DeMarcus Admitted to Hospital

[VF21]

Somewhere, Carmichael Dave is smiling while reading all of our extremely concerned reactions.

Not sure what you're getting at but this is patently untrue. And those of you using this to take shots at Dave are way off base. He made a comment based on some chatter he had heard. He's done nothing different than Sam Amick or anyone else, and yet for whatever reason Dave is the bad guy? Really?

None of us know all the information we would need to make a diagnosis. Some of us because we're not doctors; some of us because even if we are doctors we haven't seen all the data pertinent to Cousins.

Everybody right now is trying to find out the most information. Generalities are being taken as concrete fact. When 7-10 days was mentioned, it was grabbed onto as fact when it was actually nothing more than a "most case" scenario.

The main thing here is that DeMarcus Cousins is sick. He's battling an illness that can and does cause nausea, severe headaches, weakness, etc. NONE of those are good when you're a professional athlete. I want our medical staff to do their best; I don't want to see DMC back on the court until he's 100%.

To us, it may be about our star center. To his kids and family, it's a lot more. It truly is #BiggerThanBasketball and I hope Demarcus makes a complete recovery.

 

[VF21]

So Dave went from refusing to report on the Cousins diagnosis that was a "well known" secret in his circle and playing dumb... to throwing out potential recovery timelines without giving any context as to either the probability of that timeline or the nature of his source (medical people or lay-people relaying 2nd or 3rd hand information on the diagnosis). Not exactly Walter Cronkite

He didn't refuse to report. He followed journalistic protocol and didn't release information that had not been confirmed. Potential recovery timelines are just that - POTENTIAL. It's a discussion.

You guys feel free to dump all over Dave if it makes you feel better. He's not the one who made Boogie sick.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

No, today is day 10.

10 days would be assuming he got sick on the day of the Spurs game he missed. I believe he was sick before that night

 

[Larry David]

He didn't refuse to report. He followed journalistic protocol and didn't release information that had not been confirmed. Potential recovery timelines are just that - POTENTIAL. It's a discussion.

You get that he just reported a recovery timeline that isn't "confirmed," right? And that approach 1 and approach 2 are not consistent, right?

He could have broke the meningitis news, as he did with the potential recovery timeline, with a I'm hearing/sources say/ I've been told. That eliminates the risk of saying somebody has a disease they don't actually have. Dave's tweet yesterday confirms he sat on the scoop.

You can call Dave a journalist, you just have to use air quote as you type it.

 

[Glenn]

Not sure what you're getting at but this is patently untrue. And those of you using this to take shots at Dave are way off base. He made a comment based on some chatter he had heard. He's done nothing different than Sam Amick or anyone else, and yet for whatever reason Dave is the bad guy? Really?

None of us know all the information we would need to make a diagnosis. Some of us because we're not doctors; some of us because even if we are doctors we haven't seen all the data pertinent to Cousins.

Everybody right now is trying to find out the most information. Generalities are being taken as concrete fact. When 7-10 days was mentioned, it was grabbed onto as fact when it was actually nothing more than a "most case" scenario.

The main thing here is that DeMarcus Cousins is sick. He's battling an illness that can and does cause nausea, severe headaches, weakness, etc. NONE of those are good when you're a professional athlete. I want our medical staff to do their best; I don't want to see DMC back on the court until he's 100%.

To us, it may be about our star center. To his kids and family, it's a lot more. It truly is #BiggerThanBasketball and I hope Demarcus makes a complete recovery.

I think CD doesn't know the impact of what he says. I personally do not think "chatter" is news. It's a rumor as far as I am concerned. It's not news but when CD writes it, it has more weight than it should have. All I can say is that is the way it struck me. He also has posted all this on Facebook.

 

[VF21]

You get that he just reported a recovery timeline that isn't "confirmed," right? And that approach 1 and approach 2 are not consistent, right?

He could have broke the meningitis news, as he did with the potential recovery timeline, with a I'm hearing/sources say/ I've been told. That eliminates the risk of saying somebody has a disease they don't actually have. Dave's tweet yesterday confirms he sat on the scoop.

You can call Dave a journalist, you just have to use air quote as you type it.

Maybe, just maybe, Dave has a little more respect for Boogie's privacy than whoever actually leaked the information. I've known Dave a long time. He is not a bad guy and he's not worthy of some of the vitriol being spewed in his direction.

And the potential recovery timeline isn't a scoop. But whatever... like I said, I know Dave personally. I have no idea who you are, what your ethics are, etc. I'll stick with my defense of my friend Dave because that's who I am.

