Would you trade Ben? (split)

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KingMilz

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Just a hypnotically question

If we could get Aaron Affalo via trade (Magic looking to trade him) or Gerald Henderson without giving up Cousins would anyone here be willing to try trade Ben Mac (have not given up on him just asking a question) for say someone like a Gordon Hayward?
 
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Npliam

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andremiller07 said:
Just a hypnotically question

If we could get Aaron Affalo via trade (Magic looking to trade him) or Gerald Henderson without giving up Cousins would anyone here be willing to try trade Ben Mac (have not given up on him just asking a question) for say someone like a Gordon Hayward?
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Keep your hands off of Gordon Hayward!
 
Bricklayer

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andremiller07 said:
Just a hypnotically question

If we could get Aaron Affalo via trade (Magic looking to trade him) or Gerald Henderson without giving up Cousins would anyone here be willing to try trade Ben Mac (have not given up on him just asking a question) for say someone like a Gordon Hayward?
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Yes.
 
Agent23

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No. I'd like to at least see if he can add to his catch and shoot game. We can let him finish his rookie contract up and then not match his RFA offer and trade him for a lesser talent that fits the team better.
 
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KingMilz

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mac said:
My quick answer is yes, but I don't really follow. Are we getting Henderson or Afflalo or Hayward?
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Assuming we can package something like Thompson/It or Thornton for ethier Henderson or Afflalo (both are on the trading block)my question is would you consider than trading Ben Mac for Hayward
 
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ESP47

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There's no way I'd trade him for Hayward. I think Hayward is a good player but he's not worth the 7th pick and the guy who most analysts considered the best prospect coming out of the draft. If he turns out to be a bust, then so be it, but you have to take a chance here. Gordon Hayward is not going to take us to the playoffs in the future. Mclemore possibly could.

I'd like to have Afflalo though. Henderson is a decent player but he can't shoot and it's not like we'd have him surrounded with good shooters either.
 
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KingMilz

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ESP47 said:
There's no way I'd trade him for Hayward. I think Hayward is a good player but he's not worth the 7th pick and the guy who most analysts considered the best prospect coming out of the draft. If he turns out to be a bust, then so be it, but you have to take a chance here. Gordon Hayward is not going to take us to the playoffs in the future. Mclemore possibly could.

I'd like to have Afflalo though. Henderson is a decent player but he can't shoot and it's not like we'd have him surrounded with good shooters either.
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Fair call, I still think we can get Affalo but I wonder could he play as a undersized SF (I doubt it, but I still think it could work), but imo with how a lot of teams are playing small ball it wouldn't be the worst thing to do I mean he's a similar size as Salmons and he brings lots to the table and he's super tough as well.

Salmons 6'6 205 (according to yahoo nba)
Affalo 6'5 215
 
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KingMilz

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The_Jamal said:
This really shouldnt even be a question. We're committed (and should be) to McLemore for at least 2 years
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So if the Jazz came to us asking this you wouldn't even listen? Come on Hayward is a very good player (as Ben will be to) but to act like he's already untradeable for a talent like Hayward is to much. Hayward is young and brings a lot to the table you can't be completely dismissive about it, I mean look at what happened to T-Rob......
 
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mac

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andremiller07 said:
Assuming we can package something like Thompson/It or Thornton for ethier Henderson or Afflalo (both are on the trading block)my question is would you consider than trading Ben Mac for Hayward
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Oh, why I'd do it even if we coudln't get Henderson or Afflalo. I think Hayward is a very underrated player and you've already seen what he brings to the table. IMO Ben Mac's ceiling is as a good 3rd option for us, and there's a big IF there. Based on that, I'd take my chances with Hayward. But you wouldn't do it if you thought Mac could be our #2 option.
 
Bricklayer

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andremiller07 said:
So if the Jazz came to us asking this you wouldn't even listen? Come on Hayward is a very good player (as Ben will be to) but to act like he's already untradeable for a talent like Hayward is to much. Hayward is young and brings a lot to the table you can't be completely dismissive about it, I mean look at what happened to T-Rob......
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Well even though this is a pretty clear yes for me -- multiple young good guys who I know can play in this league for 1 rook who may or may not be any better years down the line -- it is kind of a silly hypothetical. They obviously aren't going to trade him, nor does anybody at this point. And given that he's their first draft pick and they were dancing around on draft day when they got him, it would likely be years before they would admit to having made an error even if they have.

P.S. I don't think Hayward is going to be a star, and Jazz fans hoping for such are likely dwindling. But he is a very nice all around player and proven NBA shooter. Mac will do well to be as good down the road.
 
steelevt

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i think would just because i would rather have a proven commodity over an unknown. i would have taken the rumored lowry for our pick last year. i am in no way saying im giving up on m16 or dont think he will be good. but there's always the risk of a rookie not panning out, no matter where he is picked or "nba ready" he is. The only reason i might not do it now is because we dont have a legit #2 option and i hope m16 will become that.
 
Chupacabra

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The question is do we trade our 7th overall pick that many analysts consider to be the best player in the draft that can shoot the lights out and put someone on a poster every night with his elite athleticism....for Gordon Hayward? Answer: No way.
 
Spike

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I think the question is more likely would you trade a not-ready McLemore, who might not ever be ready (or very well could), for a young player who is ready and contributing. In that regard, I think it's more gray. I'd move him for the right piece.
 
Bricklayer

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Chupacabra said:
The question is do we trade our 7th overall pick that many analysts consider to be the best player in the draft that can shoot the lights out and put someone on a poster every night with his elite athleticism....for Gordon Hayward? Answer: No way.
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you may not be doing Gordon Hayward justice. Not an All Star, but with a larger role next year a 15ppg 40% 3pt shooter, with nice bits of scrap attached. If Mac is ever that good I will be satisfied.
 
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miltonap

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this thread is stupid, hypothetical or not. The guy hasn't even played an NBA minute. Obviously, Gordon Hayward would be the better option in the short run but who cares about that right now? Let the kid develop, he's got massive potential.
 
Spike

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Potential goes both ways. I'll be curious to see how he develops, but if his "potential" can upgrade a position of need, I wouldn't think twice about it. If an unproven guard can net us a proven forward, why not? It's time to stop relying on potential-we need to move into win mode, starting with next off season at the latest.
 
Bricklayer

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miltonap said:
this thread is stupid, hypothetical or not. The guy hasn't even played an NBA minute. Obviously, Gordon Hayward would be the better option in the short run but who cares about that right now? Let the kid develop, he's got massive potential.
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I made that point last page. It is silly, but thrown out as a hypothetical I think there are some unrealistic expectations.
 
roasthawg

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Not a chance... I actually came away from summer league very impressed. When he gets hot he gets reaaaaaaallllllllllly hot. Shooting guards of MLM's ilk generally take until year 3 to really put it all together... I really liked what I saw and think that a few years from now we're looking at a possible all star player with a clearly defined position and role on the team.
 
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