2014 Draft Prospects:

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Colorado went zone no post player will score on a zone in college and he had foul issues

Let us not get too carried away with the term superstar. Yes, its a possibility, and to be honest, if we draft him I don't really care if he turns into a superstar, as long as he's as advertised on defense. The superstar part would be a huge bonus. I just don't want to lay that kind of expectation on the kid.
I think if he is giving you great defense and you can run an offense through him ( with his post moves, size and passing he has that potential) then he is a super star.

Would you consider Hibbert a superstar? Or guys like Chandler, Ibeka, and Noah superstars if they gave you 18points along with there defense.
 

Kingster

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I think we can all agree on this! Unfortuantely, most teams aren't so willing to get rid of their picks as they were in the past. Some of that has to do with this particular draft, and some of it has to do with the new CBA, which put severe limits on teams over the cap, and even more if your over the luxury tax limit. The new CBA limits player movement much more than before. For instance, if your over the Luxury tax limit for more than two years, there are limits on the kind of trades you can make. There are limits on how many players you can have on your team that have the Bird exception. And that's not to mention the huge financial penalty they have to pay.

So the draft becomes the cheapest and best way to build your team. Do your homework and you get a good player, maybe a great player, for 4 years at a very reasonable price. I really doubt that you'll ever see a team with three high priced players on it at the same time again. Unless your owner is a billionaire and doesn't care about throwing money away. And in that case, you had better already have them on your team.
Maybe this is one year in which we have an owner willing to buy a 2nd round pick instead of sell it!
 

Glenn

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Maybe this is one year in which we have an owner willing to buy a 2nd round pick instead of sell it!
This matches very well with the note that said he was relieved we didn't take money back. There's a new sheriff in town, pardner, and he's an Indian.
 

bajaden

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Colorado went zone no post player will score on a zone in college and he had foul issues



I think if he is giving you great defense and you can run an offense through him ( with his post moves, size and passing he has that potential) then he is a super star.

Would you consider Hibbert a superstar? Or guys like Chandler, Ibeka, and Noah superstars if they gave you 18points along with there defense.
I don't really like the term superstar because its been diminished over the years. Today, just about everyone that can put up 20 and 10 is a superstar to someone. To define a superstar is difficult. At least for me. To my mind, its a player that's better at just about everyone else in the NBA that plays his position. He almost transcends the game. He's able to single handedly put his team on his back, and carry them across the finish line. He's a player, that all other players will be compared to, and judged against. And he's a player that sustains that high level for most of his years in the NBA. So no, I don't consider Hibbert a superstar, nor do I consider Chandler, Ibeka or Noah superstars. Their very good players and in some cases, they might be considered stars. But not superstars. I reserve that title for the Jordan's and Birds of the world. I would love to have Hibbert on my team, but Hibbert is no Wilt Chamberlain. Nor is he Hakeem Olajuwon. Those were superstars.

And hey, Embiid may one day be considered a superstar. I hope he becomes one. Especially if we end up drafting him. But it wouldn't be fair to put that kind of expectation on him.
 
I don't really like the term superstar because its been diminished over the years. Today, just about everyone that can put up 20 and 10 is a superstar to someone. To define a superstar is difficult. At least for me. To my mind, its a player that's better at just about everyone else in the NBA that plays his position. He almost transcends the game. He's able to single handedly put his team on his back, and carry them across the finish line. He's a player, that all other players will be compared to, and judged against. And he's a player that sustains that high level for most of his years in the NBA. So no, I don't consider Hibbert a superstar, nor do I consider Chandler, Ibeka or Noah superstars. Their very good players and in some cases, they might be considered stars. But not superstars. I reserve that title for the Jordan's and Birds of the world. I would love to have Hibbert on my team, but Hibbert is no Wilt Chamberlain. Nor is he Hakeem Olajuwon. Those were superstars.

