Igoudala Clears Up Sac Offer (KNBR Interview)

TaxMan

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Was in the bay area today and heard Igoudala interviewed on KNBR. They talked a bit about the Kings pulling their offer and what really happened. He said his tweets that went out (i.e. Wow....Motivation), had nothing to do with the kings pulling the offer. I'm paraphrasing, but basically said he still has a ton of respect for Vivek and Pete and loves their vision and direction for the team. In fact, he said after they pulled the offer, he has still been in contact with Vivek and he's someone that he would love to work with after his playing days. He said he understood why they pulled the offer (i.e. basically what we all suspected....that his agent was using the offer as leverage) and that there were no hard feelings at all. While hard to judge after the fact, he said the Warriors were always his first choice...and could you really blame him at this point in his career?

If you still have doubts about the quality of individuals in our front office, I'd encourage you to check out the interview. I'm assuming it will be up on KNBR's website later this week.
 
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Sooty

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It's funny (sadly funny?) that people choose to go the route of automatic attack mode on the new FO when this leverage thing by agents has been used since day one of free agent professional sports. This folks will not be the last time and we will revisit it over and over, it is the nature of the game.

Fans being fanatic, sometimes pisses me off. :)
 
Kingsfan23

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I can't begrudge Iggy either if that's how the interview went down. For him to come out and clarify it like that is cool. I think a lot of Kings fans that wanted him can understand why he made the decision he did, and won't hold him accountable for how his agent went about granting his wish
 
TaxMan

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Kingsfan23 said:
I can't begrudge Iggy either if that's how the interview went down. For him to come out and clarify it like that is cool. I think a lot of Kings fans that wanted him can understand why he made the decision he did, and won't hold him accountable for how his agent went about granting his wish
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I don't think I had ever heard him interviewed before, but he seems like a very well spoken, interesting guy. Too bad it didn't work out for us.
 
twslam07

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Why is an agent using an offer to get a competitor to increase their offer such a bad thing? Yes, I understand it can start a bidding war, but if that player has no intention of going to your franchise, all you're doing is increasing the price for other teams and thus taking away more of their cap space. In this case, if we never withdrew our offer, it's likely that the warriors would have had to fork up more money for him. Since we pulled our offer, it didn't force the warriors and other teams to go up as high.

It's also something I don't really understand when GMs openly say they'll match any offer for a restricted free agent. You might as well offer the player a decent price knowing that the original team will match and thus decreasing their cap room. It only makes sense to keep quiet and let the market set the price or offer a restricted free agent a contract right away. I would be very timid saying that I would match any offer for player X because I'm trying to drive people from offering in the first place.
 
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Kingsfan23

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twslam07 said:
Why is an agent using an offer to get a competitor to increase their offer such a bad thing? Yes, I understand it can start a bidding war, but if that player has no intention of going to your franchise, all you're doing is increasing the price for other teams and thus taking away more of their cap space. In this case, if we never withdrew our offer, it's likely that the warriors would have had to fork up more money for him. Since we pulled our offer, it didn't force the warriors and other teams to go up as high.

It's also something I don't really understand when GMs openly say they'll match any offer for a restricted free agent. You might as well offer him the player a decent price knowing that the original team will match and thus decreasing their cap room.
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Our offer was 4/52, his agent was most likely misrepresenting that as 4/56.. If Rob Pelinka wants to leverage our actual offer and not a made up offer there would have been 0 problem
 
Chupacabra

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twslam07 said:
Why is an agent using an offer to get a competitor to increase their offer such a bad thing? Yes, I understand it can start a bidding war, but if that player has no intention of going to your franchise, all you're doing is increasing the price for other teams and thus taking away more of their cap space. In this case, if we never withdrew our offer, it's likely that the warriors would have had to fork up more money for him. Since we pulled our offer, it didn't force the warriors and other teams to go up as high.
It's also something I don't really understand when GMs openly say they'll match any offer for a restricted free agent. You might as well offer the player a decent price knowing that the original team will match and thus decreasing their cap room. It only makes sense to keep quiet and let the market set the price or offer a restricted free agent a contract right away. I would be very timid saying that I would match any offer for player X because I'm trying to drive people from offering in the first place.
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I remember a couple of years back we were going for Jamal Crawford. We were the highest bidder, we never rescinded our offer, and Crawford chose to play for Portland for less money.
 
twslam07

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Kingsfan23 said:
Our offer was 4/52, his agent was most likely misrepresenting that as 4/56.. If Rob Pelinka wants to leverage our actual offer and not a made up offer there would have been 0 problem
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I didn't know that was our offer. Do you have a link?

In that case, I still don't think it makes sense to retract your offer. If someone offers him 4/56 because they heard we were offering them that much, then we still drove the price up for another team. If nobody wants to go up that high, then we get him or he signs cheaper elsewhere. I don't see how being "used" by an agent is a reason to take your offer off the table. Taking your offer off the table results in two things. 1) You won't sign that player and 2) you have created less competition to get a player which most of the time drives the price down (less competition, lower pricing...you know that stuff you learn in economics?) Someone help me understand the other side to this conversation.
 
twslam07

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Chupacabra said:
I remember a couple of years back we were going for Jamal Crawford. We were the highest bidder, we never rescinded our offer, and Crawford chose to play for Portland for less money.
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I'm having trouble seeing your point. You think we should have rescinded our offer for Crawford too? I understand that offering the most amount of money doesn't guarantee you the player you want. There are other variables at play.

