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Another thing I don't understand, so maybe someone can provide some thoughts.
Jimmer is still staying he considers himself a PG? The Kings think of him as a SG. These are my thoughts. I play basketball 3-4 times a week and if I was to bring the ball up the court only to be constantly pressured without the ability to escape from traps and such, I would probably realize fairly quickly that I'm not a PG, so I shouldn't be handling the ball like one.
We know Jimmer has a high BBIQ. If he didn't have the handles to go against a pressuring IT, Salmons, RM, MT, Tyreke & Douglas (last year) in practice, wouldn't he think that maybe PG is pretty much not in the cards? Would he really be that delusional? Maybe he wasn't used as a PG in practice? Or perhaps he thinks it's PG or bust in order for him to stay in this league? I'm not sure what the answers are, but if he says he thinks he's a PG in this league, you wouldn't think his handles are as bad as some think. Not saying his handles were great, but Personally, I think much of it was a confidence issue while not having a consistent role.
That's why I think he can and will contribute this year. His role will be established (hopefully more than just a Gatorade fetching and team cheerleader).
Jimmer is still staying he considers himself a PG? The Kings think of him as a SG. These are my thoughts. I play basketball 3-4 times a week and if I was to bring the ball up the court only to be constantly pressured without the ability to escape from traps and such, I would probably realize fairly quickly that I'm not a PG, so I shouldn't be handling the ball like one.
We know Jimmer has a high BBIQ. If he didn't have the handles to go against a pressuring IT, Salmons, RM, MT, Tyreke & Douglas (last year) in practice, wouldn't he think that maybe PG is pretty much not in the cards? Would he really be that delusional? Maybe he wasn't used as a PG in practice? Or perhaps he thinks it's PG or bust in order for him to stay in this league? I'm not sure what the answers are, but if he says he thinks he's a PG in this league, you wouldn't think his handles are as bad as some think. Not saying his handles were great, but Personally, I think much of it was a confidence issue while not having a consistent role.
That's why I think he can and will contribute this year. His role will be established (hopefully more than just a Gatorade fetching and team cheerleader).
I didn't say it entered your head or that it was your intention, I said that it makes about as much sense. Both terms are inaccurate because of what they imply. I really couldn't care less whether you're a BYU fan, it makes no difference to me when deciding how strong or weak your argument may be. Though I find it even more odd that you'd specifically follow Jimmer if you weren't even a BYU fan, but each to their own.
1) you'll find I have equal disdain for all religions. no need to feel selected out. also no need for faux outrage to cover a retreat.
2) that colorful phrase replaced an earlier formation of if "Jimmer died in a car accident tomorrow" which, while a common enough phrase, seemed too harsh and given a few events in Kings history too likely to be distracting. My actual inspiration for the new phrase was Shawn Bradley, who I believe did troop off missioning before his NBA career. Hence a convenient and colorful way for Jimmer to leave the team for a few years without dying a horrible death.
2) that colorful phrase replaced an earlier formation of if "Jimmer died in a car accident tomorrow" which, while a common enough phrase, seemed too harsh and given a few events in Kings history too likely to be distracting. My actual inspiration for the new phrase was Shawn Bradley, who I believe did troop off missioning before his NBA career. Hence a convenient and colorful way for Jimmer to leave the team for a few years without dying a horrible death.
I don't know that it was a recent influx so much as a mass delurking in the wake of some decent preseason play. Similar things have been happening with Xavier Henry and Wesley Johnson who have suddenly decided to look like something other than complete busts in Lakers jerseys on some Lakers boards.
I don't disagree that other guards in the league would fit better on the roster. I would venture to guess that the reason people obsess about Jimmer's game (myself included) is that it is an inversion of the typical NBA game. 99% of guards in the league are inside out players. The rim attack is what opens them up for jumpers. Jimmer's game is the opposite. Jimmer is dangerous from outside. His defenders have to overcommit which does nice things for interior teammates. Adding in that a three pointer is the second most exciting play in basketball behind a poster dunk, and he is an interesting player.
In the right system, I think Jimmer could be a 15 ppg guy as long as he was working with a strong ball-handling 2-guard like Harden or *sigh* Tyreke. That said, his game is a terrible fit for the Kings. I'm still hoping for a trade before the season begins.