And hey, Embiid may one day be considered a superstar. I hope he becomes one. Especially if we end up drafting him. But it wouldn't be fair to put that kind of expectation on him.
I agree superstar is thrown around a lot like on Carmelo. Have to see what hibbert does this year but he is approaching that status he just dominates the defensive side he just needs to pick up a little on offense

After the Gay trade I think we will be picking 7-11 and in there we are looking at guys like Aaron Gordon, Noah Vonleh, Rodney Hood, and LaVine. All good impact players
 
At that range WCS is your first choice with LaVine close second IF he shows he can dribble under pressure, so that you can groom him as token starting PG who brings up the ball, catch&shoots and defends and then may take backup SG minutes if needed.
 
I don't really like the term superstar because its been diminished over the years. Today, just about everyone that can put up 20 and 10 is a superstar to someone. To define a superstar is difficult. At least for me. To my mind, its a player that's better at just about everyone else in the NBA that plays his position. He almost transcends the game. He's able to single handedly put his team on his back, and carry them across the finish line. He's a player, that all other players will be compared to, and judged against. And he's a player that sustains that high level for most of his years in the NBA. So no, I don't consider Hibbert a superstar, nor do I consider Chandler, Ibeka or Noah superstars. Their very good players and in some cases, they might be considered stars. But not superstars. I reserve that title for the Jordan's and Birds of the world. I would love to have Hibbert on my team, but Hibbert is no Wilt Chamberlain. Nor is he Hakeem Olajuwon. Those were superstars.

And hey, Embiid may one day be considered a superstar. I hope he becomes one. Especially if we end up drafting him. But it wouldn't be fair to put that kind of expectation on him.
Or you could add one more star level-Uberstar. For instance, i would consider Durant a Superstar, but Lebron an Uberstar. Just like back in the day i considered Webber a Superstar and Kobe an Uberstar. i would then put the likes of Hibbert, Noah etc into the Star level.
 
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Kingster

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I don't really like the term superstar because its been diminished over the years. Today, just about everyone that can put up 20 and 10 is a superstar to someone. To define a superstar is difficult. At least for me. To my mind, its a player that's better at just about everyone else in the NBA that plays his position. He almost transcends the game. He's able to single handedly put his team on his back, and carry them across the finish line. He's a player, that all other players will be compared to, and judged against. And he's a player that sustains that high level for most of his years in the NBA. So no, I don't consider Hibbert a superstar, nor do I consider Chandler, Ibeka or Noah superstars. Their very good players and in some cases, they might be considered stars. But not superstars. I reserve that title for the Jordan's and Birds of the world. I would love to have Hibbert on my team, but Hibbert is no Wilt Chamberlain. Nor is he Hakeem Olajuwon. Those were superstars.

And hey, Embiid may one day be considered a superstar. I hope he becomes one. Especially if we end up drafting him. But it wouldn't be fair to put that kind of expectation on him.
Just as a starting point in the conversation on what constitutes a superstar, to my mind, usually a superstar is a guy who can get his shot off against anybody. Superstars can't stop superstars. Nobody can really stop a superstar from having a positive impact on the game except for the superstar himself. If Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Magic, the old Isaiah Thomas, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Hakeem, Kobe, LBJ, if any one of those guys wanted to get a shot, they were going to get a shot. Or maybe another definition of superstar is similar to the one proposed by the Supreme Court on "obscenity": You know it when you see it.
 
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bajaden

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I agree superstar is thrown around a lot like on Carmelo. Have to see what hibbert does this year but he is approaching that status he just dominates the defensive side he just needs to pick up a little on offense

After the Gay trade I think we will be picking 7-11 and in there we are looking at guys like Aaron Gordon, Noah Vonleh, Rodney Hood, and LaVine. All good impact players
I'm not as liberal with La Vine as you are. Yes, he's very athletic, and appears so far to be a good outside shooter. Lets wait till march and see where he is. I'm not going to take a player that suddenly bursts onto the scene move him into the top ten of the draft. I've seen too many flame outs in my time. I'm not being critical of him. All I'm saying is so far so good. As of right now, he's only listed on NBA Draft.com. Which is always weird early in the season. DraftExpress is far more accurate. But none of means anything right now. Lets wait and see if he starts to get more national recognition.
 

