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peacelate said:
Do you believe the next 2 weeks are the only chance the Kings have of salvaging any sort of relevancy in the league for the rest of time because it sounds to some people think the franchise should just fold if the next 2 weeks don't go well.

It is a ridiculous notion to assume the Kings won't ever be relevant in the league again. Is it possible? Yes of course, but still ridiculous. It took the franchise 15 years after moving to Sacramento to become relevant.
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I hear what you're saying. Right now, however, there are a lot of fans who prefer to take the more pessimistic approach. You (and I) are not going to convince them to do otherwise, any more than they will convince those of us who are more optimistic to take their approach.

I don't see this changing until Cousins is back on the court. And even then there will be those who always see the glass half empty. At some point, you learn to just let them view things their way. (And no, that's not something I'm able to do easily, either.)

Bottom line, those of us who post here do so because we're Kings fans and we all want the same thing. We want our team to win, to be relevant and to give us reason to continue to be Kings fan. (And I'm sure someone will have a bone to pick with even that general statement.)

Kings fans are a contentious bunch, but look at it this way. If we weren't, our team would now be known as the Seattle Sonics.
 
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peacelate said:
I never once said things weren't bad because they are in Sacramento.

I'm saying there is always hope as long as we have a team.

You on the other hand are saying the hopes of this franchise being relevant ever again hinge on the next two weeks.
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No, what I'm saying is there's no real reason to assume that everything is going to be cool when Cousins comes back. We don't know what 2015-16 is going to turn out like: we don't know what the rest of this year is going to turn out like. We don't know that Cousins' illness is the worst problem we're going to have. We don't know that the chemistry can withstand all this losing. I'm sure that, when the Hawks traded Dominique Wilkins, they didn't think that they were going be irrelevant for the next twenty-two years. Being irrelevant doesn't just mean always in the lottery.

And, I mean, you tell me: what's the difference between the Kings being irrelevant forever and being irrelevant for twenty years, if you only have ten years to live?
 
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Some more twitter updates for y'all -

Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones
DeMarcus Cousins is on the court taking jumpers after practice.

Not really sure what this means in terms of his timeline and his overall health, but at least he's healthy enough to be working on jumpers. That's a start, at least!
 
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chasen4r1 said:
Some more twitter updates for y'all -

Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones
DeMarcus Cousins is on the court taking jumpers after practice.

Not really sure what this means in terms of his timeline and his overall health, but at least he's healthy enough to be working on jumpers. That's a start, at least!
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Thats it, he's suiting up tomorrow night. :D
 
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chasen4r1 said:
Some more twitter updates for y'all -

Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones
DeMarcus Cousins is on the court taking jumpers after practice.

Not really sure what this means in terms of his timeline and his overall health, but at least he's healthy enough to be working on jumpers. That's a start, at least!
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When did he tweet that? I don't follow Jones because he brings out very bad tendencies in me. ;)
 
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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
No, what I'm saying is there's no real reason to assume that everything is going to be cool when Cousins comes back. We don't know what 2015-16 is going to turn out like: we don't know what the rest of this year is going to turn out like. We don't know that Cousins' illness is the worst problem we're going to have. We don't know that the chemistry can withstand all this losing. I'm sure that, when the Hawks traded Dominique Wilkins, they didn't think that they were going be irrelevant for the next twenty-two years. Being irrelevant doesn't just mean always in the lottery.

And, I mean, you tell me: what's the difference between the Kings being irrelevant forever and being irrelevant for twenty years, if you only have ten years to live?
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I just took a quiz on Facebook and it says I'm going to live for another 36 years 7 months. ;)

Maybe we should look to Cubs fans for answers.
 
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Sean Cunningham @News10Sean
DeMarcus Cousins worked individually, did not practice. Michael Malone hopes he's able to return to full practice early next week #NBAKings

Sean Cunningham @News10Sean
Michael Malone estimated DeMarcus Cousins had lost 8-10 lbs due to virus #NBAKings




Yikes... 8-10 lbs? An early next week return is encouraging, however.
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Practice. We're talking about practice. :)

I mentioned to Kingsgurl (longtime rabid Kings fan and friend) that it looked as though Boogie had dropped some weight. She is a STH and said last night's game was the first time since his illness was announced that he looked happy and animated and like his old self. I just want him to be completely better before he steps on the court for a game.
 
