How would you grade D'Alessandro so far to this point??
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I think he saw it as an opportunity to sign a quality veteran player that can still produce for us in the future... Regardless of how he fits now, because fitting in right now isn't really what matters. Right now the signing looks questionable, but i'm willing to bet in 2 years we'll be praising it.
I'd give him an A so far. He extended Cousins, traded for Gay, didn't overpay for Tyreke, and got rid of some dead weight while doing all this. The only thing that might drop him a grade would be if Mclemore ends up being a bust, but almost the entire draft class looks poor at the moment so I'll withhold judgement.
I am going to give him a benefit of a doubt at this stage because I think he is still in the "talent acquisition" stage. When we look at the roster from the start of the season and now, I think he has upgraded the talent and that is largely based on the trade for Rudy Gay.
To be honest, I think he screwed up the draft and I don't think he is anywhere near ready to admit that he could have done a lot better. McLemore has been pretty bad so far. McCallum has barely played. I think he should have done a LOT better with the 7th pick in the draft. Our SG position is by far the worst position on the team.
I did not agree with letting Tyreke leave and especially getting what we got in return. Did not like the bleeding of talent especially after coach Malone looked really keen to work with Tyreke and was excited about his potential especially at the defensive end. I still think we would be better off with Tyreke at PG over IT. At least he is less selfish and infinitely better defender. He would have absolutely no trouble playing the role that the coach asked him to.
Landry signing was a WTF moment for me! I could see why they did it but did not agree with the approach. Certainly did not like the terms of the contract.
Trade for Mbah a Moute I absolutely LOVED. FINALLY a trade for a defensive specialist who could guard 4 positions. With the benefit of hindsight, I still would prefer Mbah a Moute over Williams with Gay on the roster.
Mbah a Moute deal I was not a fan of but could see the reasoning behind it. Upgrade in talent and is part of the "talent acquisition" stage that I mentioned earlier.
Then the blockbuster. Trade some trash for Rudy Gay. Classic case of talent grab when the value is at an all time low. His best move of the off-season by far. Helped off-set the loss of Tyreke but I still claim Cousins-Gay-Evans would be much better than Cousins-Gay-IT trio even with Evans at PG but the ship has sailed.
Thornton for Terry and Evans was one big nothing trade from my perspective. Saves us a bit of money but we lose on talent. So we are still a roster of mismatched pieces and have not improved much since the Gay trade. If anything we became less potent but that is debatable.
Overall, he gets a B- from me and that is heavily influenced by his trade for Rudy Gay. I can't help but feel that a more experienced GM would have done better with the same resources as PDA. I live in hope that he has a bigger picture of what it takes to get there and there have been some glimpses (like reported interest in Rondo and Shumpert earlier in the season and him looking for a pass first PG to get onto the team) but I look at it overall and close enough but no cigar is not good enough. He is still responsible for collecting a bunch of offensively talented players on to a team that is in desperate need of some high level defensive infusion).
I will give him until next season to see what he can get done before I make up my mind completely but I am far from convinced that he gets it!
To be honest, I think he screwed up the draft and I don't think he is anywhere near ready to admit that he could have done a lot better. McLemore has been pretty bad so far. McCallum has barely played. I think he should have done a LOT better with the 7th pick in the draft. Our SG position is by far the worst position on the team.
I did not agree with letting Tyreke leave and especially getting what we got in return. Did not like the bleeding of talent especially after coach Malone looked really keen to work with Tyreke and was excited about his potential especially at the defensive end. I still think we would be better off with Tyreke at PG over IT. At least he is less selfish and infinitely better defender. He would have absolutely no trouble playing the role that the coach asked him to.
Landry signing was a WTF moment for me! I could see why they did it but did not agree with the approach. Certainly did not like the terms of the contract.
Trade for Mbah a Moute I absolutely LOVED. FINALLY a trade for a defensive specialist who could guard 4 positions. With the benefit of hindsight, I still would prefer Mbah a Moute over Williams with Gay on the roster.
