Kings sign Darren Collison
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I support this move, because PDA I assume has the same injury concerns about IT that he did about Evans. Once he started having to play 35+mpg he broke down. And IT may not be as dependent on penetrating as Tyreke, but it's pretty close:
Our record when IT had 4+ FTA 25-23
Our record when IT had less than 3 FTA 1-23
Another pretty damning stat, since he's not here for his defense:
Our record when IT had 18+ FGA 0-14
As opposed to Rudy Gay
Our record when Gay had 16+ FGA 16-13
Our record when Gay had less than 16 FGA 5-21
Someone get Rudy the ball.
Our record when IT had 4+ FTA 25-23
Our record when IT had less than 3 FTA 1-23
Another pretty damning stat, since he's not here for his defense:
Our record when IT had 18+ FGA 0-14
As opposed to Rudy Gay
Our record when Gay had 16+ FGA 16-13
Our record when Gay had less than 16 FGA 5-21
Someone get Rudy the ball.
Asst% is directly affected by how much a PG has the ball in their hands.
IT had the 3rd highest Time of Possession in the league last year, but was 14th in creating assist opportunities.
Name Time of Poss. Asst Opportunities Asst/min
Thomas 7.6 13.2 1.736
Collison 3.6 7.5 2.083
Collison is a more effective passer and defender than IT. He is not a star, but he might be the role player we need for this team.
IT had the 3rd highest Time of Possession in the league last year, but was 14th in creating assist opportunities.
Name Time of Poss. Asst Opportunities Asst/min
Thomas 7.6 13.2 1.736
Collison 3.6 7.5 2.083
Collison is a more effective passer and defender than IT. He is not a star, but he might be the role player we need for this team.
Collison is a solid signing, and 3 years at 16 million is very reasonable for what he brings. It also leaves us the option of bringing in a star PG at some point and sliding Collison to the bench where he's already proven he can produce in limited minutes. He might not have the upside that drafting Payton would have given us, but he's a better bet to be a solid pro for the next couple years anyway. I'm on board with this pickup.
Cheer up. 
Frustrated by the moves of the new Kings FO certainly but I've long since passed the point of getting too up or down based on what is happening with the sports teams I follow.
It makes me a less passionate fan I suppose, but a healthier person overall.
It's a team game. Collison averaged 2 less FTA's per 36 min than IT last season, but that doesn't really matter if he can get some better looks for the rest of the team. He's also a better defender. Our scoring from the PG position may go down this year, but that doesn't mean we got worse at that position like some people will say we did. If the overall offensive effciency improves and Collison can have an impact defensively, the team should be better. And that's the end goal.
Yes and no. We've upgraded some in talent but also took on money and acquired some pieces that don't seem to fit. Every move is made with a wait til the next few moves mentality and at some point you can't keep kicking that can down the road.
I feel like 3 years is a lot of time to turn this team around and frankly some of the other lottery teams seem to have brighter futures with cap space, young talent and stockpiles of draft picks.
I feel like 3 years is a lot of time to turn this team around and frankly some of the other lottery teams seem to have brighter futures with cap space, young talent and stockpiles of draft picks.
http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/03/da...nba&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
According to SI, Collison is a terrible defensive player and has bad floor-reading skills.
According to SI, Collison is a terrible defensive player and has bad floor-reading skills.
This argument could go on forever and probably will. Let's see what happens on the court. I'm not sure that we had many options. By all that we know now IT would have cost more and with all the firepower we now have on offense (fingers crossed on Stauskas) we don't need IT's extraordinary offense. It is conjecture that IT would have fit as a back up PG or even accepted it without some internal grumblings. I doubt if we could afford to wait to see what happens with IT and now can relax a bit.
My stance is taken based on the theory that we don't need a super offensive starting PG. I have hopes for Ray as backup. Or starter. Who knows as time will tell. There are no sure things and this seems to be a reasonable signing given multiple factors.
We all need to step back and take a deep breath. I think with Gay, Stauskas, and Collison, the Kings got better. I also have my fingers crossed that Landry will be of use. So shoot me.
My stance is taken based on the theory that we don't need a super offensive starting PG. I have hopes for Ray as backup. Or starter. Who knows as time will tell. There are no sure things and this seems to be a reasonable signing given multiple factors.
We all need to step back and take a deep breath. I think with Gay, Stauskas, and Collison, the Kings got better. I also have my fingers crossed that Landry will be of use. So shoot me.
I don't see why he wouldn't. His chip on his shoulder and desire to be the best "little guard" come up a lot around here, mostly in negative light. I don't put too much on these sort of statements, but you can't say they indicate anything but a desire to keep "throwing his body around" as you put it.
Crusing thru some boards I also saw that he was bad at getting over screens hence the need to play him with chris paul, clipper/mavs fans complained about his entry pass ability, which we saw was a huge problem for us last year. Another knock on him has been BBIQ and decsion making, again a big weakness for us last year. He's lost his job at his two previous stops and has only played his best basketball backing up the best in the game. Lets see how the rest of this summer goes......
I do not see the need to use stretch provisions unless needed as part of S&T that increases our salary
Hoopshype has our salary for 11 players (including Acy and J Terry) at 66,547,358
Add in Nik at 120% rookie scale $2,745,840 and Collison at $5,300,000 and we are at $74,593,198 for 13 players
So if Luxury tax is at $77 mil then don't we have $2.4 mil for Trades/or one min contract from summer league?
I think using the stretch provision is dumb since that uses up potential valuable Enders at the trade deadline?
Hoopshype has our salary for 11 players (including Acy and J Terry) at 66,547,358
Add in Nik at 120% rookie scale $2,745,840 and Collison at $5,300,000 and we are at $74,593,198 for 13 players
So if Luxury tax is at $77 mil then don't we have $2.4 mil for Trades/or one min contract from summer league?
I think using the stretch provision is dumb since that uses up potential valuable Enders at the trade deadline?
I generally agree. I just wanted to point out that those stats regarding IT's free throws and the team's record seem to indicate more than anything that his ability to draw those FTs was an asset to the team's success, not a detriment, as was implied. His FG% up close was actually better than Cousins, too. Now, the hope is that Collison can offset that by creating better shots for others, and maybe we can get some penetration from Stauskas, too.
Honestly, like IT he may be better suited for a bench role but he has a reasonable salary and he may be a better fit with our other stars. I don't think he's the solution to all of our problems but I also think IT as a starter at big money wasn't the answer either. Again, if we can turn IT into another piece that fits, the Collison deal looks better to me.
I like the signing. There is no way a top FA is coming to Sac at this point and little likelihood that any S&T with IT was going to bring back another PG certainly not a top 10 guy. Sure Collison my not be the guy we WANT, but he is here now and serviceable. Unlike IT he also should have no problem taking a back up roll when/if a top PG is obtained through trades. At < 5 mill he makes sense as a 6th man when/should upgrade happen. Now lets see what happens with IT. I have said it before, we simply can't just let him walk, so I hope the Detroit deal works out, bringing in Josh Smith could make sense of the draft and the Collison deal.