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VF21 said:
Practice. We're talking about practice. :)

I mentioned to Kingsgurl (longtime rabid Kings fan and friend) that it looked as though Boogie had dropped some weight. She is a STH and said last night's game was the first time since his illness was announced that he looked happy and animated and like his old self. I just want him to be completely better before he steps on the court for a game.
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He looked good last night, considering the circumstances. There were shots of him laughing, talking to teammates here and there and reacting to the game. Just let him take it slow for another 3 days or so with light individual work. I don't mind him taking another full week before playing a game.
 
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VF21 said:
I just took a quiz on Facebook and it says I'm going to live for another 36 years 7 months. ;)

Maybe we should look to Cubs fans for answers.
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Funny that you should mention the Cubs: my dad was born and raised in Chicago, and is a life long Cubs fan. He is the only reason why I care about baseball, on any level. He was three years old the last time the Cubs got to the Series, and I'd really like to see the Cubs win a championship in his lifetime.

I hope that my inherited Cubs-fandom will also inform the rest of you as to why the whole "There's always tomorrow" attitude doesn't really work for me, when it comes to sports; his mom was born and died without ever seeing her favorite team win. So, there is not, in fact, always tomorrow.
 
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chasen4r1 said:

Sean Cunningham @News10Sean
DeMarcus Cousins worked individually, did not practice. Michael Malone hopes he's able to return to full practice early next week #NBAKings

Sean Cunningham @News10Sean
Michael Malone estimated DeMarcus Cousins had lost 8-10 lbs due to virus #NBAKings




Yikes... 8-10 lbs? An early next week return is encouraging, however.
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Probably most of that was water and fat weight. His body was probably burning a lot of fat since he wasn't eating much.
 
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8-10 lbs isn't that bad guys when Deng had a spinal tap last playoffs he lost 20lbs in a week I think.
If he can start fully practicing on the 17th he can practice for a week and come back 26 let him put on some weight when he eats for Christmas.
He would miss games vs det/okc/Milwaukee/laL/GS hopefully we can go 3-3. When boogie gets back if it's on the 26th he gets to get back to game shape vs weak compition vs phx/ny/Brooklyn
Bos/MN/Det with boogie on the court even 25min vs those teams we can go 5-1.
 
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randymoss1881 said:
8-10 lbs isn't that bad guys when Deng had a spinal tap last playoffs he lost 20lbs in a week I think.
If he can start fully practicing on the 17th he can practice for a week and come back 26 let him put on some weight when he eats for Christmas.
He would miss games vs det/okc/Milwaukee/laL/GS hopefully we can go 3-3. When boogie gets back if it's on the 26th he gets to get back to game shape vs weak compition vs phx/ny/Brooklyn
Bos/MN/Det with boogie on the court even 25min vs those teams we can go 5-1.
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Get that optimism right out of here buddy.

We are losing every game, and the future is hopeless. Haven't you been listening? :eek:
 
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Sorry; I guess you can take the Radioman out of the Navy...

You typed your response to me, while I was typing out my response to peacelate. And, because I had to type that from a phone, which is annoying, I did not want to go through the trouble of quoting your post and responding again. "INT ZUI bovers and advise" is more or less Sparks-speak for "Please re-read my response to peacelate, and see if it answers your question?"
 
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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Sorry; I guess you can take the Radioman out of the Navy...

You typed your response to me, while I was typing out my response to peacelate. And, because I had to type that from a phone, which is annoying, I did not want to go through the trouble of quoting your post and responding again. "INT ZUI bovers and advise" is more or less Sparks-speak for "Please re-read my response to peacelate, and see if it answers your question?"
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Damn navy man. :)
 
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Peter_Gibbons said:
Mark Kreidler‏@MarkKreidler 1h1 hour ago

@TheRyanHollins tells us @boogiecousins looked "really, really good" in light practice today.


