They yelped for us when we signed Darren Collison. They cursed at us when we didn't want Isaiah Thomas back. They predicted we'd barely reach 25wins...1/4 into the season, we already have 11.

This FO will continue to prove everyone wrong. Just be patient all. There is a plan!

I posted this on the "Bye" thread, and I thought it should be posted here too. There's still a ton of basketball left in this season
 
Your peer said it, Coach Malone has costed the Kings at least 2 losses during our stretch without Cousins. I'm not putting 100% of the blame on him, but I'm not sad to see him go. His limitations and poor decision-making was exposed with Cousins being out. This team, even without our Center, should have a better record right now. If your coach is the reason why you've given up more than 1 game this season, do something about it. Bring in someone who can put this team in the best position to win and close out games.
I'm curious GQ_Gabriel. Do you think Malone's firing "puts this team in the best position to win and close out games?"
 
I'm willing to look like a fool if this all ends up making us a playoff team. At this point, it all just seems like a major set back in the development of our team. I hope I'm wrong.

After a few days of spitting venom, I'm just kind of worn out from this whole situation. I feel somewhat defeated and feel like I just need to see what happens, because I dont really have another choice.

All in all, I think this was so poorly handled, demonstrated poor vision and poor leadership, and it came off clumsy and careless. I'm disappointed in the FO and I feel for our players.

Now I sit and watch, and hope management can cook up some crow for me.
 
I think this basically comes down to conflict in ideals between PDA/Mullin(or Mullens :) ) and Malone.

PDA: So, we really want you to try this cherry picking idea
Malone: Ya, that's not going to happen
PDA: Well how about getting out and running more
Malone: We have Cousins, we are going to run things in the high and low post and pick our spots to run
PDA: (we gotta get rid of this guy...)
 

hrdboild

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Hopefully the FO can prove everyone wrong AGAIN. The world raised their eyebrows when we gave a max contract to DeMarcus Cousins. They laughed at us when we traded for Rudy Gay. They yelped for us when we signed Darren Collison. They cursed at us when we didn't want Isaiah Thomas back. They predicted we'd barely reach 25wins...1/4 into the season, we already have 11.

This FO will continue to prove everyone wrong. Just be patient all. There is a plan!
This is the best argument I've heard yet in favor of the firing Malone decision. PDA has been making a lot of unpopular decisions and they've been turning out well. The hope is they do know something we don't know, they do have legitimate basketball reasons for letting Malone go just lack the ability to articulate them adequately. The PR from the beginning has been horrible, but if they get the results they're expecting, that won't matter in the end. I really liked Malone as a person and I think he's a solid coach who's going to keep getting better so it hurts to see him leave the organization. But I've settled into more of a wait and see attitude after my initial disappointment and confusion.
 
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That was a typo, guys. Relax. Mr. Citrus said that Coach Malone was responsible for at least 2 of our recent losses. When I said that if your coach is responsible for 1 loss the whole season, I meant to say that if your coach has caused you 2 games in such a short stretch, albeit without your best player, something has to be done.
 
Cousins doesn't get sick and we make the playoffs this year nobody will convince me otherwise.

The next coach has 2 years to get us to the playoffs and if we are implementing some run/gun bull crap it won't happen. If Gay isn't in the playoffs in 2 years he will opts out and sacramento isn't getting a FA. DMC will follow and leave cause nobody will trust the 3 stooges.

And it's sickening that they wanted to fire malone weeks ago. This is why they fired him now they know the minuet cousins came back we were on our way to 40+ wins playing rugged playoffs basketball.
 
That was a typo, guys. Relax. Mr. Citrus said that Coach Malone was responsible for at least 2 of our recent losses. When I said that if your coach is responsible for 1 loss the whole season, I meant to say that if your coach has caused you 2 games in such a short stretch, albeit without your best player, something has to be done.
The lack of a reliable third guard off the bench has cost the Kings more games than that. Should the GM be fired? Should the players be traded?
 

Spike

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That was a typo, guys. Relax. Mr. Citrus said that Coach Malone was responsible for at least 2 of our recent losses. When I said that if your coach is responsible for 1 loss the whole season, I meant to say that if your coach has caused you 2 games in such a short stretch, albeit without your best player, something has to be done.
Within a game, teams make runs. Within a season, teams make runs. A little patience would probably be rewarded in the long term, if you can ever make it past the short term.
 
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Interestingly enough, within a few days of this -


Sactown Royalty @SactownRoyalty
Kings reportedly still interested in Pistons Forward Josh Smith sbnation.com/e/7175608


Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Yahoo Sources w/ @SpearsNBAYahoo: Celtics showing a renewed willingness to trade Rajon Rondo. yhoo.it/1w0j7Gg


Coincidence that suddenly the players the Kings were rumored to show interest in all off season are suddenly on the block again?
If we could somehow land both Josh Smith and Rajon Rondo on this team, I would pass out of joy.
 
