Bricklayer
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swisshh said:
How does "down" strike you as a direction?
With Cuttino gone...
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How does "down" strike you as a direction?
SLAB
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Even though Cat left for nothing, if we would have kept DC, we would have been stuck with his contract, AND an aging, declining player coming off an injury.
And it was a leg (ankle?) injury, so what if that affects his quickness? Which in turn would affect his defense...And without his defense Christie is useless.
As far as Doug's condition, his problem was bone spurs and plantar fasciitis. It wasn't so much an injury as a condition that was repaired by surgery and should leave no lingering after effects.
If we had kept Doug, we would have had the benefit of his counsel for Kevin last season which might have been huge!
If we had kept Doug, we would have had the benefit of his counsel for Kevin last season which might have been huge!
Bricklayer
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SLAB said:
No, this is kind of like the Webb situation will be in a few years -- if we had kept Doug he would have been an ending contract this summer, and had significant trade value. We WOULD have been able to trade him for a significant piece this summer, and one that was going to be on the team next year.
At the time of the trade (Cat/Doug) I was for it -- younger, more talented player. Clear winner for the Kings long term. But that was on the assumption that we were either going to keep Cat or do something with him and cash in on his considerable trade value. Not on the assumption that we lose him, and in essence Doug, for nothing at all. That's just flat out simple talent depletion. You let a valuable piece walk out the door and have absolutley nothing to show for it but a smaller payroll -- which is really only the way you should be thinking if you're planning on being a lottery team and cleaning out enough room to make a run at a major free agent, which we presumably are not.
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Bricklayer said:
I agree with you on this. Had Cat been a final peice that would have won us a championship last year (kinda like rasheed did for detroit a couple years ago) and then walked this year and we had some rings to show for it. It might not of been so bad. Instead we lost two players and still have no cap to sign a legitimate player. Its kinda like we just borrowed him for a couple months then sent him away.
BibityBobtyBoom
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well both teams got ripped in the trade: christie didn't want to play and mobley left us. not good for either side.
whozit
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I wasn't surprised he was let go for nothing and am not certain that was the prevailing assumption in getting him. I would not be surprised if the attitude was, 'if he works out fine and if he doesn't he'll just opt out anyways.' As far as ending contracts go, the team still has over 8 million in them. We will see if they are used to get anything of value back. The team has not always used the MLE. Off the top of my head there's been Ostertag and Keon. What other ones have they used the MLE on? That would be something like two times out of an available six or seven. The team may or may not have trade exemptions. realGM says we have four worth nearly 5 million. There has been debate on this and even with me using realGM as a source, I don't understand how the team got three from the Webber trade. Either way, they have let at least a couple of trade exemptions expire on the table. I don't believe the team has ever used all of its exemptions available in any given year. Last year was probably the closest with them using both the LLE and MLE (they did let 5 million in trade exemptions expire) Mobley in a S&T was only one option and one that as several posters have pointed had the least chance of getting something back of equal value.Bricklayer said:
The Maloofs have said they don't want to be in tax land. According to reports the tax will not be optional anymore, if you exceed the limit, you pay. That puts a fixed top. The team has to work below that level, by removing that 8 million it opens up the ability to use the other options. It was just one option that didn't pan out. That allows the other options to come into play. I had no doubts some would be left unused. I hope that they don't leave them all unused.
In a little less than a week the picture should be become much clearer.
swisshh said:
Whatever. Reducing your assessment of a team's potential to making cruel digs at a young man who happened to post on a popular teen board is pretty lame, isn't it?
I am not a Laker fan, but I have never made the mistake of underestimating their ability to bounce back. Jackson is a man on a mission. And he does still have Kobe Bryant. You want to demean them at this point, considering what we're working with right now and our chances?
Be careful. You might have to eat those words later in the season.
