Kings active in trade talks?

[sdballer]

I'd like to know how many 30 min games he had as if he was disinterested or non-contributory, he'd be pulled from the game. That's being pretty negative I suppose but if he was putting up those numbers regularly, why was he trade for what some people are happily calling a 2nd rounder?

Very simply, he lost playing time because he wasn't a great fit at the 3. He wasn't a great fit in an offense that shared the ball. He played inconsistent d. His effort had been questioned.

Now it's entirely possible that he'll turn all of that around here. Not sure why we'd think that but there's always hope.

 

[sdballer]

I'm not overlooking the role. I just think it's too early to hold on to a role player when what we need is talent.

But talent doesn't thrive in bad culture's on selfish, no defense teams. It's why we lost more than a "2nd rounder" as it keeps getting thrown around. We also lost the impact a player like Luc has on inferior talent.

I wonder if the same people would refer to their precious IT as just a second rounder if he was traded.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I'm not overlooking the role. I just think it's too early to hold on to a role player when what we need is talent.

Are you implying that you don't consider a player as "talented", who can effectively defend and disrupt the rhythm of the other teams best player, whether it's a point guard, shooting guard, or forward?

 

[Livinthedream]

I'd love for you to point out a single post saying that.

I'm not really sure you even understand the argument. Your post doesn't suggest you do.

That has been the tone. The tone has been, now that we've traded our best defender, we've set the franchise back. We're already losing. Cousins is the lone bright spot. Despite all of his issues, his talent wins out. We need a few more talent guys before adding a "playoff " piece matters in the win/loss column.

I understand the argument quite well. I just don't agree. I don't have a comprehension problem, so let's take a step back and not take the conversation in that direction.

 

[Glenn]

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That has been the tone. The tone has been, now that we've traded our best defender, we've set the franchise back. We're already losing. Cousins is the lone bright spot. Despite all of his issues, his talent wins out. We need a few more talent guys before adding a "playoff " piece matters in the win/loss column.

I understand the argument quite well. I just don't agree. I don't have a comprehension problem, so let's take a step back and not take the conversation in that direction.

I read an article earlier today complaining that Cousins has not added wins to the team. Should we get rid of him?

More than likely we just set the team back. The question in my mind will continue to be if that was deliberate or not.

 

[TheBadGuy]

are there other players involved in the trade?

 

[sdballer]

are there other players involved in the trade?

Not at this point

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

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More than likely we just set the team back. The question in my mind will continue to be if that was deliberate or not.

It does make you wonder. We started looking like we could at least win a few games, when Moute got healthy and into the starting lineup. Maybe that potential was too "risky" for the long term?

 

[VF21]

are there other players involved in the trade?

Don't think so. One Minnesota story (forget where I found it - doesn't look like the Wolves have a major fan board) said initial rumors of other players, cash or pick considerations were unfounded.

 

[jpsls]

Are you implying that you don't consider a player as "talented", who can effectively defend and disrupt the rhythm of the other teams best player, whether it's a point guard, shooting guard, or forward?

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I read an article earlier today complaining that Cousins has not added wins to the team. Should we get rid of him?

More than likely we just set the team back. The question in my mind will continue to be if that was deliberate or not.

Because the team was going somewhere as is right? How do you expect to make the team better? Do you think teams wants our garbage players (thornton, salmons)? If they trade doesn't work out, we lose what...a couple of wins while fighting for worst in the west?

 

[sdballer]

It does make you wonder. We started looking like we could at least win a few games, when Moute got healthy and into the starting lineup. Maybe that potential was too "risky" for the long term?

The bigger issue for me is that after many of us complained about the talent loss from this offseason and our not addressing needs, we were told that this season was about changing the culture of the team. Now its not about changing the culture of the team, its about adding talent. Which is it?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

The bigger issue for me is that after many of us complained about the talent loss from this offseason and our not addressing needs, we were told that this season was about changing the culture of the team. Now its not about changing the culture of the team, its about adding talent. Which is it?

I have to agree. We heard "defense" and "culture" and then "attitude". Moute is a leader for all of those aspects

 

[sdballer]

Because the team was going somewhere as is right? How do you expect to make the team better? Do you think teams wants our garbage players (thornton, salmons)? If they trade doesn't work out, we lose what...a couple of wins while fighting for worst in the west?

As I said in my other post, that was supposedly the whole reason we let Reke walk. Because the cost of his talent wasn't a fit with the desire to change the culture of a losing team. That was supposedly why we brought in Landry, GV and LUC. Now we're trading one of those guys away for someone with potential because we aren't ready to be winners yet and talent is more important.

 

[VF21]

It does make you wonder. We started looking like we could at least win a few games, when Moute got healthy and into the starting lineup. Maybe that potential was too "risky" for the long term?

Or maybe he became attractive to at least one GM because he got healthy and into the starting lineup...