Mbah a Moute deal I was not a fan of but could see the reasoning behind it. Upgrade in talent and is part of the "talent acquisition" stage that I mentioned earlier.
Then the blockbuster. Trade some trash for Rudy Gay. Classic case of talent grab when the value is at an all time low. His best move of the off-season by far. Helped off-set the loss of Tyreke but I still claim Cousins-Gay-Evans would be much better than Cousins-Gay-IT trio even with Evans at PG but the ship has sailed.
Thornton for Terry and Evans was one big nothing trade from my perspective. Saves us a bit of money but we lose on talent. So we are still a roster of mismatched pieces and have not improved much since the Gay trade. If anything we became less potent but that is debatable.
Overall, he gets a B- from me and that is heavily influenced by his trade for Rudy Gay. I can't help but feel that a more experienced GM would have done better with the same resources as PDA. I live in hope that he has a bigger picture of what it takes to get there and there have been some glimpses (like reported interest in Rondo and Shumpert earlier in the season and him looking for a pass first PG to get onto the team) but I look at it overall and close enough but no cigar is not good enough. He is still responsible for collecting a bunch of offensively talented players on to a team that is in desperate need of some high level defensive infusion).
I will give him until next season to see what he can get done before I make up my mind completely but I am far from convinced that he gets it!
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The Landry signing makes it impossible for me to give anything above a C+,the Rudy Gay trade was mainly due to circumstance and that we were basically the only team willing to accept his contract, I liked the Williams deal but the Gay trade has pretty much cancelled that out. Depending on what Rudy does at the end of the year if he leaves than we wasted a chance to develop Williams.
Not resigning Evans was a excellent choice as well, I praise him for that Evans atm is no where near worth the 11million we would have had to overpay for. Also seeing that Vasquez is garbage and packaging him was a great move.
Atm it's C+ but everything can change quickly like everything in life, I can say one thing is that he's trying to shake things up we upgraded talent but the pieces still don't fit and the "culture" is still volitaile and the effort of the players is not close to consistant.
Not resigning Evans was a excellent choice as well, I praise him for that Evans atm is no where near worth the 11million we would have had to overpay for. Also seeing that Vasquez is garbage and packaging him was a great move.
Atm it's C+ but everything can change quickly like everything in life, I can say one thing is that he's trying to shake things up we upgraded talent but the pieces still don't fit and the "culture" is still volitaile and the effort of the players is not close to consistant.
incomplete. the carl landry signing was not a positive start. the derrick williams and rudy gay acquisitions were talent upgrades that give us no long-term sense of the future shape of the team (though i think a great many of us are inclined to consider rudy gay as a welcome addition going forward). the marcus thornton trade was clearly an effort to create "movable pieces" next season in jason terry and reggie evans...
elsewhere, PDA was unfortunately hamstrung by the previous regime regarding the kings 2014 draft pick, in that it can't actually be traded until draft day. that said, these more recent moves appear to be in anticipation of draft day, and in anticipation of future financial flexibility. so we won't have any clear understanding of PDA's "vision" for the team until we know how the kings will pick in the draft, whether or not they'll trade that pick altogether, whether or not they'll re-sign isaiah thomas, and whether or not rudy gay decides to opt out of his contract (and, in which case, whether or not the kings will re-sign gay)...
in my opinion, no "grade" can be given until at least the upcoming offseason has run its course, when hopefully the shedding of maloof-era mistakes has turned into a more competitive roster, rather than a collection of stand-ins for future moves...
elsewhere, PDA was unfortunately hamstrung by the previous regime regarding the kings 2014 draft pick, in that it can't actually be traded until draft day. that said, these more recent moves appear to be in anticipation of draft day, and in anticipation of future financial flexibility. so we won't have any clear understanding of PDA's "vision" for the team until we know how the kings will pick in the draft, whether or not they'll trade that pick altogether, whether or not they'll re-sign isaiah thomas, and whether or not rudy gay decides to opt out of his contract (and, in which case, whether or not the kings will re-sign gay)...
in my opinion, no "grade" can be given until at least the upcoming offseason has run its course, when hopefully the shedding of maloof-era mistakes has turned into a more competitive roster, rather than a collection of stand-ins for future moves...