Elektrik
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At first I thought losing Cuttino and not getting anything in return was a big loss, but now I'm not so sure. Why get more bad contracts back in return. Unless Geoff could actually get someone that we actually wanted and could use then why take them on in a sign and trade. It surprised me that Cuttino actually signed outright to of all teams the Clippers. They are never going to win anything....ever, as long as Donald Sterling is the owner. This tells me tons about Cuttino. He doesn't care about a championship...just the money. No heart whatsoever. It would seem that Geoff felt the same way. He could have signed him outright for the most money since he was our own free agent but, chose not to. Everyone needs to be patient and just sit tight. There are still free agents out there, as well as trades, and don't forget about the amnesty clause. there's still lots of time and plenty of opportunities to get this team back on track.
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thesanityannex
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Lots of fishing!hoopsfan said:
Yoda
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Maybe Petrie thinks he is so much better then everyone else he will allow them to have a head start.VF21 said:Well, according to rumor we have:
1. Decided it would be really nifty to have lime green alternate jerseys.
2. ...
3. ...
Hmmmm. Apparently, there's just the one thing...
God, shoot me now.
Elektrik
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VF21 said:
Don't think so. He has said he wants to be an actor. What better place than L.A. It appears to me that basketball is not his first love...which is fine, I guess. However, basketball is only a means to an end for him, which is not going to bring home a trophy. Quite different than another former player of ours that all that mattered to him was winning a championship. I'll take a hungry less talented player over Cuttino any day of the week.
As far as making a difference, couldn't he have made that here? Or in Denver?
Following in Dougs footsteps? All players have to follow in somebody's footsteps. Some, a lot greater than Doug Christie. If that is the case then that is just one more instance of no heart. I'm glad he's gone.
Packt
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Elektrik said:
If it's one thing I'd never question about a player it's their desire to win. Sadly that doesn't mean they have heart, and I don't understand how not resigning with the Kings means he has no heart, but that's another thing completely. There have been no signs that the Kings even made an offer to keep Cuttino. And I still don't understand why signing for money is always frowned upon. Especially in this case, the Clippers are a much more complete team than we are. They've yet to make much noise, but we're not the same team we once were and there are definite questions surrounding how good we'll be next season.
Elektrik said:
Now you're just reaching here. He's said he wants to act, so the NBA is now somehow insignificant to him? I'm not sure how you get all that from one comment. Maybe it wasn't that Christie lost a step, but that he wanted to be a reality TV star.
Elektrik said:
You've made good points, although I don't necessarily agree with them. The one I was trying - obviously not very well - to make was that Cuttino was never really welcomed to Sacramento. A lot of people disliked him right from the beginning and a lot compared him less than favorably to the King he was replacing, Doug Christie. When I made the comment about him wanting to go where he FELT he could make a difference, I was simply saying that I don't think Cuttino ever felt like he belonged on our team. Nobody's fault, really... I just wonder what might have happened had he actually been given a chance to fit in. I do think that if Webber hadn't been traded, Cuttino might not have opted out but that's pure speculation on my part.
ReinadelosReys
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I never did dislike Cuttino prior to the Kings, however I never did "love" him as a King either. However, I think VF21 has a point in here:
Cuttino came to the Kings thinking "championship possibilities," however crazy as some might have thought it was at that time or in hindsight, but I think he left thinking this team is headed towards rebuilding so I might as well go for the money. I'm not going back and beating a dead horse here, the team changed and while I ultimately believe that $$$ was the deciding factor if not the biggest or perhaps only factor, the perception of the team has changed and part of me believes that too still factors in albeit as a marginal as imaginable.
VF21 said:
Cuttino came to the Kings thinking "championship possibilities," however crazy as some might have thought it was at that time or in hindsight, but I think he left thinking this team is headed towards rebuilding so I might as well go for the money. I'm not going back and beating a dead horse here, the team changed and while I ultimately believe that $$$ was the deciding factor if not the biggest or perhaps only factor, the perception of the team has changed and part of me believes that too still factors in albeit as a marginal as imaginable.
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Packt said:
The Kings are on the right track for a complete team similar looking to ones of the past : pg-bibby, sg-garcia/martin ala doug christie, sf-peja, c-miller ala divac, pf-???. I think the only hole now is the PF. Christie and Divac's holes have been filled pretty well, and we have a decent bench, especially if Kenny Thomas is willing to come off of it.
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