BibityBobtyBoom
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who are true candidates for the job left on the free agent market?
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With Cuttino gone...
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Yoda
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Can someone living in Sacramento wake Petrie up, it seems he hit the snooze botton one too many times. Can you tell him this is the Kings most important offseason in the last five years. Thanks.
Added: I responded when the thread title and content was the official word on Cuttino being gone. Thread changed while writing but my request remains the same. Do something Geoff.
Added: I responded when the thread title and content was the official word on Cuttino being gone. Thread changed while writing but my request remains the same. Do something Geoff.
G_M
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Packt said:
Man this is driving me crazy!!!
Look, there is NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, that Petrie could do!!! If a player wants to sign with a crappy team that also happens to be under the salary cap that's it GAME OVER!! Mobley and the Clipperes did NOT have to do a sign and trade-it's that simple!
If you want to blame Petrie for something find something else.
G_M
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KP said:
I have thought of that, but that's a separate argument. I don't think I'm alone in believing that Mobley did not fit the system. Honestly, I'm okay with Martin or Evans playing SG.
I think the Maloffs and Petrie want to improve the team. Just a hunch, but I'm sticking with it. GM of the Year to Village Idiot in a couple short years!
Tough Crowd!
KP
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I don't disagree with that. and I didn't disagree with them trading DC, I just disagreed with them trading for Cat. Like you said he didn't fit in, and I could have told you he would walk and we would get nothing for him(which I have been for months). I think it was a bad trade initially, and now we will pay for it. We are going to save some money with that 8 mil gone but we are still up there in salary and will the Maloofs even spend that money on another player anyways? Could we have gotten a better player/contract to work with than Mobleys? I didn't say it was over, Geoff still could be planning to spring that awesome move on all of us, and hit one out of the park. I just said strike 1.G_M said:
John Galt
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No deal is better than a bad deal. Kind of how the Blazers are saying they don't want salary back for Shareef - probably the Maloofs don't want salary back for Cuttino just for the sake of not coming away empty. Empty is better than being laden down with more crap contracts.
Geoff is probably never again going to create Vlade/Chris/JDub/Peja out of thin air He had his day as the fair haired boy. Exec of the year was a long time ago - those were the good old days, when he could trade Corliss for Christie, JDub for Bibby etc. Everyone is on to him now. Flame if you like but I still think the 76ers stole Webber from him....time will tell.
But he'll do something to improve the team I'm confident of that. Something nobody expects. But not like the old days.
Geoff is probably never again going to create Vlade/Chris/JDub/Peja out of thin air He had his day as the fair haired boy. Exec of the year was a long time ago - those were the good old days, when he could trade Corliss for Christie, JDub for Bibby etc. Everyone is on to him now. Flame if you like but I still think the 76ers stole Webber from him....time will tell.
But he'll do something to improve the team I'm confident of that. Something nobody expects. But not like the old days.
foretaz
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to me this would seem to be about payroll, first and foremost....and the decision being made that the payroll would stay roughly the same as it was last year....
they will most likely use the MLE...which is around 5 mill....they have a first round draft choice added to the roster...they let mobley go, which wouldve cost them around 6.5....the two arent that far off from one another....
now u factor in that if they sign and traded mobley they couldve taken back as much as 125% of his new salary, they basically said we arent going to spend somewhere as much as 8mill additional dollars this year...and actually that might have put them in luxury tax land....which is probably the underlying factor, because then that 8 million ends up costing 16 million....
so it appears they ve decided that theyre gonna try to make the team better using a similar payroll....so it appears their best chance is the MLE, trading their existing players for some better ones....at least as far as fitting the team goes...and of course there might be a few decent players that are released with the amnesty clause that they might try to talk into coming to sacramento that could be had for cheap....
bottom line this appears to be much more about money and fiscal responsibility than anything else....
and with the luxury tax now going to be in play all the time, its not hard to see why...and the kings probably wont be the only ones in this mode...
they will most likely use the MLE...which is around 5 mill....they have a first round draft choice added to the roster...they let mobley go, which wouldve cost them around 6.5....the two arent that far off from one another....
now u factor in that if they sign and traded mobley they couldve taken back as much as 125% of his new salary, they basically said we arent going to spend somewhere as much as 8mill additional dollars this year...and actually that might have put them in luxury tax land....which is probably the underlying factor, because then that 8 million ends up costing 16 million....
so it appears they ve decided that theyre gonna try to make the team better using a similar payroll....so it appears their best chance is the MLE, trading their existing players for some better ones....at least as far as fitting the team goes...and of course there might be a few decent players that are released with the amnesty clause that they might try to talk into coming to sacramento that could be had for cheap....
bottom line this appears to be much more about money and fiscal responsibility than anything else....
and with the luxury tax now going to be in play all the time, its not hard to see why...and the kings probably wont be the only ones in this mode...
captain bill
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Francisco d'Anconia said:
The Sixers hardly stole Webber- Petrie practically gave him away. They wanted to unload Chris and Doug, and that's exactly what they did. I think they are happy to be rid of them and try to start building again, but a lot of fans disagree with what they are doing. Especially because they were so intent on ridding themselves of Webber they took the first offer that came along and now we are paying the price. Maybe the problem is that GP is great at building a team, but not so good at taking one apart cleanly.