I don't disagree that other guards in the league would fit better on the roster. I would venture to guess that the reason people obsess about Jimmer's game (myself included) is that it is an inversion of the typical NBA game. 99% of guards in the league are inside out players. The rim attack is what opens them up for jumpers. Jimmer's game is the opposite. Jimmer is dangerous from outside. His defenders have to overcommit which does nice things for interior teammates. Adding in that a three pointer is the second most exciting play in basketball behind a poster dunk, and he is an interesting player.
In the right system, I think Jimmer could be a 15 ppg guy as long as he was working with a strong ball-handling 2-guard like Harden or *sigh* Tyreke. That said, his game is a terrible fit for the Kings. I'm still hoping for a trade before the season begins.
Right, it was just a throwaway line. I'm sure it had nothing to do with knowing a good percentage of Jimmer's fans are Mormon and reducing what I'm sure is a deeply spiritual experience to nothing but cariciaturized folly to assert your intellectual arrogance and evoke a reaction out of said Jimmer fans.
We have a word for that in internet parlance
Look, I don't know how religious or spiritual you are, but taking a such a big part of someone's life and caricaturizing it is classless. People value their religious beliefs deeply, and I'm sure if someone took something you value greatly and reduced it in that way, you wouldn't take kindly to it either. For example, if someone made a "lighthearted quip" about our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq, or if someone made fun of people with cancer, or some other tasteless garbage, it wouldn't be taken well.
Maybe I'm just old school, but I value etiquette, and part of that is respecting people's beliefs.
We have a word for that in internet parlance
Look, I don't know how religious or spiritual you are, but taking a such a big part of someone's life and caricaturizing it is classless. People value their religious beliefs deeply, and I'm sure if someone took something you value greatly and reduced it in that way, you wouldn't take kindly to it either. For example, if someone made a "lighthearted quip" about our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq, or if someone made fun of people with cancer, or some other tasteless garbage, it wouldn't be taken well.
Maybe I'm just old school, but I value etiquette, and part of that is respecting people's beliefs.
Right, it was just a throwaway line. I'm sure it had nothing to do with knowing a good percentage of Jimmer's fans are Mormon and reducing what I'm sure is a deeply spiritual experience to nothing but cariciaturized folly to assert your intellectual arrogance and evoke a reaction out of said Jimmer fans.
We have a word for that in internet parlance
Look, I don't know how religious or spiritual you are, but taking a such a big part of someone's life and caricaturizing it is classless. People value their religious beliefs deeply, and I'm sure if someone took something you value greatly and reduced it in that way, you wouldn't take kindly to it either. For example, if someone made a "lighthearted quip" about our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq, or if someone made fun of people with cancer, or some other tasteless garbage, it wouldn't be taken well.
Maybe I'm just old school, but I value etiquette, and part of that is respecting people's beliefs.
We have a word for that in internet parlance
Look, I don't know how religious or spiritual you are, but taking a such a big part of someone's life and caricaturizing it is classless. People value their religious beliefs deeply, and I'm sure if someone took something you value greatly and reduced it in that way, you wouldn't take kindly to it either. For example, if someone made a "lighthearted quip" about our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq, or if someone made fun of people with cancer, or some other tasteless garbage, it wouldn't be taken well.
Maybe I'm just old school, but I value etiquette, and part of that is respecting people's beliefs.
I absolutely reject that peoples beliefs deserve respect regardless of what they are. I'm sure you wouldn't respect the beliefs of someone who believed segregation is necessary or some other nonsense. I accept that such discussion is not tolerated on this forum but it's completely ludicrous for you to suggest that someones precious beliefs of a magic man in the sky is akin to making fun of people with cancer. Like it or not, the latter is a verifiable fact - cancer exists and destroys lives. Meanwhile there is an overwhelming lack of evidence for any deity of any sort. I'm not getting into this but it's ridiculous that you'd suggest all beliefs should hold equal weight. They don't and they shouldn't.
There is a difference between etiquette and banning ridicule simply because people have no answer to legitimate criticism.
Its no more ridiculous than suggesting that the entire universe magically appeared out of nowhere from nothingness by itself. There is a better chance of Ferraris being formed from crashing meteorites.