I have to say incomplete at this point.
Here's an article on the Landry signing. Not sure if it belongs here or needs it's own topic. Summary is, we have too many pfs (he wasn't a need), poor use of cap space (if we want to keep our pg, where's the money) and he hasn't played well on top of that. No new ground really, but it's certainly relevant to this discussion. I'd throw in his age.
Somehow no one but the coaches and a few people here point to the veteran presence line. I think that's vastly overrated. Can a veteran be a great leader? Sure. Does simply having experience make that true? No. Look around where you work. Is every person with 10 years experience someone to look up to for the younger people? Sometimes the opposite is true. Maybe more often. Sometimes they think they're above the situation and won't waste their time on youth . Not sure if this is where Jason Terry falls, but his veteran status isn't doing much for us while he rehabs in Dallas.
As has been said, even with Landry playing well, the first two reasons still apply. I think it was a pretty large mistake. It made keeping jimmer a financial impossibility for one thing, it also makes it very tough to sign our pg. Forget about signing a FA to fill any of the other gaping holes in the roster. It made any jimmer improvement irrelevant to our situation other than as a means to trade him. Now jimmer is glued to the bench the last 27ish games cause the trade possibility is gone. It's a depressing way for his stint here to end. But that's how they played it.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1968062-was-carl-landry-signing-a-mistake-by-sacramento-kings
Here's an article on the Landry signing. Not sure if it belongs here or needs it's own topic. Summary is, we have too many pfs (he wasn't a need), poor use of cap space (if we want to keep our pg, where's the money) and he hasn't played well on top of that. No new ground really, but it's certainly relevant to this discussion. I'd throw in his age.
Somehow no one but the coaches and a few people here point to the veteran presence line. I think that's vastly overrated. Can a veteran be a great leader? Sure. Does simply having experience make that true? No. Look around where you work. Is every person with 10 years experience someone to look up to for the younger people? Sometimes the opposite is true. Maybe more often. Sometimes they think they're above the situation and won't waste their time on youth . Not sure if this is where Jason Terry falls, but his veteran status isn't doing much for us while he rehabs in Dallas.
As has been said, even with Landry playing well, the first two reasons still apply. I think it was a pretty large mistake. It made keeping jimmer a financial impossibility for one thing, it also makes it very tough to sign our pg. Forget about signing a FA to fill any of the other gaping holes in the roster. It made any jimmer improvement irrelevant to our situation other than as a means to trade him. Now jimmer is glued to the bench the last 27ish games cause the trade possibility is gone. It's a depressing way for his stint here to end. But that's how they played it.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1968062-was-carl-landry-signing-a-mistake-by-sacramento-kings
I gave him a C. If the option was there, it would be a C+.
Judging him on roster building, he is in the D range.
Cuz and Rudy are players, but aside from them we only have 1 PG, zero defenders, a crap SG rotation (do we even have a rotation post MT trade?), a half dozen PF's ranging in skill from mediocre to bad, and a bunch of role players whose only roll should be waving towels at the end of the bench. There has been no improvement in the W/L. The Landry signing was horrible, and will continue to be horrible until he is off the books in 2018. If you're going to overpay someone, overpay Tyreke.
PDA has gotten us two prospects in Williams and McLemore. They've shown flashes. He traded a bunch of crap and got us Rudy Gay. I've never been a fan of Rudy, but the guy has been playing the best ball of his career with us, so he's winning me over. He works well with Cousins and that's the main thing.
