[NBA] Comments that don't warrant their own thread (OCT/NOV)
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Considering Evans has hardly played together with Jrue/EG I'm not quite sure that that is the issue. I've been watching their games. Majority of the time Evans is out there with Rivers/Roberts, and a mix of Davis/Stiemsma/Onuaku/Smith as his bigs. He's been setting up Morrow a couple of times but I Andersen's absence probably hurts Evans individually more than anyone else. Holiday, Gordon and Davis are the only ones on the team who have been playing well thus far. I'm an Evans fan, but I know when to be objective and frankly speaking his play isn't cutting it at the moment. As an Evans fan I hope that Monty Williams isn't Keith Smart 2.0, because I feel that Evans is a guy who really needs a good coach to bring out the best in him. He's not a naturally high basketball IQ guy, but he has the tools. He just needs a good coach to help him put the tools to good use.
If you could fuse Jimmer and Evans into one player you'd have a pretty good player
If you could fuse Jimmer and Evans into one player you'd have a pretty good player
Considering Evans has hardly played together with Jrue/EG I'm not quite sure that that is the issue. I've been watching their games. Majority of the time Evans is out there with Rivers/Roberts, and a mix of Davis/Stiemsma/Onuaku/Smith as his bigs. He's been setting up Morrow a couple of times but I Andersen's absence probably hurts Evans individually more than anyone else. Holiday, Gordon and Davis are the only ones on the team who have been playing well thus far. I'm an Evans fan, but I know when to be objective and frankly speaking his play isn't cutting it at the moment. As an Evans fan I hope that Monty Williams isn't Keith Smart 2.0, because I feel that Evans is a guy who really needs a good coach to bring out the best in him. He's not a naturally high basketball IQ guy, but he has the tools. He just needs a good coach to help him put the tools to good use.
If you could fuse Jimmer and Evans into one player you'd have a pretty good player
If you could fuse Jimmer and Evans into one player you'd have a pretty good player
And this was Orlando that pasted them. Pelicans have loads of talent but doesn't look like it fits. Orlando has some talent but they looked better. By the way, the Oladipo kid looks really good.
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Yeah, probably one of those nights but they have players that don't need the ball in their hands to be effective. A nice low post guy in Vucevic, some stretch 4s and Harkless looks to be a decent SF prospect. Their guards though move well without the ball and spot up and hit the J or can drive. When Afflalo doesn't act like he's a number 1 option, he's good. OQuinn....watched him in the first game....is interesting. I still think they will lose 50-55 games though.
I think the Pelicans will move Gordon for a SF so Reke can move to SG......I think they have to do something like that.
I think the Pelicans will move Gordon for a SF so Reke can move to SG......I think they have to do something like that.
the Magic core looks pretty damn incredible, imo. love Harkless as a prospect, love Vuc's development, Oladipo looks so damn competent, it seems like he could be a rotation player on a playoff team today and I've got a lot of love for Harris and Nicholson as well. even Moore can be a solid player and all that completely disregards their solid vets in Afflalo, Davis and Nelson. if they to land a stud in this year's draft, manage to consolidate some of their young talent into a vet star and maybe sign another impact guy via FA, then they might be done rebuilding this year, making it the fastest rebuild turn around I've ever seen. in the meantime, they're just a really fun team to watch, especially when they're at home.
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You kind of anti-jinxed that Sac. As soon as you mentioned it he finally settled in and started going on a tear. Up to 6-14 shooting 15pts 7reb 5ast in 25min by the close of business.
You have to remember he missed the entire preseason with that rolled ankle. Is going to take a few games until he's fully up to speed.
You have to remember he missed the entire preseason with that rolled ankle. Is going to take a few games until he's fully up to speed.
MCW is playing really well... a PG that tall and that quick and that has a great passing ability is bound to do well in this league, shooting inability be damned. Rondo still can't shoot and he is considered a top 5 PG in the league. I think this kid is for real and I sort of wish we drafted him, although I love Ben. As stated above, some people disagreed with my opinion heavily right before the draft. I hope he continues to do well!
There's always room for a PG like him. So he can't shoot. Neither could Rose, Westbrook, or Rondo (even Tony Parker). Give him time. Everyone was patient enough for Tyreke so why not him? I am happy for him and glad he is lighting it up. I just always look at his name and feel a twinge of guilt. Ben's game is completely different and he, as Brick has stated repeatedly, is not really suited for a #2 role. MCW has the skill set to be a #2; he can drive, he can run a team, athletic, and huge size advantage every single night.
That's cause for disaster. I think that's the problem with Evans and the GMs/coaches know it. They are intelligent NOT to put him at PG.
a) You play Evans at PG and his stats are great but the rest of the team suffers and the losses pile up until you can find players that can play with a PG like Evans.
b) You play Evans off the ball and then he turns into a roleplayer and are wasting his natural talent.