People hold deep-seeded beliefs. There is a time and place to challenge them. Mocking them in a basketball forum thread about the 11th man on an NBA roster is not one of those times. Inciting this kind of debate is exactly what the rules on religion and politics are meant to prevent.
People hold deep-seeded beliefs. There is a time and place to challenge them. Mocking them in a basketball forum thread about the 11th man on an NBA roster is not one of those times. Inciting this kind of debate is exactly what the rules on religion and politics are meant to prevent.
It really is. Proposing a God leaves you with exactly the same problem. There's nothing wrong with saying we don't know yet. We're getting closer, and people are now reduced to a God of the Gaps. But I digress. Best to leave this discussion.
Though I don't think this would have even got this far if people weren't being so PC.
Though I don't think this would have even got this far if people weren't being so PC.
I'll say this, the reason I started watching the Kings was because of Jimmer as I've always been a huge fan, and frankly I like rooting for underdogs, especially someone as nice as Jimmer. But even though Jimmer is what I came to see, I also found it fun to root for Kings as well (even though I'm a born Lakers fan. Please don't hate). As I said, I like rooting for the underdogs, so I guess the Kings fit this category well.
The problem I saw was this. When Jimmer was drafted, it came with a huge fan base and unrealistic expectations. Some of the players took the "jimmer mania" personal (rightfully so) so they tested him in practice (totally understandable). So what does Jimmer do? He tried to be a good teammate and defer the shot and basically played very passively. So passively that he lost some of his confidence and virtually went away from what got him to the NBA in the first place - his shooting. At the same time, I'm sure the speed of the NBA was a little shocking to him as well. Some of this is on Jimmer, as his personality is just so mild manner that while MT and IT were demanding minutes by being vocal leaders with a little edge to them along with their gameplay, Jimmer just seemed very passive in comparison as he tried to fit in. He definitely looked like a deer in headlights his first year.
Last year Jimmer's overall game improved (you're probably thinking his game had nowhere to go but up. Heh, that's true, but stay with me here). Even though his fan base may be crazy (yes, I'm a little crazy) his teammates also really started to like him. I mean, it is hard not to like the guy. I think with that, his confidence also grew.
I do think that Smart yanked him around a lot and and at the same time there was really no such thing as player development - which Jimmer probably needed more then anybody. So I write this off as both a terrible coach and horrible management.
So now we are on to this year. I fully expect Jimmer to make a bigger impact and help the Kings improve this year. So far, it looks like his game (and confidence) has ratcheted it up another notch this year. Maybe not starter material, but a 12-15 min crowd spark off the bench doesn't seem like a huge stretch.
But, one thing I can't get my head around is this. How is Malone going to find minutes for Mclemore, Thorton, and Jimmer? I mean, say Mclemore starts. Is Jimmer really going to come in before Thorton? If so, there goes 8 mil and trade value, not to mention that Thornton may just go postal.
If Thorton starts, then Mclemore definitely comes in and Jimmer is left biting his nails on the bench. I mean he's good at that, but after playing well, you would think he would deserve some minutes.
Anyway, I don't envy Malone's position and I'm sure at some point a guard or two will be traded for hopefully a much needed big. If not, just to clear some space for current player development.
Brick, Entity, Pedrino and others who don't care for Jimmer (I'm sure you like him personally). Just please give him a chance to prove himself this year before totally writing him off. Perhaps he won't totally change your mind, but maybe he might have more to offer then you thought once his role has finally been established. I'm not expecting greatness, just some steady play.
Yes, I want to see Jimmer play. Not because I want to see him pump up his stats and be the college superstar that he was. But I sincerely think he can fill a needed role and help contribute to this team's progress. Hey, maybe I'm just wishful thinking. It sure wouldn't be the first time.
The problem I saw was this. When Jimmer was drafted, it came with a huge fan base and unrealistic expectations. Some of the players took the "jimmer mania" personal (rightfully so) so they tested him in practice (totally understandable). So what does Jimmer do? He tried to be a good teammate and defer the shot and basically played very passively. So passively that he lost some of his confidence and virtually went away from what got him to the NBA in the first place - his shooting. At the same time, I'm sure the speed of the NBA was a little shocking to him as well. Some of this is on Jimmer, as his personality is just so mild manner that while MT and IT were demanding minutes by being vocal leaders with a little edge to them along with their gameplay, Jimmer just seemed very passive in comparison as he tried to fit in. He definitely looked like a deer in headlights his first year.