Have a nice evening.

GO KINGS!

 

[Chubbs]

I just want to reiterate, that posted the 7-10 days thing came from I think Wikipedia. That never came from the Kings or anyone else involved in the situation.

 

[Glenn]

Maybe, just maybe, Dave has a little more respect for Boogie's privacy than whoever actually leaked the information. I've known Dave a long time. He is not a bad guy and he's not worthy of some of the vitriol being spewed in his direction.

And the potential recovery timeline isn't a scoop. But whatever... like I said, I know Dave personally. I have no idea who you are, what your ethics are, etc. I'll stick with my defense of my friend Dave because that's who I am.

Have a nice evening.

GO KINGS!

Don't look at this as the start of an argument, please. Dave has always sounded like a decent guy. That's not the issue. Reporting "chatter" as if it were news leaves an awful amount of room for misunderstanding as you have seen. I didn't think he was reporting any fact but then if it's not a fact, why write it?

I personally have a major problem with non-medical people reporting medical information. You probably have figured that out after 14 years. I read these notes carefully when they contain medical info. Most people skim through notes and probably aren't as critical as I am. I am critical by training as I wrote yesterday. I wish Dave would read the fire storm that got started. I think there is something to be learned from this as I don't blame people for misunderstanding.

BTW, I was REALLY angry at his comment. I left the computer for awhile to calm down.

 

[Larry David]

Your logic is that Dave, a member of the media, respected Cousins' privacy by not publicly speaking about the cause of his medical condition for several days. I see the logic here.

Now, Dave, still a member of the media, publicly revealed NEW information about Cousin's medical condition -- the potential duration of his recovery -- and it's not sloppy and inconsistent reporting (my contention) because it's not "a scoop" or he's your friend. I think you are still twisting logic here to defend his conduct.

I'm sure he's a good dude. I'm not saying he's a bad person. I'm saying that his reporting on this has been sloppy and inconsistent. I doubt we'll see eye to eye.

I hope you also have a nice evening.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I just want to reiterate, that posted the 7-10 days thing came from I think Wikipedia. That never came from the Kings or anyone else involved in the situation.

the 7-10 day thing is the normal recovery time for viral meningitis according to the CDC

 

[Chubbs]

the 7-10 day thing is the normal recovery time for viral meningitis according to the CDC

Of course. What it doesn't mean though is that our own Demarcus Cousins will recover in that amount of time.

 

[VF21]

the 7-10 day thing is the normal recovery time for viral meningitis according to the CDC

Exactly. Just look at the "in-depth" article Jason Jones wrote today for the Bee. He pretty much just went to the CDC site, grabbed the info and plugged it into his article. I strongly believe at least two dozen people here could have done a better job.

 

[Glenn]

the 7-10 day thing is the normal recovery time for viral meningitis according to the CDC

It has been so for at least 50 years in case anyone wants to know. There are always people whose illness is an outlier.

I am guessing that the chatter added in the amount of time it would take Boogie to get back into NBA shape.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Of course. What it doesn't mean though is that our own Demarcus Cousins will recover in that amount of time.

of course not. I'm sure the CDC also doesn't account for time to get back into shape to play NBA games

 

[Glenn]

of course not. I'm sure the CDC also doesn't account for time to get back into shape to play NBA games

Seems like we are all getting onto the same track. Great minds think alike, right?

 

[Chubbs]

of course not. I'm sure the CDC also doesn't account for time to get back into shape to play NBA games

Ha, no I would assume not. Being virus free and NBA ready are different things entirely.

I'm sure recovery time is some kind of bell curve. 7-10 is just the average. There are always outliers on either end of the time scale.

I still have hope he's back sooner. But the team needs to have the mentality he won't be and try to adjust to his absence. Easier said than done.

 

[carmichaeldave]

I see everything.

The old me would be all bent out of shape and argue all night.

I respect everyone's right to have their opinion, and many of you have made up your mind. Cheers.

My only concern as a Kings fan is his recovery.

I would say this- I think I have a pretty decent record of accuracy.

Social media chatter does nothing for me. If it was a post on a board I owned or the Khtk website maybe different.

I do my best to share with people what I can when I can.

And as far as the difference between not reporting one, and reporting this one, it gets sticky so I'll be careful here.

I have covered this team for years. Regardless of what I report, there are a lot of relationships I have to answer to. For me to go out on my own and just decide to do what I want in a highly sensitive situation like this would be flat out stupid.