Judging PDA on roster cleaning, he is in the B range. He has shipped out every GP era player with a smidgen of value. As evidenced by this past trade deadline (wherein Pete made EVERYONE not named Cousins or McLemore available, and got zero interest) a lot of the GP era garbage is going to be with us until they expire.
I'll give PDA another offseason + trade deadline to really prove his worth. Based on his moves, I'm not overly optimistic. Based on what Petrie left him to work with, I cant be overly critical.
Judging him on roster building, he is in the D range.
Cuz and Rudy are players, but aside from them we only have 1 PG, zero defenders, a crap SG rotation (do we even have a rotation post MT trade?), a half dozen PF's ranging in skill from mediocre to bad, and a bunch of role players whose only roll should be waving towels at the end of the bench. There has been no improvement in the W/L. The Landry signing was horrible, and will continue to be horrible until he is off the books in 2018. If you're going to overpay someone, overpay Tyreke.
PDA has gotten us two prospects in Williams and McLemore. They've shown flashes. He traded a bunch of crap and got us Rudy Gay. I've never been a fan of Rudy, but the guy has been playing the best ball of his career with us, so he's winning me over. He works well with Cousins and that's the main thing.
Judging PDA on roster cleaning, he is in the B range. He has shipped out every GP era player with a smidgen of value. As evidenced by this past trade deadline (wherein Pete made EVERYONE not named Cousins or McLemore available, and got zero interest) a lot of the GP era garbage is going to be with us until they expire.
I'll give PDA another offseason + trade deadline to really prove his worth. Based on his moves, I'm not overly optimistic. Based on what Petrie left him to work with, I cant be overly critical.
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Solid B. The Gay and Williams talent grabs were excellent. Also, we seemingly picked Acy out of thin-air, who can be a strong 9th-10th man off the bench. People bash Landry, but I'm not near ready to give up on him yet. He simply hasn't been healthy. What we saw last night is what he does on a consistent basis. He also correctly evaluated Reke, who hasn't come close to living up to that contract. Essentially, not overpaying him let us grab Gay/Williams/Landry. Easily a good swap.
Generally in agreement with you only I want to add something about the whole "GP era garbage" - namely that I don't think the players are as bad as we like to make them out to be. The problem with making everyone available is that teams specifically know that you've got zero leverage. They know that PDA is just trying to ship guys like JT, MT and Jimmer out, and if I'm another team's GM I'm going to lowball PDA. We're one of the worst teams in the league - at worst those other teams don't make a deal and they remain better than us. They're not the ones that desperately need some change in the organization and roster - we are. And so realistically speaking, any moves (such as the MT one) would be very lateral ones at best. MT hasn't been playing well this season, but if allowed to go back to his chucking ways might just get back to being his old 20 point scoring self. We had/ have limited assets that teams would actually be willing to give up something for - namely IT and McLemore, who at least has potential of sorts. That doesn't mean that JT is a garbage player, it just means that teams don't view the "risk" of taking on someone who's only ever been on a losing team worth giving up any valuable assets for.
Even if McLemore never pans out, can't really blame Pete for taking him. He was supposed to be a top 3 pick and he fell to us. And the tools are there for him to be special
It's not like taking an undersized PF that is never going to magically grow. When a guy like Andre Drummond was available
It's not like taking an undersized PF that is never going to magically grow. When a guy like Andre Drummond was available
Even if McLemore never pans out, can't really blame Pete for taking him. He was supposed to be a top 3 pick and he fell to us. And the tools are there for him to be special
It's not like taking an undersized PF that is never going to magically grow. When a guy like Andre Drummond was available
It's not like taking an undersized PF that is never going to magically grow. When a guy like Andre Drummond was available
Every time you get a top 10 pick they need to turn into at least a productive player. not an all star but solid level role playing starter regardless of the depth of the draft.
The amount resources and effort that goes into scouting these days, there should be absolutely no excuses for having monumental **** ups inside top 10. Not that McLemore is a monumental **** up at this point but gee whiz he is fast approaching those TRob levels of suckiness!
