Youngman article "pie in the sky"

pupsingh said:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-296737--.html

this is honestly one of the most poorly written, bias ridden articles i have ever read. This guy sounds incredibly desparate to have the kings there and takes soo many quotes completely out of context and ignores some very important factors. unbelievable
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It's written by the same clown who said the Maloofs had already filed and the league was fast tracking the approval process. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is being paid on the side by Samueli to generate pro Royals hype.
 
im just in shock at how poorly analyzed this piece of crap is lol. no mention of maloofs being broke, oh a two week extension? thats just to give sac some false hope.....like the nba would waste their time with that? is this guy nuts? he sounds like a 5 year old
 
pupsingh said:
im just in shock at how poorly analyzed this piece of crap is lol. no mention of maloofs being broke, oh a two week extension? thats just to give sac some false hope.....like the nba would waste their time with that? is this guy nuts? he sounds like a 5 year old
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Yeah it's definitely among the most ridiculously biased spin ridden articles I've ever read. it irked me so much i created an account and left a few comments, lol.
 
That man is the closest thing to a retarded writer I have ever seen.. the only thing that article is missing is "Herpa derp".
 
Ha, he's in for a rude awakening, me thinks. EVERYONE expected Stern to go along with the Maloofs request, totally unchallenged. The fact that he's extending the deadline shows that he sees something positive from our Mayor that warrants further investigation, and, ultimately, he doesn't WANT to move the team out of Sac if he doesn't feel he needs to. KJ seems determined to do what he can to keep the team, and as long as he keeps the fire, I think we'll be in good shape.

OBVIOUSLY, Stern was far more impressed with our Mayor than Anaheim's. Must be a bitter pill for the newspaper columnists in OC.
 
My favorite is his suggestion that the current arena proposal is only two weeks in the making. As in Mayor Johnson went to the Board of Governors, said we have the political will to build and outside revenue sources including billionaire Ron Burkle to finance it, and once the BOG said "great let's see it" K.J. thought "crap, we'd better get started."
 
one quote that bugs me is when he mentions that stern basically said that "the finance departments wants to see about the arena thing in sac but ive already explored it and I know its a lost cause". writer is implying that the two week extension is only to satisfy the members of the finance committee even though Stern already believes its a lost cause. i hope that quote was taken out of context or misanalyzed by this idiot
 
pupsingh said:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-296737--.html

this is honestly one of the most poorly written, bias ridden articles i have ever read. This guy sounds incredibly desparate to have the kings there and takes soo many quotes completely out of context and ignores some very important factors. unbelievable
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I didn't think it was possible to make Ailene look like a gifted journalist but I was apparently proven wrong.
 
pupsingh said:
one quote that bugs me is when he mentions that stern basically said that "the finance departments wants to see about the arena thing in sac but ive already explored it and I know its a lost cause". writer is implying that the two week extension is only to satisfy the members of the finance committee even though Stern already believes its a lost cause. i hope that quote was taken out of context or misanalyzed by this idiot
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I thought it was odd that I couldn't remember reading the finance committee quote anywhere, so I put the exact quote into google and the only thing that came up was a reference to the Youngman article itself. Very strange. Same with the asphalt quote. I don't know if he had a private meeting or confrence call with Stern (doubtful) but no one aside from Youngman has these quotes.

On the other hand, some of his quotes are lifted straight from the post-meeting press conference.

"Stern stressed that the crux of the relocation issue is Sacramento's decaying arena, and he used the words "inadequate" and "on its last legs" to describe Power Balance Pavilion (formerly Arco Arena), which recently was deemed unfit for NCAA Tournament basketball games. He also used the phrase, "When Arco shuts down, which is inevitable . . ."

However, you'll note he has a nasty habit of using ellipses. Here's the quote in full:

"The Mayor (Kevin Johnson) really understood that ARCO, or excuse me, Power Balance Arena is not the arena of future. And that Sacramento has to face up to the issue that when ARCO is no longer around, and it's on its last legs now and the NCAA won't even use it to host its tournaments, that Sacramento will be the 20th largest market and will be the only one of those 20 not to have an entertainment and sports center."

If this guy told me my mother loved me, I'd want a second opinon.
 
This reporter has been like the only guy to report on the move down there. There have been a few at the LA Times, but for the OC register he's been the only guy. During Stern's press conference on Fraiday, there were a half dozen or more local media from Sacramento there. Youngman was the only OC guy to ask a question. So yeah they are not really following this much at all in OC.
 
JB_kings said:
This reporter has been like the only guy to report on the move down there. There have been a few at the LA Times, but for the OC register he's been the only guy. During Stern's press conference on Fraiday, there were a half dozen or more local media from Sacramento there. Youngman was the only OC guy to ask a question. So yeah they are not really following this much at all in OC.
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The Lakers and LA Kings are in the playoffs that gets the coverage.
 