And I've never, ever said I was a journalist. Whether it's Kings, Republic, or MMA, I'm waaaay too close the the situation. Amick and Howard-Cooper, those types of guys are journalists. I'm a fan who works in media who learns things from time to time and the ones I can pass on, I do.

As much as it sucks on the court, and as big of a Kings fan as I am, I couldn't care less about wins right now. I just hope DMC takes all the time he needs, adds a week, and puts himself and his family first.

I appreciate the passion and respect all of your opinions. Even you, Rainmaker.

 

[pshn80]

I'm saying that the Kings will release things when they want them to be released. All this speculation sucks. I've read somewhere that the Kings wanted to be DL about what was wrong with Cuz till someone leaked it out, which is why they decided to give out a statement. Same thing is happening here.. CD going off of whatever he knows making early assumptions that Cousins will be out till January..

Why can't he be like the rest of us and wait for official words from the Kings? The Kings will release what they want the public to know, but for CD to go out there and say he's heard "chatters" is a little ..... It makes me question his credibility and knowledge.

Don't be two harsh on someone like CD. Teams like the Kings use sources like CD as a strategic alternative to official statements. Even the wording like "team sources say" or "chatter" as examples may be be "suggested" or required. That's what I imagine the CD Twitter was. As others have said what it says is not much different than the official line.

 

[Glenn]

I see everything.

The old me would be all bent out of shape and argue all night.

I respect everyone's right to have their opinion, and many of you have made up your mind. Cheers.

My only concern as a Kings fan is his recovery.

I would say this- I think I have a pretty decent record of accuracy.

Social media chatter does nothing for me. If it was a post on a board I owned or the Khtk website maybe different.

I do my best to share with people what I can when I can.

And as far as the difference between not reporting one, and reporting this one, it gets sticky so I'll be careful here.

I have covered this team for years. Regardless of what I report, there are a lot of relationships I have to answer to. For me to go out on my own and just decide to do what I want in a highly sensitive situation like this would be flat out stupid.

And I've never, ever said I was a journalist. Whether it's Kings, Republic, or MMA, I'm waaaay too close the the situation. Amick and Howard-Cooper, those types of guys are journalists. I'm a fan who works in media who learns things from time to time and the ones I can pass on, I do.

As much as it sucks on the court, and as big of a Kings fan as I am, I couldn't care less about wins right now. I just hope DMC takes all the time he needs, adds a week, and puts himself and his family first.

I appreciate the passion and respect all of your opinions. Even you, Rainmaker.

You underestimate how people see you. People respect you and I suspect people see you being more of a journalist than not. Nobody will remember your disclaimer.

 

[rainmaker]

Not sure what you're getting at but this is patently untrue. And those of you using this to take shots at Dave are way off base. He made a comment based on some chatter he had heard. He's done nothing different than Sam Amick or anyone else, and yet for whatever reason Dave is the bad guy? Really?

I'm curious as to why I've seen you slam twitter posts on here countless times for not being what you deem as valid information and basically chalk them up as pointless rumors, but this is fine. That makes your defense of CD quite odd, especially when you've made the point a few times about privacy being important, then CD tweeted this, breaking any expectation of privacy.

And please don't go comparing CD to Amick. Amick is a journalist by trade, writes for big publications. CD is a glorified fan who runs a radio show and needs to maximize social media to increase his following and what he's done here, putting out a tweet with nothing at all backing it up, comes across strongly as an attempt to drum up reaction and to have the spotlight on himself, all while leaving an incredibly easy fallback option if Cuz were to recover before Jan. This is an age old media trick, throw out a random rumor to garner a reaction and if Cuz does happen to be out that long, CD looks like the guy who broke the story and if Cuz returns earlier, no one will care as Cuz is back. It's a classic win-win scenario.

Now if CD does have concrete info to go on, he reported it terribly and should never be put in the same conversation as a journalist.

 

[VF21]

I'm curious as to why I've seen you slam twitter posts on here countless times for not being what you deem as valid information and basically chalk them up as pointless rumors, but this is fine. That makes your defense of CD quite odd, especially when you've made the point a few times about privacy being important, then CD tweeted this, breaking any expectation of privacy.

And please don't go comparing CD to Amick. Amick is a journalist by trade, writes for big publications. CD is a glorified fan who runs a radio show and needs to maximize social media to increase his following and what he's done here, putting out a tweet with nothing at all backing it up, comes across strongly as an attempt to drum up reaction and to have the spotlight on himself, all while leaving an incredibly easy fallback option if Cuz were to recover before Jan. This is an age old media trick, throw out a random rumor to garner a reaction and if Cuz does happen to be out that long, CD looks like the guy who broke the story and if Cuz returns earlier, no one will care as Cuz is back. It's a classic win-win scenario.