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GQ_Gabriel

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Within a game, teams make runs. Within a season, teams make runs. A little patience would probably be rewarded in the long term, if you can ever make it past the short term.
When trying to change the culture of a team, as this FO is determined to do, patience is found where it needs to be. Ben McLemore? That kid is turning into something valuable, we had patience for him. Demarcus Cousins' emergence? We had patience through every tantrum. A coach who can't put his team in the best position to win, no matter the circumstance? That is one thing that I am glad the organization DOES NOT have patience for.
 
Your peer said it, Coach Malone has costed the Kings at least 2 losses during our stretch without Cousins. I'm not putting 100% of the blame on him, but I'm not sad to see him go. His limitations and poor decision-making was exposed with Cousins being out. This team, even without our Center, should have a better record right now. If your coach is the reason why you've given up more than 1 game this season, do something about it. Bring in someone who can put this team in the best position to win and close out games.
Malone didn't cost us crap and the fact that you say a coach costing you a game should be fired is textbook out of Vivek mouth. Frank Vogal cost Indy game 1 vs the heat 2 years ago by taking out Hibbert with 5sec left. Pop cost the spurs a championship when he decided to have Duncan on the bench in the final seconds. Hell him playing Manu was a bad decision fire both of those guys right?


Collison, Ben, Gay, JT, Hollins

Oladipo,Fornia, Harris, oquinn
Knight, Pope, smith, Monroe, AD
Lin,Kobe,Johnson, boozer, hill

There's only 1 team out of those 3 that we have more talent and should have beat and it's LA. If Collison doesn't shoot 25% from the line we win that game but that's Malones fault too. Det/orlando have more talent than us det beat the suns at full strength orlando had GS beat in GS then the refs took over and curry hog a game winning 3.
 
If we could somehow land both Josh Smith and Rajon Rondo on this team, I would pass out of joy.
You don't win games with so many star player and in smiths case wanna be stars. Those are just big name guys we need role players Ben is the perfect player 3rd man next to DMC/Gay. JT does the little things great last piece in the lineup. There's not enough balls to go around teams will dare us to shoot I never thought we could get worse at 3 point shooting and this makes us the worst 3 point shooting team in history. All the stats have proven we have an elite starting lineup why break them up. Oh yea style of play.
 
Interestingly enough, within a few days of this -


Sactown Royalty @SactownRoyalty
Kings reportedly still interested in Pistons Forward Josh Smith sbnation.com/e/7175608


Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Yahoo Sources w/ @SpearsNBAYahoo: Celtics showing a renewed willingness to trade Rajon Rondo. yhoo.it/1w0j7Gg


Coincidence that suddenly the players the Kings were rumored to show interest in all off season are suddenly on the block again?
As much as I would like Rondo on this team. I think that ship might of sailed with how solid Daren has been this season.
 
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GQ_Gabriel

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Malone didn't cost us poopoo and the fact that you say a coach costing you a game should be fired is textbook out of Vivek mouth. Frank Vogal cost Indy game 1 vs the heat 2 years ago by taking out Hibbert with 5sec left. Pop cost the spurs a championship when he decided to have Duncan on the bench in the final seconds. Hell him playing Manu was a bad decision fire both of those guys right?


Collison, Ben, Gay, JT, Hollins

Oladipo,Fornia, Harris, oquinn
Knight, Pope, smith, Monroe, AD
Lin,Kobe,Johnson, boozer, hill

There's only 1 team out of those 3 that we have more talent and should have beat and it's LA. If Collison doesn't shoot 25% from the line we win that game but that's Malones fault too. Det/orlando have more talent than us det beat the suns at full strength orlando had GS beat in GS then the refs took over and curry hog a game winning 3.
It's not about the coach costing you a game. A coach is only human. I understand that. But I know for damn sure that neither Pop nor Frank Vogal made as many repetitive bone-head coaching decisions in the first 20 games of their first season. Don't compare Malone to Greg Popovich, that's just wrong.
 
When trying to change the culture of a team, as this FO is determined to do, patience is found where it needs to be. Ben McLemore? That kid is turning into something valuable, we had patience for him. Demarcus Cousins' emergence? We had patience through every tantrum. A coach who can't put his team in the best position to win, no matter the circumstance? That is one thing that I am glad the organization DOES NOT have patience for.
Then, the Spurs should have fired Popovich in 2013 after the game 6 meltdown. That logic just doesn't work. Coaches make mistakes, even the greats. You make decisions with imperfect information, and hope that the unknowns fall in line with your plan.

Malone and the Kings with Cousins were a playoff team. Without Cousins they were not. Every indication is that pholosophical differences led to the firing, not a question of wins/losses. The problem foe PDA/Mullins/Vivek is that Malone's defensive, grinding half-court philosophy has the weight of experience and past success. Running, positionless basketball maybe can work, assuming your tweener forward is named Lebron and not Derrick.
 