Last year Jimmer's overall game improved (you're probably thinking his game had nowhere to go but up. Heh, that's true, but stay with me here). Even though his fan base may be crazy (yes, I'm a little crazy) his teammates also really started to like him. I mean, it is hard not to like the guy. I think with that, his confidence also grew.
I do think that Smart yanked him around a lot and and at the same time there was really no such thing as player development - which Jimmer probably needed more then anybody. So I write this off as both a terrible coach and horrible management.
So now we are on to this year. I fully expect Jimmer to make a bigger impact and help the Kings improve this year. So far, it looks like his game (and confidence) has ratcheted it up another notch this year. Maybe not starter material, but a 12-15 min crowd spark off the bench doesn't seem like a huge stretch.
But, one thing I can't get my head around is this. How is Malone going to find minutes for Mclemore, Thorton, and Jimmer? I mean, say Mclemore starts. Is Jimmer really going to come in before Thorton? If so, there goes 8 mil and trade value, not to mention that Thornton may just go postal.
If Thorton starts, then Mclemore definitely comes in and Jimmer is left biting his nails on the bench. I mean he's good at that, but after playing well, you would think he would deserve some minutes.
Anyway, I don't envy Malone's position and I'm sure at some point a guard or two will be traded for hopefully a much needed big. If not, just to clear some space for current player development.
Brick, Entity, Pedrino and others who don't care for Jimmer (I'm sure you like him personally). Just please give him a chance to prove himself this year before totally writing him off. Perhaps he won't totally change your mind, but maybe he might have more to offer then you thought once his role has finally been established. I'm not expecting greatness, just some steady play.
Yes, I want to see Jimmer play. Not because I want to see him pump up his stats and be the college superstar that he was. But I sincerely think he can fill a needed role and help contribute to this team's progress. Hey, maybe I'm just wishful thinking. It sure wouldn't be the first time.
Right, it was just a throwaway line. I'm sure it had nothing to do with knowing a good percentage of Jimmer's fans are Mormon and reducing what I'm sure is a deeply spiritual experience to nothing but cariciaturized folly to assert your intellectual arrogance and evoke a reaction out of said Jimmer fans.
We have a word for that in internet parlance
Look, I don't know how religious or spiritual you are, but taking a such a big part of someone's life and caricaturizing it is classless. People value their religious beliefs deeply, and I'm sure if someone took something you value greatly and reduced it in that way, you wouldn't take kindly to it either. For example, if someone made a "lighthearted quip" about our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq, or if someone made fun of people with cancer, or some other tasteless garbage, it wouldn't be taken well.
Maybe I'm just old school, but I value etiquette, and part of that is respecting people's beliefs.
We have a word for that in internet parlance
Look, I don't know how religious or spiritual you are, but taking a such a big part of someone's life and caricaturizing it is classless. People value their religious beliefs deeply, and I'm sure if someone took something you value greatly and reduced it in that way, you wouldn't take kindly to it either. For example, if someone made a "lighthearted quip" about our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq, or if someone made fun of people with cancer, or some other tasteless garbage, it wouldn't be taken well.
Maybe I'm just old school, but I value etiquette, and part of that is respecting people's beliefs.
One possibility is that you are rather confused about where basketball fans rank on the whole cultural wars front. If the point were to insult or antagonize religious types I could find far FAR better forums to do so than this little berg in the internet ocean. Unnecessary disruption aside, it wouldn't even be worth my time to try to think up clever ways to do it here.
The other possibility is one I have already mentioned: playing the offense card is always a fun way to try to distract, or get the other person to retreat.
Either way, its a helluva lot of import to throw onto one little introductory sentence, and frankly I don't think its right that you are arguing I should have killed poor Jimmer in a fiery car crash instead. Have a heart man.
P.S. I think this might be the place to mention an amusing aside: earlier in this thread as the poor picked on/unfairly treated Jimmer posts were mounting I was actually pondering a quick photoshop of Jimmer on the cross as the unfairly persecuted martyr, but rejected the idea precisely because I figured too many couldn't deal with the humor.
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