bajaden

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At that range WCS is your first choice with LaVine close second IF he shows he can dribble under pressure, so that you can groom him as token starting PG who brings up the ball, catch&shoots and defends and then may take backup SG minutes if needed.
By the way, Cauley-Stein was very good in his last game. He's a very good athlete, and aside from Randle, he's probably the next best player on the Kentucky team. I watched 3 Kansas games, two of them over again just to get another look at Embiid. The only big question I have about him going forward, and I'm not going to brand him with it, but its his hands. He misses a lot of passes, and loses a lot of rebounds because of his hands. Even if his hands don't end up being what I want them to be, he's still going to be a hell of a player. But I'd like to see better rebounding out of him. One more thing, and its certainly correctable, and its that almost every time he's passed the ball in the low post, he puts it on the floor instead of making his move to the basket. Bad habit the will result in a turnover in the NBA. But as I said, very correctable.

Between the two of Cauley-Stein, and Embiid, Cauley-Stein is more NBA ready, but Embiid has the most upside. I think both will be good players in the NBA.
 
I'm liking Cauley-Stein a little bit more than previously. I have worries about his mental make-up, and how he and Cousins on the same team would co-exist. Yes, partially based on his hair, lol. Couldn't believe the Boise State players kept shooting in the paint against him, obviously a very small team but C-S did what he was supposed to do, and smother them.

I'd be disappointed if the Kings end up with him though with such amazing talent available this season. Don't get me wrong, most years I'd be fine with him. It's just this years draft is so loaded that if the Kings did pick him, it would mean they didn't get one of the upper tier players. Really high on Exum right now.
 
Loving how Julius Randle's talent projects to the NBA. He's a little cramped right now in the NCAA, but once he gets some space and one-on-one in the NBA, he's going to be tough to handle.

Moves really well, nice footwork, active, nose for the ball, skilled. Reckless too, but that's part of his game.
 
I like Julius Randle and Joel Embiid a lot. Jabari Parker has a money mid-range J, but... Andrew Wiggins is smooth and explosive, and just looks super effortless like he's gliding on the court. I kind of question whether he has an elite skill on offense, but that's why we need a full college season and greater competition to form conclusions. Aaron Gordon is interesting in a lower level scale. Zach LaVine will be a great tertiary scorer in five-man lineups, athletic, can shoot, pinch point a little, but I have to question his defense.
 

bajaden

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I'm liking Cauley-Stein a little bit more than previously. I have worries about his mental make-up, and how he and Cousins on the same team would co-exist. Yes, partially based on his hair, lol. Couldn't believe the Boise State players kept shooting in the paint against him, obviously a very small team but C-S did what he was supposed to do, and smother them.

I'd be disappointed if the Kings end up with him though with such amazing talent available this season. Don't get me wrong, most years I'd be fine with him. It's just this years draft is so loaded that if the Kings did pick him, it would mean they didn't get one of the upper tier players. Really high on Exum right now.
Well, it sounds more like you'd be disappointed at where were picking than in Cauley-Stein. Obviously if were picking in the top five, we won't be picking Cauley-Stein. But if we end up in the 8 to 10 range, I'd be very happy with him. He's a good athlete, and to be honest, I think he runs the floor better than Embiid. As I said, Embiid has more long range potential, but WCS is no slouch, and I'm not sure why you think he might not be a good fit next to Cousins, hair color aside. Vonleh is another player that could be there in the 8 to 10 range.
 

bajaden

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I like Julius Randle and Joel Embiid a lot. Jabari Parker has a money mid-range J, but... Andrew Wiggins is smooth and explosive, and just looks super effortless like he's gliding on the court. I kind of question whether he has an elite skill on offense, but that's why we need a full college season and greater competition to form conclusions. Aaron Gordon is interesting in a lower level scale. Zach LaVine will be a great tertiary scorer in five-man lineups, athletic, can shoot, pinch point a little, but I have to question his defense.
I agree with your assessment. Especially with Wiggins. If Wiggins had Parker's skill set then you really have something, not to say you won't have something a bit down the road. Wiggins athleticism is off the charts. Yes, his 3 pt shot needs to be more consistent, but its far from bad. Yes he needs to attack the basket more, and his ballhandling, which isn't that bad, needs to be a little better. The thing is, he really isn't that far away. Its not like he's raw, just not refined. Someone stated that he thought Randle will be better in the NBA, and I agree wholeheartedly. In the NBA you can't just put your lawn chair down in the post and sit on it like you can in college. Give this kid some spacing, and he's going to be great. Right now all opposing teams are just clogging the middle and daring him to attack the basket.

