Kings select for the 8th pick - Nik Stauskas

Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

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D-Wade said:
I have two words for everyone who is ready to give up on Ben..including the FO. "Paul George"...no one knew who the hell this kid was his first two seasons or coming into the draft. Ben need to spend a summer with the likes of D-Wade. He could learn a lot and for that reason I believe he is our 2 guard going forward.... I much rather us hold on to Ben and have him turn into a below average player then to let him go and he becomes one of the better 2 guard in the league...
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jay bilas said he might be the best player in the draft.

"I much rather us hold on to Ben and have him turn into a below average player then to let him go and he becomes one of the better 2 guard in the league..."

lmao that would be perfect reminder of a blown draft pick for the FO.
John Galt said:
I think I'm through being in denial about Ben. I remember when we drafted Ben, Scot Pollard said he had concerns which shocked me at the time because LBJ had posted "y'all are sleeping on McLemore" during the draft. But Scot said Ben could not go to his left, and it wasn't the kind of thing he thought could be developed at this stage. Now here we are with a super athletic guy who can jump out of the gym, is great on social media, who I really like... and.... who might not be able to play any kind of feature role in the NBA. I was saying to myself all year "Ben is not this bad. Ben is not this bad. Ben is not this bad." But it didn't take. From that first take to the hoop in the first game (where he bricked the dunk off the front of the rim), till the dunk contest silliness with Shaq...he has "lack of confidence" pasted right across his forehead. I always felt happy if Ben simply didn't look horrible for a few minutes (low bar). If we can still get something for him, we should. If we really ever declined a shot at Rondo because Ben was sacred (I doubt it), then shame on us.

Lets get Scot Pollard for our "special consultant" instead of Mully. Scot is, frankly, brilliant. Make him Associate GM / Director of Player Personnel till Pete's contract is up and groom him for the job. I think Pete is just being set up as the fall guy anyway - no sign that Vivek has real confidence in him and I even wonder if in fact he's in some kind of doghouse over the Landry deal. Yes I know I'm making it up... just guessing - no proof.

As for Stauskas, I'm really really happy with him at #8 but it seemingly just underscores the McLemore blunder. If Pete can unload McLemore we'll probably be better off. I think Scot was right about him.
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scot said both ben and trob not good. thats 2 for 2. trob didn't have the size. theres still a glimmer of hope for ben as a danny green level role player. how long do you think before vivek cans gerbil and promotes mully?
 
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Big Cuz 15 said:
jay bilas said he might be the best player in the draft.

"I much rather us hold on to Ben and have him turn into a below average player then to let him go and he becomes one of the better 2 guard in the league..."

lmao that would be perfect reminder of a blown draft pick for the FO.


scot said both ben and trob not good. thats 2 for 2. trob didn't have the size. theres still a glimmer of hope for ben as a danny green level role player. how long do you think before vivek cans gerbil and promotes mully?
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Soon as he feels he needs a fall guy. No sooner - no later.
 
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I can't believe how many people are convince this guy is a game changer without him playing one game in the NBA. OK, so he has a video of him making a bunch of shots with no one in front of him. You guys have no idea how easy that is... I'm not NBA player and I have hit 30 plus threes in a row on numerous occasions. Hitting wide open shots in the backyard is much easier than hitting shots during the flow of the game. Take a look at Ben in this shooting drill..you would think he'll be automatic from that range in a game. This was the wrong pick for us and I'll say that till the first day of the season and throughout the season when he is riding the bench.. Ben highlights in college makes Nik game look high schoolish. Like I said the NBA is a league of men.. Just like how Ben found, Nik will soon find out. By the way..IT was a much better shooter than Nik in college.
 
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And to prove my point! Hitting wide open shots during practice is just as easy as hitting layups which is why I'm not excited about a guy who hit 46 shots in a row.

 
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I can tell from a lot of these comments very few people here have been around the game of basketball growing up, which is why so many of you are claiming this guy to be a game changer...
 