If you offer a player a contract and he has no intention of coming to play for you (but you don't know that), then the player and his agent will most likely use your offer to drive up the price for him around the league. So basically what you did is make a player, you had no shot at getting, more expensive for another team. That seems like a good deal to me. Now this doesn't happen every time (e.g. Crawford), but it does happen.

The only reason I would rescind an offer is if my plans changed and I don't want that player to sign and play for my team.
 
Spike

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est.1999 said:
Lmao we all know very damn well that that tweet had EVERYTHING to do with the offer pull. Who's he kidding?
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Absolutely. We'll likely never hear the FO reasoning (no need on their end), but if we did, the truth will likely be in the middle. Iguodala's response was very PC and clean. Good for him.
As others have said, pulling the offer because it was driving up the price makes no sense. Pulling the offer because you want someone else makes more sense, but there was no "someone else."
At this point, I'd almost rather not know because it's likely to make me mad. C'est la vie.
 
TaxMan

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Spike said:
Absolutely. We'll likely never hear the FO reasoning (no need on their end), but if we did, the truth will likely be in the middle. Iguodala's response was very PC and clean. Good for him.
As others have said, pulling the offer because it was driving up the price makes no sense. Pulling the offer because you want someone else makes more sense, but there was no "someone else."
At this point, I'd almost rather not know because it's likely to make me mad. C'est la vie.
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LOL. Did you even listen to the interview? To me, it seems pretty clear that both sides are cool with what happened and there's no animosity anywhere, but if you want to read more into it I guess that's your preogrative. I swear, seems like there is always a conspiracy somewhere.....
 
Mojo

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est.1999 said:
Lmao we all know very damn well that that tweet had EVERYTHING to do with the offer pull. Who's he kidding?
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Yeah, sorry but I can't I believe him about the tweets. He tweets that and then ten minutes later it leaks that the Kings had pulled their offer? Talk about coincidental timing.
 
Kingster

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twslam07 said:
I'm having trouble seeing your point. You think we should have rescinded our offer for Crawford too? I understand that offering the most amount of money doesn't guarantee you the player you want. There are other variables at play.

If you offer a player a contract and he has no intention of coming to play for you (but you don't know that), then the player and his agent will most likely use your offer to drive up the price for him around the league. So basically what you did is make a player, you had no shot at getting, more expensive for another team. That seems like a good deal to me. Now this doesn't happen every time (e.g. Crawford), but it does happen.

The only reason I would rescind an offer is if my plans changed and I don't want that player to sign and play for my team.
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You can potentially use your money for somebody else in FA or in a trade.
 
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TaxMan said:
Was in the bay area today and heard Igoudala interviewed on KNBR. They talked a bit about the Kings pulling their offer and what really happened. He said his tweets that went out (i.e. Wow....Motivation), had nothing to do with the kings pulling the offer. I'm paraphrasing, but basically said he still has a ton of respect for Vivek and Pete and loves their vision and direction for the team. In fact, he said after they pulled the offer, he has still been in contact with Vivek and he's someone that he would love to work with after his playing days. He said he understood why they pulled the offer (i.e. basically what we all suspected....that his agent was using the offer as leverage) and that there were no hard feelings at all. While hard to judge after the fact, he said the Warriors were always his first choice...and could you really blame him at this point in his career?

If you still have doubts about the quality of individuals in our front office, I'd encourage you to check out the interview. I'm assuming it will be up on KNBR's website later this week.
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He lyin
 
jalfa

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Greg Wissinger said:
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Why is everyone freaking out about Iguodala? We've been making Despicable Me comparisons for weeks.
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Greg Wissinger said:
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And they knew each other in Denver. It's unlikely it was intended as mean-spirited.
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good points, this might very well be nothing. PDA just spoke at a NBPA meeting and the tweet previous to the controversial one commended PDA for the speech. jump to conclusions is aborted mid-air.
 
VF21

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est.1999 said:
Lmao we all know very damn well that that tweet had EVERYTHING to do with the offer pull. Who's he kidding?
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How do you know? I was following several people on Twitter at the time and more than one of them said his response was over the Extreme Weight Loss problem. The timing of the reveal and his tweets was almost exactly on target so maybe, just maybe "we" don't know a damned thing.

Twitter is great but can also be misinterpreted, especially if you're not following the entire conversation and make a judgment based only on what you happen to see.

During the Boston Marathon manhunt, when they had the brothers in their sights, Twitter was awash with erroneous identifications, including one young man who had been missing for a couple of weeks (and whose body was found a few days after the capture of the real culprit).

I think Iguodala was being honest and forthright in his interview. No reason for him to be anything else. Way too much conspiracy theory/paranoia floating around over this IMHO.
 
Bricklayer

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1) those first tweets were absolutely about us pulling the offer. In fact that was how the news broke that something had happened.

2) but all the rest of this stuff is just...why are we randomly following along with twitter conversations with a guy who is never going to be a King now? I mean, they can fight, they can smooch, it really doesn't seem terribly relevant or apropos of much of anything for us weeks after the deed.

Oh well, guess its TDOS syndrome kicking in.
 
Mojo

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VF21 said:
How do you know? I was following several people on Twitter at the time and more than one of them said his response was over the Extreme Weight Loss problem.
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I saw the tweets that you are referring too. They seemed to be more in jest, trying to make fun of the situation. But like everybody has said, it doesn't matter much now. Andre and PDA appear to be friends so all is well.
 
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