Eric Bledsoe
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Except that it isn't. Kings don't have enough cap space to actually sign him to an offer sheet which gives the Suns a lot of ammunition in determining where he can end up.
He can either sign with a team that has cap room leaving the Suns to either match or then attempt to do a sign-and-trade.
Or they can reach a mutual agreement to where they will both look for a team without cap room to sign-and-trade him too. In the second scenario the Suns have as much say in the scenario as Bledsoe does.
He can either sign with a team that has cap room leaving the Suns to either match or then attempt to do a sign-and-trade.
Or they can reach a mutual agreement to where they will both look for a team without cap room to sign-and-trade him too. In the second scenario the Suns have as much say in the scenario as Bledsoe does.
That's hardly a reason for them to accept bad contracts in return. That's the point. It was package specific. If we offered them an actual package of Ben and enders...maybe, MAYBE, if we were the only ones offering anything they think, well Ben and DWill, they are good in a running game, and all these contracts die in year. So maybe they take that. But it has to be to their advantage. They have no reason at all to actually accept back stuff that will hurt them in the future. They are far from desperate with Bledsoe. they are covered, if he comes back at the QT there will be other offers. They will still have a chance next summer. All better options than relieving us of our worst junk contracts just to give away one of their best players.
You call that bluff before you damage your franchise. Then when Miami comes knocking next year, and Houston, and all the other good teams looking to get Bledsoe into their system at a bargain price, you bring it to him. Unless of course you think he'd actually be so determined to get to Sacto he'd turn down a chance to play for a contender.
If we really wanted him we need to put together a nice enough package to make Phoenix think hmm...you know, that's not too bad. Why take a risk/go to all the trouble otherwise? We've got to help them get better with our package. Anything that actually makes their situation worse is even worse than losing Bledsoe for nothing.
If we really wanted him we need to put together a nice enough package to make Phoenix think hmm...you know, that's not too bad. Why take a risk/go to all the trouble otherwise? We've got to help them get better with our package. Anything that actually makes their situation worse is even worse than losing Bledsoe for nothing.
I like Bledsoe and think that he would be great PG to get next to Cousins and Gay but I just cannot see how we pull this off. We just don't have the pieces and we don't have cap flexibility to do it.
Cousins-Gay-Stauskas-Bledsoe would be a nice core to build around but I just don't see how we can get this done. If we go ahead with the Bledsoe-Gay-Cousins then Smith is the last person you want at PF.
Cousins-Gay-Stauskas-Bledsoe would be a nice core to build around but I just don't see how we can get this done. If we go ahead with the Bledsoe-Gay-Cousins then Smith is the last person you want at PF.
Unless you think Bledsoe cannot be one of our version of "Big Three" (Cousins, Gay, and Bledsoe), I can understand your statement "we gained little".
What I don't understand is the unnecessary concern about giving-up our ending contracts "now" for Bledsoe, as if we are reserving those enders to sign multiple mediocre players again or one superstar player. Correct me if I am wrong, but I sensed that you want to procrastinate and save those enders for the future.
Are you saying we can get a Lebron or a better player than Bledsoe with those enders at some other time?
What I don't understand is the unnecessary concern about giving-up our ending contracts "now" for Bledsoe, as if we are reserving those enders to sign multiple mediocre players again or one superstar player. Correct me if I am wrong, but I sensed that you want to procrastinate and save those enders for the future.
Are you saying we can get a Lebron or a better player than Bledsoe with those enders at some other time?
Which he would cheerfully waive to go to a good team if he thought they would pay him in the end. heck, maybe even a bad team considering he'll be a free agent. Go to Milwaulkee for 4 months, average 20, and cha-ching.
But if he was my client what would happen s that he would end up signing for 4 and $52. My argument to him would be the same one I use to these idiots every time there is a lockout. They've got $12 on the table, I think I can get them to $13. Your qualifying offer is only $3.7. That means that if we go with the QT you will be leaving $9-10mil on the table this year, which means just to break even, we'd have to get a 4yr $57mil next year, $14 per. And that's just break even, while we incur the risk that you get injured in the intervening year. To make that sort of risk worth it we probably need to get the full max next season, and that's after a season in which we're going to be competing with both Goran and Isaiah for shots. I say take the $13 and run. That's $52 million dollars. be smart, and you're set for life. We can aim for max on the next one after you are established.