My favorite is still Parker. If there is a god, and justice, he'll find a way for us to end up with him. The jury is still out for me on La Vine, but I like what I've seen from him so far. Not sure he can play the PG position, but did some research and he did play that position in highschool, so maybe. If nothing else, its nice to have that kind of talent floating around in the first round.
 
Eh on Parker himself, and eh on where he would fit on this team; I feel that with Rudy Gay (who undoubtedly is going to pick up his option for next year), Derrick Williams, Carl Landry and company, we already have our fair share of 3/4 hybrid types. Jabari is definitely, at least to me, a face-up 4. I don't think there's any "3" to his game in terms of build--we don't see too many 240 lb SFs in the league--but also in terms of vision. His game is perfectly tailored for pick and roll type scenarios or as a release valve for jumpers off guard penetration, and Duke's really giving him a lot of spot-up shots to immerse in.

So that's fit. Parker himself? Well, to me, he's just a really good shooter with a knack for getting off shots from the perimeter. In at-rim situations, I'm not buying it (for now, but probably for later as well). That's where I get lost in past Melo comparisons, because it's completely different there. Melo was a beast in the low block very early, and Jabari just doesn't have that. But also the passing--hence the face-up 4 thing. Defensively as well, it's a whatever for me for now. So just color me really, really skeptical. I know it's opinion, so I'm prepared for the onslaught (ducks).

For me? It's Embiid, easy. I know he's a foul prone hack and that's really limited his minutes, but that's attributed to age. But next to Cousins? It's the perfect fit. We just need a shotblocker to cover for Cousins' inability to protect the rim. Embiid has that and is already excellent defensively and from a rebounding standpoint, and offense he'll just act as garbage scorer and a release valve scorer at the rim, and is an underrated passer, which we definitely need more now that Rudy's on deck. So I'm on the Embiid train, and not getting out of it.
 
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bajaden

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You obviously haven't seen Parker play as much as I have. So far, I think I've seen almost every game he's played, and to say he's not effective in the post, just tells me you haven't seen him enough. He has a terrific mid-range game. He has a stepback fall away jumper. He can put the ball on the floor and attack the rim. He's an excellent ballhandler for a Small forward, a position he played in highschool, and in all the highschool all star games. In the Nike summit games he guarded Wiggins and did an excellent job on him. Offensively, there is no hole in his game. He can score inside, mid-range, and from beyond the arc. And if you think otherwise, then as I said, you just haven't seen him play enough. But I've never been so convinced about a player. He's also a good rebounder. Yes, he's quite capable of playing the stretch four position, but he's more than capable of playing the SF position as well.

Having said all that, our chance of landing Parker is slim and none. He's going to be the first or second pick in the draft. Our chance of landing Embiid isn't much better, but I'd be very happy with him, or Wiggins, or Randle, or Exum, and, or, if we end up somewhere between 8 and 12, then Willie Cauley-Stein. I also like Vonleh in that range. Exum by the way was the Australian national player of the year, and he led his team to the championships. I don't have his last game results in front of me, but he put up some ridiculous numbers, something on the order of 28 pts, 19 assists, 14 rebounds, and 5 steals. Don't quote me on those numbers, but they were that ridiculous.
 

funkykingston

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Some of my thoughts:

If I had the top pick I'd take Jabari Parker and figure out the rest later. If I had the second pick I'd have a tough time deciding between Wiggins and Embiid. Randle is a beast but an odd fit next to Cousins who the team has made the franchise cornerstone.

Of the PG prospects I've watched (and I've never seen Exum at all except on blurry YouTube highlights) I'm not very high on any of them.