JB_kings said:
This reporter has been like the only guy to report on the move down there. There have been a few at the LA Times, but for the OC register he's been the only guy. During Stern's press conference on Fraiday, there were a half dozen or more local media from Sacramento there. Youngman was the only OC guy to ask a question. So yeah they are not really following this much at all in OC.
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And I think that pretty much sums up the level of interest in Anaheim about a possible move. Most are apathetic. Some are against the move, especially Laker fans in the OC and the smallest percentage seem to be interested in having a team, and also delighting in the idea that they would be taking the team from Sacramento. I imagine there are enough of them that would support the Kings the first year regardless of record. But I also get the impression that they would abandon the team if they weren't a contender in year 2 or 3.

But you'd see the biggest evidence that the OC is not a welcoming or excited fanbase only if the Kings remain in Sacramento. Because I guarantee you that there'd be nary a comment of "I'm really disappointed, I really wanted a team here" and a litany of "We never wanted the Queens anyway" type comments. Anaheim might be able to support a basketball team but I don't see a passionate fanbase there. I suppose if the Kings/Royals DO move we'll see.

Because quite frankly, I don't know how many really passionate Lakers fans there are. And by that I mean that the Lakers, for my entire lifetime have been a good to great team. If memory serves, the Lakers have been in the lottery exactly twice, when they got Eddie Jones and then Andrew Bynum. That's decades of being a playoff team. It's a testament to one of the greatest franchises in any sport that they've been so consistently good, but it also means their fanbase has never been tested. How many "die-hard" Laker fans would still watch every game if the team missed the playoffs for say six straight years?

An arena deal needs to get done in Sacramento. Because Kings fans deserve their team and Anaheim has yet to even really show they want one.
 
Anaheim would be a good test market for the NBA owned team (Hornets) but not a team and a city which has so much to lose in the Kings..
 
I'm still holding out hope that Sterling has a conscious attack. I know it's not going to happen but if you think about it, the best possible scenario here would be....

1) Sterling realizes that he's the bad guy and decides to sell the Clippers.

2) The Maloofs sell their stake to Burkle. Minority investors stay on. Sacramento gets an arena due to Burkle being able to front money and with assistance from Universal and Webber, they cover the gap.

3) Sterling turns around and sells 55% to the Maloofs and 45% to Samueli and they move the Clippers to Anaheim.

This works for everyone. Sacramento keeps it's team, Buss' market doesn't get oversaturated and he now becomes the only NBA tenant in his building, Anaheim gets a team, Clipper fans still have their team in the metropolitan area, the Maloofs stay on as NBA owners and the NBA avoids the black eye of relocation.

Let's not forget that the Lakers are about to rebuild and the Clippers are up and coming. Buss not only keeps the market at 2 teams instead of 3 but he gets Blake out of his crib. If you think about it, the Clippers are going to have the more talented team which makes it all the more intriguing for the Maloofs to trade in the Kings for the Clippers.

Yeah, yeah, save it Larry David. I know that Sterling isn't going to sell but if you think about it, this scenario works for everyone. With Samueli, Buss, Stern and the Maloofs in the same room with Sterling for the past couple days, you would at least hope that someone at least looked upon this scenario.
 
Section 101 said:
The Lakers and LA Kings are in the playoffs that gets the coverage.
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True, but I've noticed that this guy has been pretty much the only OC Register coverage since All Star weekend. I think I can recall one other editor article about the move. And if they want to consider themselves a separate market from LA, they really should be covering this way more. The BOG meeting was a big event in this move and they did minimal coverage. Their media down there is very LA centric for the most part. Understandable, but this is part of life in the bottom end of a saturated market.
 
Trueblood said:
I'm still holding out hope that Sterling has a conscious attack. I know it's not going to happen but if you think about it, the best possible scenario here would be....

1) Sterling realizes that he's the bad guy and decides to sell the Clippers.

2) The Maloofs sell their stake to Burkle. Minority investors stay on. Sacramento gets an arena due to Burkle being able to front money and with assistance from Universal and Webber, they cover the gap.

3) Sterling turns around and sells 55% to the Maloofs and 45% to Samueli and they move the Clippers to Anaheim.

This works for everyone. Sacramento keeps it's team, Buss' market doesn't get oversaturated and he now becomes the only NBA tenant in his building, Anaheim gets a team, Clipper fans still have their team in the metropolitan area, the Maloofs stay on as NBA owners and the NBA avoids the black eye of relocation.

Let's not forget that the Lakers are about to rebuild and the Clippers are up and coming. Buss not only keeps the market at 2 teams instead of 3 but he gets Blake out of his crib. If you think about it, the Clippers are going to have the more talented team which makes it all the more intriguing for the Maloofs to trade in the Kings for the Clippers.

