Training camp roster/Media Day (merged)

PurpleHaze

PurpleHaze

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#91
#91
The Hammer said:
Thing is for Sim it's so much easier to trim down from the size he's at now. It's simple. Just look what a carb free diet did to Lebron. If he doesn't slim down, I'm putting that squarely on the team trainers for not having him do a paleo/carb free diet. It's PURELY lack of information. He's got the will. Just needs the simple diet instructions. I'm half tempted to call him up myself. I could probably get through, too.
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So many East Indians are vegetarian, around 400 million or about 40% of population in India avoiding meat. I assume Sim is very westernized so maybe for him steak, potatoes, milk shakes, the Golden Arches and all the rest is more reality. Surely a return to his classic roots with all those all those healthy, delicious curries, etc. could drop lots of excess weight and actually give him decent shot at NBA career.
 
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The Hammer

All-Star
#92
#92
PurpleHaze said:
So many East Indians are vegetarian, around 400 million or about 40% of population in India avoiding meat. I assume Sim is very westernized so maybe for him steak, potatoes, milk shakes, the Golden Arches and all the rest is more reality. Surely a return to his classic roots with all those all those healthy, delicious curries, etc. could drop lots of excess weight and actually give him decent shot at NBA career.
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See that's where I disagree, and think that might be a bit of a trap.

Low carb is absolutely the most effective way to lose weight. And this isn't even "in my humble opinion". It is my outspoken and proud opinion, because it is fact. You can lose weight by cutting calories, but if you want to have plenty of energy, you need to keep up the calories and cut the carbs, hence the insulin... I think I've had this discussion on here with a couple people. Always fun when I do!

I am now officially a Lebron fan now because he went on a Paleo-type diet this summer and that's how he lost the weight. Anyway I have a blog if you wanna learn more:

http://jeredthehealthfreak.blogspot.com/
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#93
#93
The Hammer said:
See that's where I disagree, and think that might be a bit of a trap.

Low carb is absolutely the most effective way to lose weight. And this isn't even "in my humble opinion". It is my outspoken and proud opinion, because it is fact. You can lose weight by cutting calories, but if you want to have plenty of energy, you need to keep up the calories and cut the carbs, hence the insulin... I think I've had this discussion on here with a couple people. Always fun when I do!

I am now officially a Lebron fan now because he went on a Paleo-type diet this summer and that's how he lost the weight. Anyway I have a blog if you wanna learn more:

http://jeredthehealthfreak.blogspot.com/
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oh boy.

Guys please read this on the role of carbs in the body/athletic exercise: http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate
 
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206Fan

All-Star
#94
#94
Sim really needs to lose weight if he's serious about being in the NBA...him being overweight when he's had time to slim down makes me really questions his work ethic and drive. He needs to really work on his conditioning before we can even get serious about him. I'd be really disappointed if he made the roster at all. He needs time in reno and time at the gym. He's a great guy, but no way he even lasts 5 minutes in a non stoppage NBA game.
 
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The Hammer

All-Star
#95
#95
Bricklayer said:
oh boy.

Guys please read this on the role of carbs in the body/athletic exercise: http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate
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Brick, thanks for the link. I'm actually quite well read and formally educated on macronutrient metabolism as I am a pre med student at the moment, and have a nutrition degree. The link you provided, frankly, I don't know how to say this nicely... kindergarten science? It's frankly propoganda from the grain industry, which has controlled the govt food guidelines since 1973. They leave out everything on ketones, fat metabolism, protein metabolism, pyruvate, the role of L-carnitine... a lot. It's very, very narrow. It's true, but it's only what happens in the presence of carbs. The body can use other things for fuels. Carbs absolutely need not be the main source of fuel for the muscles. Now, you don't have to eliminate carbs all together, but you certainly can gain great benefit from limiting them severely. You don't think Lebron worked out hard on his ketogenic atkins diet this summer? Of course he did. There are many athletes, including distance runners who eat some version of a "paleo" diet these days.
 
CruzDude

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#96
#96
PurpleHaze said:
So many East Indians are vegetarian, around 400 million or about 40% of population in India avoiding meat. I assume Sim is very westernized so maybe for him steak, potatoes, milk shakes, the Golden Arches and all the rest is more reality. Surely a return to his classic roots with all those all those healthy, delicious curries, etc. could drop lots of excess weight and actually give him decent shot at NBA career.
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Right idea, however Sim's family is from Punjab in western India. I think your right that the "westernized" living is responsible. Am sure the trainers and the players will pitch in to help him as he has the basketball skills to be next Yao Ming.
 