But if he was my client what would happen s that he would end up signing for 4 and $52. My argument to him would be the same one I use to these idiots every time there is a lockout. They've got $12 on the table, I think I can get them to $13. Your qualifying offer is only $3.7. That means that if we go with the QT you will be leaving $9-10mil on the table this year, which means just to break even, we'd have to get a 4yr $57mil next year, $14 per. And that's just break even, while we incur the risk that you get injured in the intervening year. To make that sort of risk worth it we probably need to get the full max next season, and that's after a season in which we're going to be competing with both Goran and Isaiah for shots. I say take the $13 and run. That's $52 million dollars. be smart, and you're set for life. We can aim for max on the next one after you are established.
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There's far too much common sense here to apply this to NBA free agency. 
Good rundown though. I could maybe see Houston making a max offer after they got left at the altar by Bosh and settled for Ariza instead of Parsons. They may feel the need to make a big splash this off-season and have a need at PG. Beyond that though, his prospects are dwindling which is why Phoenix is playing hardball here.
Good rundown though. I could maybe see Houston making a max offer after they got left at the altar by Bosh and settled for Ariza instead of Parsons. They may feel the need to make a big splash this off-season and have a need at PG. Beyond that though, his prospects are dwindling which is why Phoenix is playing hardball here.
Extremely doubtful we get Bledsoe for the primary reason being why would the Suns take back our crap (unless they think McLemore is suddenly going to average 20 a game). The odds are so low it's not even worth getting excited about. Fun to talk about though as we would suddenly be a very different team and certainly more fun to watch.
too bad we don't have the cap space or we could pin the Suns with a huge offer sheet. but I agree there is no realistic scenario for us to get Bledsoe.
I think this FO tries to get their name into every discussion - just a PDA way of doing things in general. "Kings among the interested teams... fill in the blank"
I think this FO tries to get their name into every discussion - just a PDA way of doing things in general. "Kings among the interested teams... fill in the blank"
That's not the point. You said the Suns have no reason to trade him. I pointed out they do have a reason. If Bledsoe takes the QO then the Suns risk having both Bledsoe and Dragic as UFA next year. That is a big risk for them to take and not receive anything back. Not to mention they would be playing with 2 key players they can't really plan on for the future. As an organization that could be a very big reason to get it all sorted out now.
Probably true, but if the Suns organization has any intelligent individuals, they already know we can't do a damn thing unless the Suns agree to the players we would give them. Basically, the Suns will dictate how this goes because there only a handful of teams that can offer Bledsoe what he is asking, and we are not one of them. Our only hope is that they agree to take back whatever it is we offer, so that they don't lose him next year. If I were the Kings, my trump card would be (assuming Bledsoe takes the qualifying offer or is thinking about it): "Listen, you didn't want to pay the kid and he will want out next offseason and you will lose him for nothing. The longer you wait to trade him, the less value he has because everyone and their mother will know you are desperate to get something of value in return for him before he leaves. You can, however, avoid said scenario if you are willing to deal with us right now. We have these players available: ______. Take your pick and we will make it work."
** Can be risky if it backfires. Might lose a trade partner for a good while. We have the advantage though, that we have already worked with the Suns very recently indeed. It just so happens, that they have 2 PGs and a rookie PG on the squad already.
** Can be risky if it backfires. Might lose a trade partner for a good while. We have the advantage though, that we have already worked with the Suns very recently indeed. It just so happens, that they have 2 PGs and a rookie PG on the squad already.
Or maybe, just maybe, it's because they actually ARE trying to make something happen.
EDIT: Oops. Looks like pshn80 and I are on the same page. I didn't see his response before I posted mine.
EDIT: Oops. Looks like pshn80 and I are on the same page. I didn't see his response before I posted mine.
Those who are hesitant on moving mountains to get Eric Bledsoe, you better watch these highlight video.
This kid is a complete player - the "Lebron James" of PGs.
With this kid you can go a long way even without that shot blocker BIG that Cousins wants to be paired with.
Eric Bledsoe:
Height without Shoes: 6' 0.25"
Height with Shoes: 6' 1.5"
I'll even rather lose 3 Rudy Gays for this kid.
Watch these videos:
and
http://www.nba.com/suns/video/2013/07/10/BledsoeFinal2mov-2536627
This kid is a complete player - the "Lebron James" of PGs.
With this kid you can go a long way even without that shot blocker BIG that Cousins wants to be paired with.
Eric Bledsoe:
Height without Shoes: 6' 0.25"
Height with Shoes: 6' 1.5"
I'll even rather lose 3 Rudy Gays for this kid.