Both Pelicans and Suns have some more tough games coming up. I predict that when Cousins comes back in about a week give or take, we would be right there with these 2 teams for the 8th spot. So it's ours to win or lose.
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OKC has probably already won the 8th spot. That's a 60 win team with wind in its sails again, and we aren't our 2002 selves.

Really just a question if one of the power teams has an awful injury to a major guy the way we effectively did to Cousins. Even so, the great teams don't collapse on their face when they lose their #1 guy quite the way we have. Barring OKC having any more lousy Durant/.Westbrook luck, we don't need the others to have the air let out of their tires enough that they only go 6-4 every 10, we need one of them to be cut off at the knees so thst they go 3-7 for a few 10 game cycles if we are going to have any chance to make up ground.
 
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In terms of teams who might slide, I'd look at teams which are based around an older key piece, teams where key pieces are injury prone or teams where if they lose one of their top two, their system might somewhat fall apart.

I'd say Dallas, Portland and the Clips are the most likely to fall under that umbrella. If CP3 or Blake does down, I could see them sliding a fair amount, as I could if Dirk or Monta were to go down. Portland I think is playing above their true level and already have played 11 games against Eastern teams(we've played 4), on top of playing Den three times. I could see them sliding just by having to battle more against the West, but even more so if one of Lillard or DA goes down. I'm going to keep an eye on Portland as I think if we were to catch a team and if a team is going to slide a decent amount, they're that team.

I'm of course being more optimistic than usual in this post. I wouldn't say it's likely. We'll also need a stretch of ripping off 8 of 10 or 9 of 12 not too far after Cuz gets back, assuming it's within the next 7-10 days to even get us in the conversation(and go 3-1 heading into the GS game), get a few games over .500 and get our confidence back. When we go East, we're going to have to clean up.
 
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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
No, what I'm saying is there's no real reason to assume that everything is going to be cool when Cousins comes back. We don't know what 2015-16 is going to turn out like: we don't know what the rest of this year is going to turn out like. We don't know that Cousins' illness is the worst problem we're going to have. We don't know that the chemistry can withstand all this losing. I'm sure that, when the Hawks traded Dominique Wilkins, they didn't think that they were going be irrelevant for the next twenty-two years. Being irrelevant doesn't just mean always in the lottery.

And, I mean, you tell me: what's the difference between the Kings being irrelevant forever and being irrelevant for twenty years, if you only have ten years to live?
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Which is why all doomsday predictions are premature. We should wait a few games when Cousins comes back before painting the future of this franchise as bleak as possible.

If we define relevancy as being a championship contender, well the Kings wouldn't be relevant this year anyways. Just too many holes in the team to fix mid season.
 
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Of course not; you don't go from zero to relevant in one season, unless you're the 1973 Bucks, or the 1977 Trailblazers. But, every year longer we have to wait is a step back. The clock be ticking.

And I'll paint the future as bleak as I like, thank you very much. The Kings may well win eight championships in a row in the fifties, but I'm pretty sure I don't have that much time to wait. Like I said before, if they don't become relevant until 2030, but I die in 2025 then, from my point of view, that's as close to 'never' as makes no odds.
 
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How would you define "a step back." If the Kings win 45 games, but miss the playoffs, is that a step back?

The Kings have a top 2 center in the league who is just entering his prime, which is why I find the Kings future to be bright. The team has found some nice complimentary pieces, but still need fixing. To put things in perspective, the team didn't win their 11 game until January 7 last season.
 
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http://www.nba.com/kings/blog/kings-notes-boogie-casspi-return

Some official update from the Kings.
Although his timetable to return is still at least a week away, DeMarcus Cousins returned to the practice facility on Thursday for a light post-practice workout. Omri Casspi, who has missed the last three contests due to a left knee bone contusion, also returned to practice and could be back as soon as Saturday night versus Detroit as the team looks to get back to .500 on the season.
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