People point out Gay's mistakes all of the time... for that matter, DMC, and any one else gets similar treatment. Difference is, and I can't figure out why, the IT fanboys are just toooo sensitive. When they feel like their guy is getting targeted, they get defensive and escalate the issue, demanding an explanation which they never agree with. It's a vicious cycle that all you start. Why do you care so much if IT is criticized? Does it personally affect you?
[Game] Kings vs. Warriors - 19 FEB 2014, 22:00 EST/19:00 PST
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Call me an IT fanboy all you want, but I'd like to say again that I was banned from Sactown Royalty for saying that IT should be a 6th man and Tyreke should get a shot at pg again. I don't understand the IT hate... he's the best choice for PG. Do you guys really want Ray at pg just so IT should come off the bench??
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It appears this needs to be said. Boogie and Rudy have different responsibilities than IT.
Boogie is out top offensive weapon, the focus of our offense who's expected to drop 23/11 or more on a nightly basis. His job is not to get IT or Rudy going, nor anyone else. His job is to set up others when the doubles/triples come.
Rudy is our #2 option. A scorer. He's supposed to put up 20+ pts, offer a wingman to Boogie and draw the defensive attention away from Boogie. He's another guy expected to draw double. He's not out there to create for Boogie/IT or anyone else until that double comes.
IT however has a juggling act. He's our #3 option, but his role differs from Boogie/Rudy as he certainly is supposed to set up and create for Boogie/Rudy, as well as everyone else. He's the PG. That's a PG's responsibility.
Both Boogie and Rudy can fill their roles on this team and have good games and their creation for others isn't a requirement or prerequisite for it. It is much tougher to apply that same line of thinking to a PG. The PG's who can do that are wanted as they're extremely valuable.
Edit: Then Malone comes out and says our unwillingness to share the ball is alarming. If you think that responsibility doesn't fall on the PG, not sure what to say. You'll rarely hear a coach say that when his PG WAS sharing the ball and creating most of the night.
Boogie is out top offensive weapon, the focus of our offense who's expected to drop 23/11 or more on a nightly basis. His job is not to get IT or Rudy going, nor anyone else. His job is to set up others when the doubles/triples come.
Rudy is our #2 option. A scorer. He's supposed to put up 20+ pts, offer a wingman to Boogie and draw the defensive attention away from Boogie. He's another guy expected to draw double. He's not out there to create for Boogie/IT or anyone else until that double comes.
IT however has a juggling act. He's our #3 option, but his role differs from Boogie/Rudy as he certainly is supposed to set up and create for Boogie/Rudy, as well as everyone else. He's the PG. That's a PG's responsibility.
Both Boogie and Rudy can fill their roles on this team and have good games and their creation for others isn't a requirement or prerequisite for it. It is much tougher to apply that same line of thinking to a PG. The PG's who can do that are wanted as they're extremely valuable.
Edit: Then Malone comes out and says our unwillingness to share the ball is alarming. If you think that responsibility doesn't fall on the PG, not sure what to say. You'll rarely hear a coach say that when his PG WAS sharing the ball and creating most of the night.
My point with those guys is that the wins aren't there for those guards either, yet Kyrie is an All-Star, everyone loves Rubio, and Jrue Holiday, etc. They would never be blames for their teams struggles, but here? forget about it. It's Thomas. (Not saying that is your opinion, but if there was some poll asking which player is holding us back from winning the most, I'd bet Thomas would win that poll)
But see, where all these conversations really break down is right at this point, where WE, as outsiders, have no idea what Thomas is 'supposed' to do. Or what Malone wants him to do. I saw him pass the ball to Gay quite a bit tonight, albeit not in GREAT scoring positions, but Rudy wasn't moving towards those positions either. So what offense is that? Is that Thomas not creating, or Malone calling for Gay to get the ball on the perimeter with a near full shot clock? And Rudy was going up against Iggy tonight. Not exactly easy for him.
I think IT does create SOME looks. Im not going to lie to anyone and tell them he is a great playmaker, but I think the answer to that lies somewhere in the middle of both opinions. He certainly is more of a scorer than a passer, but that is who he is. PDA knows that, you know that, I know that, everyone here should know that by now. And plenty of teams have that kind of point guard. Curry is that kind of point guard, and I'm not comparing the two, really, just making the point that lead guards that are offense/scoring focused DO exist in starting roles around the league.
And I liked IT as a starter in that role BEFORE the Gay deal. That was when I was making most of my Thomas noise. I thought Thomas and Cousins could coexist in the same offense, but Gay was brought it and created the shot crunch that we have right now.
So I will surrender the point that he isn't the best fit for this roster, but I will still defend him as a player. I think he's good. And I think some of the comments lobbed at him here are misguided.
But see, where all these conversations really break down is right at this point, where WE, as outsiders, have no idea what Thomas is 'supposed' to do. Or what Malone wants him to do. I saw him pass the ball to Gay quite a bit tonight, albeit not in GREAT scoring positions, but Rudy wasn't moving towards those positions either. So what offense is that? Is that Thomas not creating, or Malone calling for Gay to get the ball on the perimeter with a near full shot clock? And Rudy was going up against Iggy tonight. Not exactly easy for him.
I think IT does create SOME looks. Im not going to lie to anyone and tell them he is a great playmaker, but I think the answer to that lies somewhere in the middle of both opinions. He certainly is more of a scorer than a passer, but that is who he is. PDA knows that, you know that, I know that, everyone here should know that by now. And plenty of teams have that kind of point guard. Curry is that kind of point guard, and I'm not comparing the two, really, just making the point that lead guards that are offense/scoring focused DO exist in starting roles around the league.
And I liked IT as a starter in that role BEFORE the Gay deal. That was when I was making most of my Thomas noise. I thought Thomas and Cousins could coexist in the same offense, but Gay was brought it and created the shot crunch that we have right now.
So I will surrender the point that he isn't the best fit for this roster, but I will still defend him as a player. I think he's good. And I think some of the comments lobbed at him here are misguided.