Now if CD does have concrete info to go on, he reported it terribly and should never be put in the same conversation as a journalist.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. And I'm entitled to not agree with it. At this point, to argue with you any further would do neither of us any good. I made a point, you've responded and I'm saying I will not respond further.

Have a good evening and GO KINGS!

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Ha, no I would assume not. Being virus free and NBA ready are different things entirely.

on top of just getting over the illness we also have to assume that he has probably lost some weight and muscle throughout this illness

 

[carmichaeldave]

Rainmaker- I've learned through the years I can do nothing to please you.

You said similar things when I reported both Tyreke and Isaiah wouldn't re-sign. I must've lost your apology in the mail.

And go back and re-read what you wrote. Again, social media does nothing for me or the show. Very little at least. And why would I want to just go out and be a part of a very upsetting and serious story like this? There's no win, which is the last thing anyone should be looking for- a win. This is about the man recovering and being healthy.

As far as the validity? As I said, take it with a grain of salt. As you should everything. If you choose to throw it aside or not believe me, that's your right. We all pick and choose our sources. More power to you.

 

[carmichaeldave]

Actually, I should've never responded. This was one of the first boards I posted on as a teenager, and I still read all the time, though rarely post anymore. This board is awesome and even though I argue with some (brick), I also respect the hell out of the die hard passion here. So it's tough for me to sit on my hands.

Like a real journalist would

 

[rainmaker]

I appreciate the passion and respect all of your opinions. Even you, Rainmaker.

And I respect you coming on here and facing the fire, so to speak. I have no doubt you're a good guy who's as big a fan as the biggest here, if not bigger, but I also disagree with how you go about things at times and openly admit I see a conflict of interest.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Actually, I should've never responded. This was one of the first boards I posted on as a teenager, and I still read all the time, though rarely post anymore. This board is awesome and even though I argue with some (brick), I also respect the hell out of the die hard passion here. So it's tough for me to sit on my hands.

Like a real journalist would

Dave, if you had to throw a guess out there, when would you expect Cousins to be ready for game action again?

 

[King Baller]

I have had a close family member with viral meningitis. 7 to 10 days was the feel a lot better point. Headaches and other symptoms did last for a month. Now My family member was not a professional athlete playing in the NBA so take my experience with a grain of salt.

Hey Dave, nice to see you post here no matter the circumstances. I Loved your road trip in the RV and your other efforts to save the Kings for Sacto, THANKS BUDDY!

GET WELL BOOGIE, I HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER SOON!!!

 

[Kingster]

Why the F is C. Dave reporting this and not someone directly from the Kings org? This seems very bush-league to me. Can't they have a doctor report to all concerned what the deal is?

 

[King Baller]

Also keep in mind Medicine is not always an exact science in that the Doctor looks at you and says "You have viral meningitis". In the case we dealt with it took a few days before we knew what was going on. It is not just a 48 hour flu bug. We had a scary time going back and forth to the Doctors and finally to an ER where it was correctly diagnosed.

All the secret squirrel conspiracy stuff is probably not happening. This is a persons private health issue we are dealing with. Not just the wins and losses of a basketball team.

KB

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You're putting way too much stock in what other people think. Our destiny does not depend on national media opinions. All we have to do is win.

I like how you say this, as if the media does not decide who gets selected to the All-NBA teams, or the All-Defensive teams. This was supposed to be a big year for establishing DeMarcus Cousins as a superstar, in getting him the recognition and accolades that he's earned. Not to mention that it was supposed to be a big year in terms of rehabilitating Gay's image as an "inefficient chucker," and establishing him as a viable sidekick. Cousins should not only have been a lock for his first All-Star selection, he would have been a lock for his first All-NBA selection, and he and Thompson would have at least been "others receiving votes" in the All-Defensive consideration. We should have come out of this year with no less than a ten-game improvement over last season (and a 12-15 game improvement seemed more likely), and going into the offseason with a bonafide superstar, a legitimate second option, and some solid complimentary role players in Collison, McLemore, Thompson and Casspi. And now it looks like it's all gone to ****

That might not sound like a big deal to you but, in light of the fact that Sacramento is a small market, that kind of narrative could make the difference between free agents like Brandan Wright being willing to sign with us for eight million, and trying to hold us up for eleven million. Which, in turn, could be the difference between being able to re-sign Casspi or not. And so on, and so forth.