I don't see a high BB IQ distributor and/or defender and most of the top guys are athletic perpetrators which isn't really what the Kings need. Semaj Christon & Andrew Harrison would probably be my favorites in the first round but I'm still lukewarm on them and wouldn't use a lottery pick on either.

James Harden is an interesting comparison for Marcus Smart but personally I see him as a slightly bigger, slightly slower Steve Francis. Undersized as a SG and not a guy I like running my team. Like Francis I could see him putting up big numbers for a losing team where he has the green light to score at all times.

If he fell to the 2nd round I'd snatch up Elfrid Payton as a low risk, high reward PG prospect. I think he has the body and tools to be good.

If the Kings end up picking 7th-10th or so my favorite player would be Willie Caulie-Stein. Sure, he's limited but what he does well is exactly what the Kings need. Noah Vonleh would likely be next on my list.

Hopefully McLemore starts improving because otherwise my next option would be to look at Wayne Seldon or Rodney Hood as future SGs.

I really like Doug McDermott. He will likely struggle to defend any position on the next level but you have to love what he does. Not a guy I'd draft for the Kings but somebody is going to get a cross between Kyle Korver and Matt Harpring.

If Gay continues to play well, Cousins keeps growing into a franchise big man and McLemore comes around and contributes then this team isn't far from being very good.

A shotblocker next to Cuz, a distributing/defending PG (to allow IT to return to being a dynamite 6th man) and some team growth and I could see fighting for a playoff spot next season with very good years to follow.
 

bajaden

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Some of my thoughts:

If I had the top pick I'd take Jabari Parker and figure out the rest later. If I had the second pick I'd have a tough time deciding between Wiggins and Embiid. Randle is a beast but an odd fit next to Cousins who the team has made the franchise cornerstone.

Of the PG prospects I've watched (and I've never seen Exum at all except on blurry YouTube highlights) I'm not very high on any of them.

I don't see a high BB IQ distributor and/or defender and most of the top guys are athletic perpetrators which isn't really what the Kings need. Semaj Christon & Andrew Harrison would probably be my favorites in the first round but I'm still lukewarm on them and wouldn't use a lottery pick on either.

James Harden is an interesting comparison for Marcus Smart but personally I see him as a slightly bigger, slightly slower Steve Francis. Undersized as a SG and not a guy I like running my team. Like Francis I could see him putting up big numbers for a losing team where he has the green light to score at all times.

If he fell to the 2nd round I'd snatch up Elfrid Payton as a low risk, high reward PG prospect. I think he has the body and tools to be good.

If the Kings end up picking 7th-10th or so my favorite player would be Willie Caulie-Stein. Sure, he's limited but what he does well is exactly what the Kings need. Noah Vonleh would likely be next on my list.

Hopefully McLemore starts improving because otherwise my next option would be to look at Wayne Seldon or Rodney Hood as future SGs.

I really like Doug McDermott. He will likely struggle to defend any position on the next level but you have to love what he does. Not a guy I'd draft for the Kings but somebody is going to get a cross between Kyle Korver and Matt Harpring.

If Gay continues to play well, Cousins keeps growing into a franchise big man and McLemore comes around and contributes then this team isn't far from being very good.

A shotblocker next to Cuz, a distributing/defending PG (to allow IT to return to being a dynamite 6th man) and some team growth and I could see fighting for a playoff spot next season with very good years to follow.
I like Christon a lot. He's a terrific ballhandler with a ton of shakes and bakes. Another PG I've come to like is Tyler Ennis from Syracuse. Yeah, I know, I'm not a big fan of Syracuse players, but Ennis looks like the real deal. Personally, I'm not that interested in drafting another PG unless were choosing 5th or 6th and Exum is there. I know you haven't seen him play, but I have and he's going to be a good one.