Watch these videos:
and
http://www.nba.com/suns/video/2013/07/10/BledsoeFinal2mov-2536627
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Those who are hesitant on moving mountains to get Eric Bledsoe, you better watch these highlight video.
This kid is a complete player - the "Lebron James" of PGs.
With this kid you can go a long way even without that shot blocker BIG that Cousins wants to be paired with.
Eric Bledsoe:
Height without Shoes: 6' 0.25"
Height with Shoes: 6' 1.5"
I'll even rather lose 3 Rudy Gays for this kid.
Watch these videos:
and
http://www.nba.com/suns/video/2013/07/10/BledsoeFinal2mov-2536627
This kid is a complete player - the "Lebron James" of PGs.
With this kid you can go a long way even without that shot blocker BIG that Cousins wants to be paired with.
Eric Bledsoe:
Height without Shoes: 6' 0.25"
Height with Shoes: 6' 1.5"
I'll even rather lose 3 Rudy Gays for this kid.
Watch these videos:
and
http://www.nba.com/suns/video/2013/07/10/BledsoeFinal2mov-2536627
I know I would rather build around Cousins-Gay-Bledsoe than Cousins-Smith-Gay but one is more realistic to achieve than the other. It would be a much nicer balanced line up but I am afraid we just have to many bad contracts and not enough youngsters and/or picks to pull it off.
But that is not even a consideration here. If the reports are true and the front office is interested in Bledsoe, then it certainly won't be to break up the Cousins and Gay combo its to add to it. Front office see Rudy Gay as part of their vision. I agree with them. Now the trick is to add to that duo, not substract from it. Considering the lengths that the front office went to just to get Gay to opt in for that massive final year, there is no way that they will trade him a month later forBledsoe. Its sets a poor example and a dangerous precendent for the franchise. There would not be a good palyer in the NBA that would want to deal with the franchise seriously for years. You just don't do that.
Now, Bledsoe is not a max player at this stage but he might well end up being one and considering some of the other deals handed out this off-season, he might well be worth it based on the market. Having said that, he is a risky move. He had 2 surgeries on the same knee to touch up the meniscus. That is not something that we should overlook that easily considering the way he plays will continue to put a lot of stress on those knees. I would still be prepared to go for it and add him to Cousins and Gay which would really inject some much needed talent to the team but I am not sure we realistically have what it takes to make it happen.
Now, Bledsoe is not a max player at this stage but he might well end up being one and considering some of the other deals handed out this off-season, he might well be worth it based on the market. Having said that, he is a risky move. He had 2 surgeries on the same knee to touch up the meniscus. That is not something that we should overlook that easily considering the way he plays will continue to put a lot of stress on those knees. I would still be prepared to go for it and add him to Cousins and Gay which would really inject some much needed talent to the team but I am not sure we realistically have what it takes to make it happen.
Going with what Čarolija said, you basically make the rest of your roster available and label Cousins and Gay as untouchables. Those two plus Bledsoe make up an excellent core. You can build around a core like that. Only Rudy has entered his prime (only 27!). I would sign him for 13 million a year with incentives. I don't think Bledsoe quite deserves a max offer at this stage. Maybe for his next contract, but not this one.
Are you sure?
The money, not the player, is the issue. Could we have put ourselves in a financially flexible position for this offseason? Probably, but then we wouldn't have Gay. We could have had a little more wiggle room here or there even with Gay, but my guess is the FO (or much of the NBA) didn't think about clearing space for RFA. I can't really blame them, because that usually means really overpaying a player to get him away from his current team.
Those who are hesitant on moving mountains to get Eric Bledsoe, you better watch these highlight video.
This kid is a complete player - the "Lebron James" of PGs.
With this kid you can go a long way even without that shot blocker BIG that Cousins wants to be paired with.
Eric Bledsoe:
Height without Shoes: 6' 0.25"
Height with Shoes: 6' 1.5"
I'll even rather lose 3 Rudy Gays for this kid.
Watch these videos:
and
http://www.nba.com/suns/video/2013/07/10/BledsoeFinal2mov-2536627
This kid is a complete player - the "Lebron James" of PGs.
With this kid you can go a long way even without that shot blocker BIG that Cousins wants to be paired with.
Eric Bledsoe:
Height without Shoes: 6' 0.25"
Height with Shoes: 6' 1.5"
I'll even rather lose 3 Rudy Gays for this kid.
Watch these videos:
and
http://www.nba.com/suns/video/2013/07/10/BledsoeFinal2mov-2536627