SwishKing

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D-Wade said:
I can't believe how many people are convince this guy is a game changer without him playing one game in the NBA. OK, so he has a video of him making a bunch of shots with no one in front of him. You guys have no idea how easy that is... I'm not NBA player and I have hit 30 plus threes in a row on numerous occasions. Hitting wide open shots in the backyard is much easier than hitting shots during the flow of the game. Take a look at Ben in this shooting drill..you would think he'll be automatic from that range in a game. This was the wrong pick for us and I'll say that till the first day of the seasoned and throughout the season when he is riding the bench.. Ben highlights in college makes Nik game look high school. Like I said the NBA is a league of men.. Just like how Ben found, Nik will soon find out. By the way..IT was a much better shooter than Nik in college.
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This is just factually untrue. Nik averaged over 44% from 3 in both his years in college, while Isaiah Thomas never hit above 35%. Nik also hit FT at about a 15% higher rate than IT did in college.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nik_Stauskas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Thomas_(basketball)

But, please go on, keep spreading your ignorant opinion as fact.
 
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Understandably we are al a little impatient about how Nik will be, and Ben, even IT in whatever role he has with us or any other team. Being patient is hard for me except that it shows the interest is there and that is the potential for improvement is there - in our players play, in potential trades or staff additions, summer league promise, better training camp rosters, performances, new delights and disappointments, the remote chance that a dim light of approval is seen in Brick's eyes. These possibilities help me summon up a little patience.
 
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SwishKing said:
This is just factually untrue. Nik averaged over 44% from 3 in both his years in college, while Isaiah Thomas never hit above 35%. Nik also hit FT at about a 15% higher rate than IT did in college.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nik_Stauskas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Thomas_(basketball)

But, please go on, keep spreading your ignorant opinion as fact.
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First, welcome to the board.

Second, pay no attention to the few who feel the need to toss insults in with their posts. We try and keep this board friendly and civil.

Thanks.
 
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ShastaKingsFan

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D-Wade said:
I can tell from a lot of these comments very few people here have been around the game of basketball growing up, which is why so many of you are claiming this guy to be a game changer...
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You're missing the point. He proved his skills transfer into game time, on the biggest stage possible for him in the last couple years, at a Division 1 school against top competition.

That's all anyone can do to get drafted high, unless you play in a foreign league
 
Rob Sonic

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D-Wade said:
I can't believe how many people are convince this guy is a game changer without him playing one game in the NBA. OK, so he has a video of him making a bunch of shots with no one in front of him. You guys have no idea how easy that is... I'm not NBA player and I have hit 30 plus threes in a row on numerous occasions. Hitting wide open shots in the backyard is much easier than hitting shots during the flow of the game. Take a look at Ben in this shooting drill..you would think he'll be automatic from that range in a game. This was the wrong pick for us and I'll say that till the first day of the season and throughout the season when he is riding the bench.. Ben highlights in college makes Nik game look high schoolish. Like I said the NBA is a league of men.. Just like how Ben found, Nik will soon find out. By the way..IT was a much better shooter than Nik in college.
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I'd like to see the stats showing Thomas as a better shooter in college than Stauskas. After you've come up with nothing to back that claim I want to see a video of you making 30 3 pointers in a row. Put your money where your mouth is.
 
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SwishKing said:
This is just factually untrue. Nik averaged over 44% from 3 in both his years in college, while Isaiah Thomas never hit above 35%. Nik also hit FT at about a 15% higher rate than IT did in college.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nik_Stauskas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Thomas_(basketball)

But, please go on, keep spreading your ignorant opinion as fact.
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Statistically IT was not a better shooter.. My point is that IT hit shots with a higher degree of difficulty than Nik did in his college career.. Find me a video of this guy Nik taking his man off the dribble more then rising up for a jump shot more than 6 times in one game....
 
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D-Wade said:
Statistically IT was not a better shooter.. My point is that IT hit shots with a higher degree of difficulty than Nik did in his college career.. Find me a video of this guy Nik taking his man off the dribble more then rising up for a jump shot more than 6 times in one game....
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IT takes bad shots and hits a good percentage of them. So?

I'd rather have a guy that shoots better within the flow of the offense.
 
Monster

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D-Wade said:
Statistically IT was not a better shooter.. My point is that IT hit shots with a higher degree of difficulty than Nik did in his college career.. Find me a video of this guy Nik taking his man off the dribble more then rising up for a jump shot more than 6 times in one game....
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#1. Nik wasn't the primary ball handler in the Michigan offense and the offense didn't call for that type of game from Nik, though he did it on many occasions.
#2. A few of what you're looking for in here...