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sdballer

Starter
#97
#97
CruzDude said:
Am sure the trainers and the players will pitch in to help him as he has the basketball skills to be next Yao Ming.
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No, he doesn't. Yao was the consensus top choice and a league leading center who would have had an amazing career without injuries. Sim went unstaffed and tops out as a space eater with decent skill, who can play 10-15 minutes per game.
 
rainmaker

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#98
#98
The Hammer said:
Brick, thanks for the link. I'm actually quite well read and formally educated on macronutrient metabolism as I am a pre med student at the moment, and have a nutrition degree. The link you provided, frankly, I don't know how to say this nicely... kindergarten science? It's frankly propoganda from the grain industry, which has controlled the govt food guidelines since 1973. They leave out everything on ketones, fat metabolism, protein metabolism, pyruvate, the role of L-carnitine... a lot. It's very, very narrow. It's true, but it's only what happens in the presence of carbs. The body can use other things for fuels. Carbs absolutely need not be the main source of fuel for the muscles. Now, you don't have to eliminate carbs all together, but you certainly can gain great benefit from limiting them severely. You don't think Lebron worked out hard on his ketogenic atkins diet this summer? Of course he did. There are many athletes, including distance runners who eat some version of a "paleo" diet these days.
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I agree and also have ample experience with diet and nutrition, along with my wife being a nutritionist with both American and European experience. Crossfit guys, and gals, who regularly do some of the toughest workouts also go paleo. A distinction needs to be made between types of carbs as well. It's really the processed carbs and/or the carbs connected to processed food or refined sugar which isn't all that healthy and offers little nutritional benefit. A lot of that is connected to the ongoing gluten debate which has substance. Modern day, western gluten is not the gluten our ancestors ate nor is it natural or easily digestible substance and can cause a number of health problems. But that's what happens when food is modified in a lab.

Time and time again when people cut gluten out of their diets they see benefits, from clearer skin to less joint pain to improvement in or even the end of diabetes, less inflammation, increased energy, better moods and more normal digestion. When going gluten free, paleo or low-carb, you're also generally cutting out all the processed food, wheat, refined sugar, chemicals, artificial ingredients, etc, which are toxic to the body. There's a reason much of what is in our food supply is banned across the world and as some will argue there aren't any serious effects to what's in our food supply, we're one of, if not the fattest and unhealthiest nation in the world with the highest rate of cancer and highest % of the population on pharmaceutical drugs. It's one reason, as a popular example, why when people go to central or eastern, or even part of western Europe, they lose weight while eating more. It's in part due to the food being far healthier, along with more walking.

As for Slim, I seriously question his commitment to being an NBA player. To show up to your first training camp with that kind of a gut is ridiculous. Part is on our staff for not working with him this summer on dropping weight, part is on him for not doing some basic research on his own. Hopefully he'll be able to give us a decent 5-7 min stint each half though. We could use that.
 
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The Hammer

All-Star
#99
#99
So I just watched Kevin Love's media day interview on espn. The similarities to the Kings are that he's new to the team, and they have several new guys. Kind of building a new team obviously.

But when you hear him talk, it's obvious that they haven't had the new guys taking the past few weeks to gel, get to know each other, learn the plays, new terminology, etc. Our guys have. I think that tells you something right there about the level of professionalism that our leader-players and our players in general are bringing to the team.

This is in contrast to the way that Stauskas and Collison both have talked about getting here a few weeks ago, how valuable summer league was, reaching out to all the players personally, already knowing the plays, play call terminology, etc... saying that they have all the basic stuff down, so now they can get out and actually practice the stuff together.

Just seeing that contrast with such a highly touted team (ok maybe a bit of a talent difference), just struck me.
 
Glenn

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#100
#100
The Hammer said:
So I just watched Kevin Love's media day interview on espn. The similarities to the Kings are that he's new to the team, and they have several new guys. Kind of building a new team obviously.

But when you hear him talk, it's obvious that they haven't had the new guys taking the past few weeks to gel, get to know each other, learn the plays, new terminology, etc. Our guys have. I think that tells you something right there about the level of professionalism that our leader-players and our players in general are bringing to the team.