Yeah, yeah, save it Larry David. I know that Sterling isn't going to sell but if you think about it, this scenario works for everyone. With Samueli, Buss, Stern and the Maloofs in the same room with Sterling for the past couple days, you would at least hope that someone at least looked upon this scenario.
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You have to HAVE a conscious before it can attack
 
JB_kings said:
True, but I've noticed that this guy has been pretty much the only OC Register coverage since All Star weekend. I think I can recall one other editor article about the move. And if they want to consider themselves a separate market from LA, they really should be covering this way more. The BOG meeting was a big event in this move and they did minimal coverage. Their media down there is very LA centric for the most part. Understandable, but this is part of life in the bottom end of a saturated market.
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You missed my point. It will always be that way. :)
 
Trueblood said:
I'm still holding out hope that Sterling has a conscious attack. I know it's not going to happen but if you think about it, the best possible scenario here would be....

1) Sterling realizes that he's the bad guy and decides to sell the Clippers.

2) The Maloofs sell their stake to Burkle. Minority investors stay on. Sacramento gets an arena due to Burkle being able to front money and with assistance from Universal and Webber, they cover the gap.

3) Sterling turns around and sells 55% to the Maloofs and 45% to Samueli and they move the Clippers to Anaheim.

This works for everyone. Sacramento keeps it's team, Buss' market doesn't get oversaturated and he now becomes the only NBA tenant in his building, Anaheim gets a team, Clipper fans still have their team in the metropolitan area, the Maloofs stay on as NBA owners and the NBA avoids the black eye of relocation.

Let's not forget that the Lakers are about to rebuild and the Clippers are up and coming. Buss not only keeps the market at 2 teams instead of 3 but he gets Blake out of his crib. If you think about it, the Clippers are going to have the more talented team which makes it all the more intriguing for the Maloofs to trade in the Kings for the Clippers.

Yeah, yeah, save it Larry David. I know that Sterling isn't going to sell but if you think about it, this scenario works for everyone. With Samueli, Buss, Stern and the Maloofs in the same room with Sterling for the past couple days, you would at least hope that someone at least looked upon this scenario.
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You know what works for Samueli? Sell him the Hornets and move them to Anaheim if he wants a team so bad. Taking our team from Sac shouldn't be how they test the market.. Use the team that nobody owns to do that.
 
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Gary said:
You know what works for Samueli? Sell him the Hornets and move them to Anaheim if he wants a team so bad. Taking our team from Sac shouldn't be how they test the market.. Use the team that nobody owns to do that.
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This seems so incredibly logical and aren't the Hornets a better team? I mean now? Why would Samueli want the Kings over the Hornets and why would the league not want Samueli to have the Hornets? If they question his character, which is a definite possibility, he shouldn't own the Kings or the Hornets.
 
all would be well if the kings werent 50% owned by the maloofs. Why not MOVE the hornets next year... if the maloofs want to earn money sell the team get the hornets they are playoff bound now. and are better with CP3
 
Aenadin said:
all would be well if the kings werent 50% owned by the maloofs. Why not MOVE the hornets next year... if the maloofs want to earn money sell the team get the hornets they are playoff bound now. and are better with CP3
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The problem is that Maloofs "only own" 51%-53% of the Kings which is roughly around $150 million. In order for them to buy the Hornets, they would have to buy them in full or find someone who is willing to be a minority partner which is unlikely. So they really don't have $300 million to spend on a new team and them pay more to relocate them to Anaheim.

They know that owning just enough of the Kings brings them the lime light and the attention without actually paying the full price for the team. They only own just over half the team and thats the bare minimum but its the maximum they can afford and even thats questionable lately.
 
Čarolija said:
The problem is that Maloofs "only own" 51%-53% of the Kings which is roughly around $150 million. In order for them to buy the Hornets, they would have to buy them in full or find someone who is willing to be a minority partner which is unlikely. So they really don't have $300 million to spend on a new team and them pay more to relocate them to Anaheim.

They know that owning just enough of the Kings brings them the lime light and the attention without actually paying the full price for the team. They only own just over half the team and thats the bare minimum but its the maximum they can afford and even thats questionable lately.
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The Hornets have minority owners too. The league only owns the majority share.
 
Section 101 said:
The Hornets have minority owners too. The league only owns the majority share.
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But Maloofs would still have to prove that they are financially viable which is proving to be somewhat troublesome at the moment.

Basically, its easier to stay in the circle of the NBA if you don't have as much money as you used to but its darn hard to get back into it if you are not cashed up!

If some rich dude (eg Samueli or Burkle or someone like that) and wants to buy the hornets on one side, and then you have the Maloofs on the other, who do you think NBA would rather let into the circle?!

Remember "The boys don't have money"
 
Čarolija said:
But Maloofs would still have to prove that they are financially viable which is proving to be somewhat troublesome at the moment.

Basically, its easier to stay in the circle of the NBA if you don't have as much money as you used to but its darn hard to get back into it if you are not cashed up!

If some rich dude (eg Samueli or Burkle or someone like that) and wants to buy the hornets on one side, and then you have the Maloofs on the other, who do you think NBA would rather let into the circle?!

Remember "The boys don't have money"
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I don't disagree with just. Just saying the value they have in the Kings is about the same as it would take for the Hornets.
 
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