I honestly don't understand all the angst. Everyone here, except for the rankest newbie, has known this is a team that will have to make a lot of changes to get back to being competitive. We've all pretty much agreed we have maybe two or three players at the most who could still be in Kings purple in a couple of years. I liked Luc but he wasn't one of those two or three.

PDA is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I'm gonna wait and see how we look going forward.

 

[Livinthedream]

I read an article earlier today complaining that Cousins has not added wins to the team. Should we get rid of him?

More than likely we just set the team back. The question in my mind will continue to be if that was deliberate or not.

I obviously don't think Cousins should be traded. I also don't think that we have untouchable pieces on this roster. I guess that's why this trade doesn't upset me as much as others. I didn't see this team going anywhere as it stood and there is no easy way for us to get pieces. I can understand if people say that Williams doesn't fit. I can even understand people not liking the loss of defensive players. I wanted Toney Douglas and Tyreke to stay. However, the roster is so messed up that we may have to take a step back in order to go forward.

 

[TheBadGuy]

I just really hope Williams lives up to his potential and I hope he can add defense to his play.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

The Kings and the Timberwolves are both over the cap: us by a little, them by a lot. Unless there is a third team involved, it is unlikely that another player is, either.

 

[VF21]

I have to agree. We heard "defense" and "culture" and then "attitude". Moute is a leader for all of those aspects

Which is why he was valuable as a trade piece, too. I think people are painting Williams with way too negative a brush at this point. At least give the kid - and he is just a kid - a chance before condemning him.

 

[sdballer]

PDA is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I'm gonna wait and see how we look going forward.

It's not that he's damned if he does or doesn't so much as he needs to make up his mind what he's trying to do. We had so much directionless leadership under the Maloofs that I think people are just skeptical of going down that road again. Probably makes us less patient than we should be.

 

[Glenn]

Because the team was going somewhere as is right? How do you expect to make the team better? Do you think teams wants our garbage players (thornton, salmons)? If they trade doesn't work out, we lose what...a couple of wins while fighting for worst in the west?

So are you saying we should get rid of Cousins? You lost me.

 

[VF21]

As I said in my other post, that was supposedly the whole reason we let Reke walk. Because the cost of his talent wasn't a fit with the desire to change the culture of a losing team. That was supposedly why we brought in Landry, GV and LUC. Now we're trading one of those guys away for someone with potential because we aren't ready to be winners yet and talent is more important.

No. We let Reke walk because he wanted more money than we were willing to pay. And it was pretty clear the Kings could be Evans' team or they could be Cousins' team but they couldn't be both.

You keep acting as though it has to be about talent OR culture OR winning. That's not true. It's a balancing act.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Or maybe he became attractive to at least one GM because he got healthy and into the starting lineup...

I honestly don't understand all the angst. Everyone here, except for the rankest newbie, has known this is a team that will have to make a lot of changes to get back to being competitive. We've all pretty much agreed we have maybe two or three players at the most who could still be in Kings purple in a couple of years. I liked Luc but he wasn't one of those two or three.

PDA is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I'm gonna wait and see how we look going forward.

My apprehension to this move is that we were actually starting to see how valuable of a defender Moute is. Most of us had only heard a little about him, but seen little, with him playing in Milwaukee.

I consider a defensive lockdown player, with his versatility to guard multiple positions, as a lot more valuable than a typical "role player". Especially when he also plays intelligent offense and doesn't disrupt your team flow on that end

 

[sdballer]

No. We let Reke walk because he wanted more money than we were willing to pay. And it was pretty clear the Kings could be Evans' team or they could be Cousins' team but they couldn't be both.

You keep acting as though it has to be about talent OR culture OR winning. That's not true. It's a balancing act.

It is a balancing act but it's hard to find balance when you lose the one guy that brings the total desired cultural package on a nightly basis. If we had a few guys like him, I'd be less worried. We don't and William's career to date looks a lot more like what we are trying to eliminate than add.

So where does that balance come from on the court?

 

[Glenn]

No. We let Reke walk because he wanted more money than we were willing to pay. And it was pretty clear the Kings could be Evans' team or they could be Cousins' team but they couldn't be both.

You keep acting as though it has to be about talent OR culture OR winning. That's not true. It's a balancing act.

We could have sat down with Tyreke before he signed the offer sheet as he let many days go before signing. We didn't make a move.

 

[jpsls]

So are you saying we should get rid of Cousins? You lost me.

Why would we trade Cousins? You build around a talent like him.

 

[randymoss1881]

Dear god please no Evans talk in here it's getting real old

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

If Malone is able to make Jimmer look somewhat decent on defense, he sure as hell can do the same with Derrick Williams.

 

[Glenn]

Dear god please no Evans talk in here it's getting real old

There is a pattern being set by the FO.

 

[jpsls]

There is a pattern being set by the FO.

Really? What pattern is that?

 

[TheBadGuy]

If Malone is able to make Jimmer look somewhat decent on defense, he sure as hell can do the same with Derrick Williams.

Williams has more defensive potential than Jimmer.