Kinda damned if you do damned is you don't.
a) You play Evans at PG and his stats are great but the rest of the team suffers and the losses pile up until you can find players that can play with a PG like Evans.
b) You play Evans off the ball and then he turns into a roleplayer and are wasting his natural talent.
Kinda damned if you do damned is you don't.
Sounds like a situation where you set up the team with just two players who play "gaurd". No designated point gaurd or shooting gaurd. Just two starting gaurds who share bringing the ball up the court. Old school..there never used to be "point gaurds". You were either a gaurd, forward, or center.
He probably would have paired well with a player like Bobby Jackson
He probably would have paired well with a player like Bobby Jackson
indeed. shooting is the most over-rated quality one can look for in a draft prospect. it can be taught. it can be learned. it can be practiced. size and athleticism cannot, and those two qualities rule the day in the contemporary nba. guys like rose, westbrook, rondo, parker, and even tyreke evans only need to become mediocre shooters to justify their talent at the nba-level. michael carter-williams is cut from a similar mold. he's got the physical tools and broad skillset to make it happen...
a guy like mclemore is halfway there. he's got height. he's got big time athleticism. unfortunately, mac lacks a common feature found among the rest of the names above: an elite dribble drive, or a competent dribble drive that will grow into an elite skill through time and development. again, shooting is the most over-rated quality one can look for in a draft prospect, if one is looking for stardom, that is. if one is simply looking for a role player who can shoot, there's a half-dozen draft prospects every year who are picked in the middle of the pack or later...
and while i'm certainly rooting for mclemore to succeed as a king, i feel that the new regime reached for a shooter at #7 in 2013 with their selection of ben mclemore, just as i felt that the old regime over-reached for a shooter at #10 in 2011 with their selection of jimmer fredette. i just don't value shooters all that highly. they're absolutely necessary, but they can be had without too much effort. it doesn't cost too much a guy like kyle korver or j.j. redick. it costs a whole helluvalot to keep a guy like michael carter-williams, if this early potential we're seeing bears itself out to a logical conclusion across the next few seasons...
edit: oh, and as for 'reke, i anticipate he'll be just fine. i agree with some of the above comments that the pelicans may suffer from similar backcourt problems that the kings' have recently shared, but the major difference is that NO's crowded backcourt rotation is absolutely stacked with talent, whereas the kings' crowded backcourt rotation was mediocre, at best, outside of tyreke...
it's taking evans a minute to shake off the rust, and it's going to take a bit longer for him to develop any chemistry at all with his new teammates, and in his new role off the bench, but he had a solid effort last night. that guy does what he does, ya know? he's going to get to the rim, he's going to snatch up boards, and he's going to deliver assists off penetration. holiday, gordan, and evans will find their respective grooves, and, if NO is smart, they'll trade one of them (gordon, i would assume?) when the price is high in order to bring back a better-fitting talent...
a guy like mclemore is halfway there. he's got height. he's got big time athleticism. unfortunately, mac lacks a common feature found among the rest of the names above: an elite dribble drive, or a competent dribble drive that will grow into an elite skill through time and development. again, shooting is the most over-rated quality one can look for in a draft prospect, if one is looking for stardom, that is. if one is simply looking for a role player who can shoot, there's a half-dozen draft prospects every year who are picked in the middle of the pack or later...
and while i'm certainly rooting for mclemore to succeed as a king, i feel that the new regime reached for a shooter at #7 in 2013 with their selection of ben mclemore, just as i felt that the old regime over-reached for a shooter at #10 in 2011 with their selection of jimmer fredette. i just don't value shooters all that highly. they're absolutely necessary, but they can be had without too much effort. it doesn't cost too much a guy like kyle korver or j.j. redick. it costs a whole helluvalot to keep a guy like michael carter-williams, if this early potential we're seeing bears itself out to a logical conclusion across the next few seasons...
edit: oh, and as for 'reke, i anticipate he'll be just fine. i agree with some of the above comments that the pelicans may suffer from similar backcourt problems that the kings' have recently shared, but the major difference is that NO's crowded backcourt rotation is absolutely stacked with talent, whereas the kings' crowded backcourt rotation was mediocre, at best, outside of tyreke...
it's taking evans a minute to shake off the rust, and it's going to take a bit longer for him to develop any chemistry at all with his new teammates, and in his new role off the bench, but he had a solid effort last night. that guy does what he does, ya know? he's going to get to the rim, he's going to snatch up boards, and he's going to deliver assists off penetration. holiday, gordan, and evans will find their respective grooves, and, if NO is smart, they'll trade one of them (gordon, i would assume?) when the price is high in order to bring back a better-fitting talent...
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