And don't give me anything about the level of competition because he murdered Gary Harris and Aaron Craft, two of the best defensive guards in the country, as well. Only player that really gave him trouble was Yogi Ferrell, but Nik adjusted his game and had no issues with him the next game. The kid learns and improves and makes everyone else around him better.
 
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Monster said:
#1. Nik wasn't the primary ball handler in the Michigan offense and the offense didn't call for that type of game from Nik, though he did it on many occasions.
#2. A few of what you're looking for in here...


And don't give me anything about the level of competition because he murdered Gary Harris and Aaron Craft, two of the best defensive guards in the country, as well. Only player that really gave him trouble was Yogi Ferrell, but Nik adjusted his game and had no issues with him the next game. The kid learns and improves and makes everyone else around him better.
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Oh geez...there you go confusing things with facts and stuff. :p
 
Monster

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D-Wade said:
And to prove my point! Hitting wide open shots during practice is just as easy as hitting layups which is why I'm not excited about a guy who hit 46 shots in a row.

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Bro, do you even understand the game of basketball? Seriously, I doubt you do. Look at the type of shots this guy is taking. He's indoors, taking his sweet time, and the shots are not always three point length. Anyone of some reasonable skill and experience and has a ton of time to dedicate to shooting one single shot can do this. What Nik did in his videos (when he was like 16 and 17 years old) this guy would have been lucky to hit five in a row. Besides, it's not like Nik is just a shooter. He's proven himself time and time again that he can take people off the dribble, break some ankles, and find an open passing lane if needed.

I haven't watched all of Nik's outside videos, but the ones I've seen have him shooting and making all of these in 5 minutes. I believe he made 74 in 5 minutes with only a few misses? I forget the exact number. And again, remember that Stauskas was a teenager at the time and hadn't had the benefit of college coaching.

Sure, he's a bit limited on defense. He'll work on that. I won't say he'll ever be all defensive team, but he'll be respectable. He works way too damn hard to have holes in his game.
 
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Monster said:
#1. Nik wasn't the primary ball handler in the Michigan offense and the offense didn't call for that type of game from Nik, though he did it on many occasions.
#2. A few of what you're looking for in here...


And don't give me anything about the level of competition because he murdered Gary Harris and Aaron Craft, two of the best defensive guards in the country, as well. Only player that really gave him trouble was Yogi Ferrell, but Nik adjusted his game and had no issues with him the next game. The kid learns and improves and makes everyone else around him better.
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Really nice video thanks! Little edge on the guy - seems to have star power a'la JWill maybe (just mean charisma, not skill set).
 
Monster

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Oh and I'll also add that it's stupid to judge players off of youtube videos in which a player does something crazy in a non-game situation.

To me, Stauskas has a high of being a multi-all star player. I don't think he's the next coming of Jordan or even Wade. His defense will hold him back from that. He'll be a damn good player for a long time. His low is probably a sixth or seventh man off the bench who comes in and makes an immediate impact, a bit like Manu for part of his career. Only thing that could cause him to bust is if he's injured and I don't ever remember him with any kind of injuries at Michigan. Maybe one other thing could be using him wrong. I think playing him at PG is a mistake. He is capable for short stretches, but that's not his game. He's better as a 2.
 
King Baller

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I think Nik Staukas will turn out all right. He will be schooled by the Tony Allen's of the NBA just like every Rookie. But Nik played in the Big Ten and was guarded by talented defenders every night. Here is a nice scouting report video from Draft Express. Details some of his strengths and weaknesses:

 
fursty13

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Monster said:
#1. Nik wasn't the primary ball handler in the Michigan offense and the offense didn't call for that type of game from Nik, though he did it on many occasions.
#2. A few of what you're looking for in here...


And don't give me anything about the level of competition because he murdered Gary Harris and Aaron Craft, two of the best defensive guards in the country, as well. Only player that really gave him trouble was Yogi Ferrell, but Nik adjusted his game and had no issues with him the next game. The kid learns and improves and makes everyone else around him better.
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Here's video of Stauskas vs. Harris (both games).
 
King Baller

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D-Wade said:
Statistically IT was not a better shooter.. My point is that IT hit shots with a higher degree of difficulty than Nik did in his college career.. Find me a video of this guy Nik taking his man off the dribble more then rising up for a jump shot more than 6 times in one game....
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They both were good in College. IT played four years to Nik's two. IT was was ice in the video below. Listen for the announcer say, "He's going to do it himself." That is the IT we all know and love:)

 
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