Diabeticwonder
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captain bill said:
The first and only offer. Although trading Webber was not a popular thing to do it was necessary.
captain bill
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It's an open debate as to how 'necessary' it was, although at this point there's no real point in having that debate. Point is they wanted to trade Webber no matter what.
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thesanityannex
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Simple equation:Yoda said:
Diabeticwonder=Kings GM
John Galt
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Yoda said:
How could they possibly have had another offer, ANY other offer, and chosen THIS one.
I think it has been stated by Geoff that the Sixers called out of the blue with Thomas, Skinner and Williamson for Webber and cap filler. Geoff asked for better players and was rebuffed. He was proposed a "take it or leave it" offer by the 76ers and he took it. I can't prove it with links but hopefully someone will back me up that it went down like this according to Geoff.
No shame in that, but I think the 76ers got the best of it. I'll take it back when I see Geoff do something clever with the flexible trade bait he got in return.
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thesanityannex
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or when Webber goes down with another injury.Francisco d'Anconia said:
SacTownKid
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G_M said:
This is totally true, and its one of the main reasons Orlando traded him in the first place. They knew he was just going to up and leave and they didn't want to re-sign him.. Niether did we apparently.
Bricklayer
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SacTownKid said:
That right there is my fear here -- its one thing if we traded for him, knew this was a risk, but losing him for nothing like we have was the worst case result. That means we miscalculated, but the miscalculation was at least in pursuit of a better result, whether it be Cat reupping, a sign and trade, whatever. But its quite another if all that the Cat move was was another sneaky way for the Maloofs to line their pocketbooks with a two step salary dump. Then that's not really about basketball. Its about money. And we as fans of the franchise lose out even as the Maloofs gain. Long gone are the freespending owners of only 3 years ago.
captain bill
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thesanityannex said:
"Another" injury? One big injury does not make a guy injury-prone. Grant Hill is not injury prone, he just got one real bad injury. Same with CWebb- one big injury leaving him hobbled for a while does not make him likely to suffer another one. Of course, he could re-aggravate his knee, but that's a completely different idea.
captain bill
All-Star
Bricklayer said:
The other option is that maybe they want to completely demolish this team before they start rebuilding. If they got another player to step in and lift up this franchise, we would have to win while being saddled with large contracts for non-impact player. Hopefully, they spend the next year clearing out the team and then in summer '06 we go after the big fish and actually attempt to create a respectable team.
*crosses fingers*
SacTownKid
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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Actually no that hasn't been stated. Geoff said that Philly called up and both he and Billy King were tossing around names to be involved in a trade. This is how the Webber trade came into reality.
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thesanityannex
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Tell that to my knee, I should have said re-aggravate like you did, thats more along the lines of what I meant.captain bill said:
ParniValjak
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And do you think Petrie would not have taken the best possible offer he had on the table.Yoda said:
I mean come on. If you have a car thats you are trying to sell and someone comes up and offers you $10000 and another person offers you $12000, which one would you take??????
Petrie might be many things but dumb is not one of them. I genuinely beleive he took the best offer he could possibly get.
ParniValjak
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Sorry, I replied straight away without reading the rest of the thread.Yoda said:
Packt
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G_M said:
Who's blaming Petrie? I knew this was always in Cats hands. I made a point about it months ago when forum members first started to re-design the roster and were using Cuttino in S&T.
What bothers me most is that the organization didn't even make an offer. Maybe they did, but all indications have pointed to them not having offered anything other than the S&T with Denver. No matter whose fault it is, we’re letting an asset leave us for nothing. We’re intent on the core and they need help, it would’ve been nice to have another piece to move. We can talk about Evans, Martin or Songaila, but those guys have no where near the value Cuttino has. Then again, maybe that was the problem. If I was Cuttino, I wouldn’t want to come back to a situation where you’re only signed on to be trade fodder.
In hindsight, if this is how things were going to turn out, I would've rather kept DC. He would've been much more beneficial to the team.
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At least the Lakers are doing a worse job of rebuilding than the Kings. It didn't look so bad though towards the end of last year, but that's because everyone thought or more accurately believed the orginization's words about being more flexible to make moves. Now I think teams are just avoiding being the victim of a Petrie trade, I think Karl pretty much shot down the Nene deal just not to end up on the bad side somehow.
At the end of the season, I thought the team would be finding a new direction. I am still waiting for the new direction.
At the end of the season, I thought the team would be finding a new direction. I am still waiting for the new direction.
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