This is in contrast to the way that Stauskas and Collison both have talked about getting here a few weeks ago, how valuable summer league was, reaching out to all the players personally, already knowing the plays, play call terminology, etc... saying that they have all the basic stuff down, so now they can get out and actually practice the stuff together.

Just seeing that contrast with such a highly touted team (ok maybe a bit of a talent difference), just struck me.
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I think when Rudy and Boogie showed up at the Summer League it caught the attention of the rest of the team. Granted Boogie may have been there because of the national team but not Rudy.
 
kingsboi

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#101
#101
rainmaker said:
I agree and also have ample experience with diet and nutrition, along with my wife being a nutritionist with both American and European experience. Crossfit guys, and gals, who regularly do some of the toughest workouts also go paleo. A distinction needs to be made between types of carbs as well. It's really the processed carbs and/or the carbs connected to processed food or refined sugar which isn't all that healthy and offers little nutritional benefit. A lot of that is connected to the ongoing gluten debate which has substance. Modern day, western gluten is not the gluten our ancestors ate nor is it natural or easily digestible substance and can cause a number of health problems. But that's what happens when food is modified in a lab.

Time and time again when people cut gluten out of their diets they see benefits, from clearer skin to less joint pain to improvement in or even the end of diabetes, less inflammation, increased energy, better moods and more normal digestion. When going gluten free, paleo or low-carb, you're also generally cutting out all the processed food, wheat, refined sugar, chemicals, artificial ingredients, etc, which are toxic to the body. There's a reason much of what is in our food supply is banned across the world and as some will argue there aren't any serious effects to what's in our food supply, we're one of, if not the fattest and unhealthiest nation in the world with the highest rate of cancer and highest % of the population on pharmaceutical drugs. It's one reason, as a popular example, why when people go to central or eastern, or even part of western Europe, they lose weight while eating more. It's in part due to the food being far healthier, along with more walking.

As for Slim, I seriously question his commitment to being an NBA player. To show up to your first training camp with that kind of a gut is ridiculous. Part is on our staff for not working with him this summer on dropping weight, part is on him for not doing some basic research on his own. Hopefully he'll be able to give us a decent 5-7 min stint each half though. We could use that.
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Sim has no business giving us any kind of stint at this stage of his career, hell if ever. We have other players that need to build their trade value so we can ship them out.
 
kingsboi

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#102
#102
The Hammer said:
Brick, thanks for the link. I'm actually quite well read and formally educated on macronutrient metabolism as I am a pre med student at the moment, and have a nutrition degree. The link you provided, frankly, I don't know how to say this nicely... kindergarten science? It's frankly propoganda from the grain industry, which has controlled the govt food guidelines since 1973. They leave out everything on ketones, fat metabolism, protein metabolism, pyruvate, the role of L-carnitine... a lot. It's very, very narrow. It's true, but it's only what happens in the presence of carbs. The body can use other things for fuels. Carbs absolutely need not be the main source of fuel for the muscles. Now, you don't have to eliminate carbs all together, but you certainly can gain great benefit from limiting them severely. You don't think Lebron worked out hard on his ketogenic atkins diet this summer? Of course he did. There are many athletes, including distance runners who eat some version of a "paleo" diet these days.
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I know this if OT, but what do you plan on doing in your career with the Nutrition degree? I ask because I am going to pursue a degree in Dietetics.
 
HndsmCelt

HndsmCelt

Hall of Famer
#103
#103
I am looking at the day 2 pics and it does not see to me that Sim is as heavy as he was during Summer League. He is still too heavy but it seems as if he has been loosing weight since leaving college. I expect he will be heading to Reno and it will be interesting to see how his development goes over another year. Folks have to remember this is 21 year old kid who sat out his 1st year of college and only played one season, so in short he has had limited time and opportunity to learn discipline and build a work ethic.
https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/516328121998798849
 
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206Fan

All-Star
#106
#106
rainmaker said:
As for Slim, I seriously question his commitment to being an NBA player. To show up to your first training camp with that kind of a gut is ridiculous. Part is on our staff for not working with him this summer on dropping weight, part is on him for not doing some basic research on his own. Hopefully he'll be able to give us a decent 5-7 min stint each half though. We could use that.
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I do as well. Him showing up that big does not make it seem like he's serious about basketball. I don't think he'd even lasts 5-7 minutes in a NBA game. If he got 3-DNP in summer league, I doubt he gets any time here.. this is putting it in a nice way.
 