This says a lot:

The Kings’ basketball think tankers – Pete D’Alessandro, Chris Mullin, Mike Bratz – began lobbying Ranadive for a coaching change several weeks ago. According to the owner, D’Alessandro and Mullin flew to Las Vegas eight days ago, where he was attending a software conference, and persuaded him to change coaches, partly to change the culture but mainly to start scrapping the old offense. The push was on to replace the isolation plays and sluggish tempo with a faster pace, ball and body movement, quicker decisions, smaller lineups, and in essence, a more creative, free-flowing system.

“When they both flew in on the earliest flight that morning and wanted to meet with me,” Ranadive added, “I knew they were pretty serious. This was different. I told Pete to do what he thought best.”

The next phase – what D’Alessandro refers to as Phase II of the Kings’ development – begins, of course, with the selection of Malone’s replacement. And in the course of the hour-long conversation Tuesday evening, Ranadive confirmed and revealed the following:

While Corbin will be the head coach for the remainder of the season, other more established candidates will be considered and possibly approached. Though he declined to cite names, George Karl is held in high regard by Ranadive, coached the uptempo-loving Mullin decades ago in Golden State, and is respected immensely by D’Alessandro and Bratz, among his former bosses in Denver.

Ranadive, D’Alessandro and Mullin discussed the possibility of shifting the Hall of Famer from the front office to the bench, but bagged the idea for two reasons. One, Mullin’s interest in coaching fluctuates, and, two, he has no desire to step into the role in the middle of a season, without the benefit of an offseason and the time to assemble an experienced staff.

Though internal discussions about changing coaches transpired at the end of last season, the sentiment within the organization was that Malone deserved a chance to select a lead assistant and become more sympatico with the front office.

The goal is to hit a “home run” with the next head coaching hire, “but I don’t know who that home run is yet,” Ranadive adds. “ ... We need time to research. We want to get this right.”



http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article4544925.html#storylink=cpy

Well, flying to Vegas after lobbying for a coaching change a few weeks ago and starting this discussion back then puts the time frame prior to our slide. That's during our hot start. So even back when we were one of the surprises of the league and were knocking off big time teams, PDA/Mullin/Bratz were more concerned with our style than the success which was actually happening on the court, which was our best ball since the Rick era with Cuz out there.

That right there scratches the argument by a few that this had anything to do with the recent slide. This was in motion pre-meningitis. This is also on top of PDA saying even if we were 19-6, he'd still have given Malone the boot.

Furthermore, in my latter bolded section you'll see that Vivek says I don't know who the replacement is yet and "we need time to research". Really? You research before you can the coach and blow up this season. This also negates the argument of a few that there's a plan in place. They fired Malone and now are putting together a plan for a replacement. It's not in place. It wasn't thought through. This is self-admission they're making it up as they go. How does anyone with a plan for a more up-tempo, up and down style not already have a plan in place for who Malone's predecessor will be?

BTW, in the defense of Vivek and Malone a few seem oblivious to this likely making our head coaching position quite unattractive. This isn't happening in the Sac bubble. Everyone around the league is taking notice. It's far from attractive to sign on to a franchise with back-stabbers running the FO who'll go behind your back and campaign for your firing no matter your on-court success, at any time, whether or not they've even thought of who your replacement might be. This shows incredible instability and a true lack of foresight. Any coaching candidate has to now acknowledge if he's not enough of a "Jazz director", he too could be fired at any time. If I'm an unattached coach, waiting for Monty to get fired and throwing my hat in the ring for the NO job would be considerably more attractive.
This looks like a case where the coach had a lot of influence over personnel decisions and was only going to get more if he kept winning. PDA needed Malone gone in order to shape the roster how he and Mullin wants. Tried to take advantage of the losing streak, but we all see through it.
 
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Then, the Spurs should have fired Popovich in 2013 after the game 6 meltdown. That logic just doesn't work. Coaches make mistakes, even the greats. You make decisions with imperfect information, and hope that the unknowns fall in line with your plan.

Malone and the Kings with Cousins were a playoff team. Without Cousins they were not. Every indication is that pholosophical differences led to the firing, not a question of wins/losses. The problem foe PDA/Mullins/Vivek is that Malone's defensive, grinding half-court philosophy has the weight of experience and past success. Running, positionless basketball maybe can work, assuming your tweener forward is named Lebron and not Derrick.
Look what I bolded, there. See?

Game 6 of an NBA Finals / Playoffs series?

Guess who let them there? Yeah, Tim Duncan and crew, but Coach Pop was at the healm for years already. Coach Malone cannot even begin to fathom the idea of leading a team into that position yet. It's still early however Malone had made too many bone-headed coaching decisions this seasons to allow him to coach this team feeling any sense of confidence.
 
It's not about the coach costing you a game. A coach is only human. I understand that. But I know for damn sure that neither Pop nor Frank Vogal made as many repetitive bone-head coaching decisions in the first 20 games of their first season. Don't compare Malone to Greg Popovich, that's just wrong.
There would be no Pop if owners acted like this Pop would have been fired too. These bad moves Malone made led us to a record we had no business getting. Do you think coaches are perfect? Malone had no talent on this team who wins with the bench he had.