One of my favorite players to watch is McDermott. He can score from anywhere on the floor and in a variety of ways. He's shooting 44% from the three, which is normal for him, if not a bit low. He's extremely effective in the post despite only being maybe, 6'8", with no hops. As you said, defense is the worry, but if you watch him at Creighton, he's actually defends well, and when he went to the USA tryouts in Las Vegas, they say he more than held his own agaainst all the NBA players there. So who knows. Noah Voleh may be the sleeper in the lottery. Extremely athletic, and already a good defender that blocks shots. However, like you, I'd still take Willie Cauley-Stein over him. At least for now.
 
Embiid is my favorite prospect in the draft. Even above the SF's. The more I watch him, the more impressive he gets. I never expected he'd show nearly as much offensive skill as he has thus far. That move is a perfect example. How many C's have the footwork to do something like that? Maybe only Cousins? Davis if you consider him a C? You draft him and the boom potential of a Cousins -Embiid post potential is off the charts.
 

bajaden

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Embiid is my favorite prospect in the draft. Even above the SF's. The more I watch him, the more impressive he gets. I never expected he'd show nearly as much offensive skill as he has thus far. That move is a perfect example. How many C's have the footwork to do something like that? Maybe only Cousins? Davis if you consider him a C? You draft him and the boom potential of a Cousins -Embiid post potential is off the charts.
Well, I've moved Embiid up to number one on my list. Some based on what he's showing now, but mostly on his overall potential. By the way, here's an article that I haven't seen posted yet about Embiid. Its a good imformative read.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...oon-native-blossoming-into-a-top-nba-prospect
 

Glenn

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Well, I've moved Embiid up to number one on my list. Some based on what he's showing now, but mostly on his overall potential. By the way, here's an article that I haven't seen posted yet about Embiid. Its a good imformative read.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...oon-native-blossoming-into-a-top-nba-prospect
Thanks. It reminds us all of how far he has come and perhaps how far he will go. The one play in the video above shows what he is capable of and right off the bat, you know he can play defense of the type we want. He won't be available to us unless the ping pong balls bounce the way we want them to bounce. He fits a need and also may be the best. He would change our team like essentially no modern NBA player could do it.
 

hrdboild

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Yeah, I've got Embiid number 1 right now too. He just has so much potential on both ends. Parker and Randle have come back down to earth a bit after their torrid starts and Wiggins continues to look like he's a couple years away from truly dominating (though his potential is right up there with Embiid). All of these guys should be very very good though. I was initially concerned a bit about Parker's defense on the wing, but he's such a hard worker and clearly has the right attitude to continue getting better which counts for a lot I think. The late season should be very interesting this year. Teams like Kansas, Kentucky, and Duke really need to win big games to justify having multiple prospects in the top 10. I'm still waiting to see Chris Walker play for Florida too. He's one of my guys to watch. I wish there were some way I could watch Exum play. His season is over already isn't it?
 

bajaden

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Yeah, I've got Embiid number 1 right now too. He just has so much potential on both ends. Parker and Randle have come back down to earth a bit after their torrid starts and Wiggins continues to look like he's a couple years away from truly dominating (though his potential is right up there with Embiid). All of these guys should be very very good though. I was initially concerned a bit about Parker's defense on the wing, but he's such a hard worker and clearly has the right attitude to continue getting better which counts for a lot I think. The late season should be very interesting this year. Teams like Kansas, Kentucky, and Duke really need to win big games to justify having multiple prospects in the top 10. I'm still waiting to see Chris Walker play for Florida too. He's one of my guys to watch. I wish there were some way I could watch Exum play. His season is over already isn't it?
Yep, Exum's highschool team ended their season about a week ago. He could opt to try and play in what's left of the college season, but I doubt he will. At this point, about all he could do is damage his draft status, and I doubt he'd be able to improve it. Chris Walker was approved for practice two days ago, so we should be seeing him in games fairly soon. I suspect he'll have some rust to shake off. Walker as you probably know is a similar player to Vonleh. Very long and athletic, with shotblocking potential.
 
Micic looks like a late lotto pick, and has been rising. Plays in the Calderon/Vasquez mold. But I like his passing instincts and size for a PG...6'5". Already has NBA 3pt range, good catch and shoot. Questions will be his defense and quickness - scouting reports said he held his own against Marcus Smart in International play last summer.