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206Fan

All-Star
#107
#107
HndsmCelt said:
I am looking at the day 2 pics and it does not see to me that Sim is as heavy as he was during Summer League. He is still too heavy but it seems as if he has been loosing weight since leaving college. I expect he will be heading to Reno and it will be interesting to see how his development goes over another year. Folks have to remember this is 21 year old kid who sat out his 1st year of college and only played one season, so in short he has had limited time and opportunity to learn discipline and build a work ethic.
https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/516328121998798849
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That's not true, he actually played 2 seasons in the NCAA. I think he will spend a lot of time in Reno
 
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The Hammer

All-Star
#109
#109
kingsboi said:
I know this if OT, but what do you plan on doing in your career with the Nutrition degree? I ask because I am going to pursue a degree in Dietetics.
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I'm actually going to go for a full MD degree now, but the nutrition degree and training will help me be a very uniquely trained doctor. Most doctors don't know squat about nutrition, which is sad. But changing!

I assume you are going for R.D.? There's a lot you can do with that. You can often times work in private practice and accept insurance.
 
kingsboi

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#110
#110
The Hammer said:
I'm actually going to go for a full MD degree now, but the nutrition degree and training will help me be a very uniquely trained doctor. Most doctors don't know squat about nutrition, which is sad. But changing!

I assume you are going for R.D.? There's a lot you can do with that. You can often times work in private practice and accept insurance.
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You are right about Doctors not knowing enough about Nutrition and the science behind it.

Yeah that is the plan, I was curious about the job market these days with R.D.'s also. By the way, what school are you attending?
 
bajaden

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#111
#111
I have no idea what Sim's weight is right now, but having seen him up close and personal in summer league, I would say that he appears slimmer now. He weighed around 360 at summer league, so if he's dropped 30 or so pounds, that's progress. It's a learning process, especially for him since he's not very experienced. The things he could get away with in college won't happen in the NBA. I doubt he played away from the basket on defense very much, if at all. I have no idea if he'll ever make the rotation of an NBA team, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I suspect he'll spend the entire year on the Bighorns. Maybe by this time next year, we can have a more positive conversation about him.
 
bajaden

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#112
#112
The Hammer said:
I'm actually going to go for a full MD degree now, but the nutrition degree and training will help me be a very uniquely trained doctor. Most doctors don't know squat about nutrition, which is sad. But changing!

I assume you are going for R.D.? There's a lot you can do with that. You can often times work in private practice and accept insurance.
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I have a couple of bad knee's that maybe I can get you to take a peak at.....o_O
 
CruzDude

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#113
#113
CruzDude said:
Right idea, however Sim's family is from Punjab in western India. I think your right that the "westernized" living is responsible. Am sure the trainers and the players will pitch in to help him as he has the basketball skills to be next Yao Ming.
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I should clarify. Sim has basic basketball skills in shooting, ball handling and under basketball movement which Yao had to a much higher degree of course. Other 7-2+ guys on the fringe of the NBA had height but not much else. If Sim can get down close to 300 lb then he should be able to showcase those skills with much better movement and conditioning with at least a year in Reno.
 
TonyTouch21

TonyTouch21

G-League
#115
#115
PurpleHaze said:
So many East Indians are vegetarian, around 400 million or about 40% of population in India avoiding meat. I assume Sim is very westernized so maybe for him steak, potatoes, milk shakes, the Golden Arches and all the rest is more reality. Surely a return to his classic roots with all those all those healthy, delicious curries, etc. could drop lots of excess weight and actually give him decent shot at NBA career.
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Yeah, for real! Maybe "Sim City" should move in with Mr. Ranadive and sit at the table with him. Vivek's eating right.
 
Albatros

Albatros

Starter
#120
#120
Bricklayer said:
He has to. He's a pair of pink ruffled panties as a "power" forward.
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If you say so, I mean he's not great at any position obviously, I just prefer him using his quickness at the 4 (taking match-ups into consideration obviously) rather than being basically a floating body at the 3.

Anyway by the bye.
 
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