Why Webber get booed

[#1sacfan]

Many people ask why is it when C-Webb has a bad game he gets booed but if Mike, Pedja or Brad have a bad game, all that is said is that they were off tonight.

The reason is very simple. When C-Webb has a bad game it directly can effect the entire team. Now one might say that whenever any player has a bad game it in fact effects the entire team and that is true. However when Brad or Pedja have a bad shooting night and to a lesser extent Mike they do not negatively impact anyone else's game on the floor. With C-Webb touching the ball almost everytime down the court he is the initiator of our offense. When he is forcing shots up and holding the ball to long he directly effects Pedja, Brads and other players ability to be effective. So this is why he gets booed. One other reason is that C-Webb tends to force things a little more when he is not doing well instead of getting his teammates involved. If he cuts that down and focuses on distributing the ball like Vlade did when his offense isnt working things would be alot better.

That being said I would love to see the C-Webb against the Grizzlies who abused them underneath the basket. And when he is at the elbow it would be nice to see him distribute first and shoot as a last resort. When he plays like this then it usually translates to positive things for the Kings.

 

[Peja4threee]

I will tell you why. When he has a bad bad shooting night and other players on the team are having an excellent shooting night, he will continue to shoot anyway, instead of feeding the hot hand.

 

[Bricklayer]

I will tell you why. When he has a bad bad shooting night and other players on the team are having an excellent shooting night, he will continue to shoot anyway, instead of feeding the hot hand.

Oh bull hookie. So will Peja, and you know what, he SHOULD.

And that's not why he gets booed. Most star level initiators on elite teams don't get booed everytime something goes wrong in a game. Almost no stars of ANY kind get booed during a game they are winning, in the midst of an undefeated homestand, while they are having a generally strong and winning season.

 

[RageMe11]

I agree with both of your previous posts, especially the first, this really irritates me about chris and that is what i think happened in the first three games of the season, but now, these past six or so games, even if he has been having an off night, he has been taking the vlade role of distributing a little, or a lot more which gives me confidence in the team when he is on the floor. Webber likes to make things happen, but he has to see that making things happen isn't always making things happen for himself. I think he has started to realize this with all the recent wins.

 

[Peja4threee]

dude, it's because Webber has so many other skills that can help the team even when his shooting is off. Peja can't pass and rebound like Webber. When Webber is having an off shooting night, he should use his other skills to get rebounds and assists. Webber is a great talent no doubt. When Rick took out Darius when Darius was playing awesome last night and brought Webber in to throw up bricks and go one on one, I was thinking......DOH!

 

[Bricklayer]

dude, it's because Webber has so many other skills that can help the team even when his shooting is off. Peja can't pass and rebound like Webber. When Webber is having an off shooting night, he should use his other skills to get rebounds and assists. Webber is a great talent no doubt. When Rick took out Darius when Darius was playing awesome last night and brought Webber in to throw up bricks and go one on one, I was thinking......DOH!

When Rick did WHAT? Did yuou watch what happened after Webber returned? he took exactly one shot. And that was because he had to (time ran out). He did not go one on one. He ran the offense. He did nothing great. But he absolutely did exactly what you claim you'd want him to do, which is stay out of the way.

And I don't buy for an instant that people boo Webb because they recognize that he is a superior overall talent than Peja and have higher expectations. Quite the opposite actually. I think they boo him out of ignorance and a mishmash of hard to pin down hard feelings and disappointments that they scapegoat Webb for.

 

[Peja4threee]

Look, I would never boo Webber or any Kings players. I was just giving you my take on why I think some fans boo him. He has like what 18 triple doubles, how many does Peja have? ZERO. Webber is a great talent in my opinion.

 

[Ryle]

People can let things go and they blame Webb for all the problems at the end of last year. He was not himself and played pretty crappy. This year he's averaging about 19 points, 10.5 boards and 5 assists. Pretty good production from your power forward spot. He and Brad seem to really be clicking together and bringing in Darius and Tag for 15 minutes a game gives us a pretty good front court.

 

[Peja4threee]

Yes I agree Brad & Webber are looking great this year and Darius and Greg are coming along so things are looking great. Bobby and Doug look like they are getting back to their high level of production as well. Barnes is a nice spark off the bench when called upon.

 

[1kingzfan]

Once again, too, let's not forget that when Webber goes 1-on-1, it's OFTEN after his teammates have been covered adequately by the defense in running through their offense once. Poor execution of screens by the screeners and/or those trying to get open, or, and this is a novel thought, just really good defense. Then the other 4 quit running, not because Webb didn't toss them the rock, but because he couldn't. Then Webb shoots.

Obviously, this is not always the scenario, and sometimes Chris has made up his mind that he is going to try to score on his guy, but if some of you just take the time to look away from the ball when Webber gets the entry pass, you'll see it.

Most of you will anyway...

 

[G_M]

I'm not a fan of booing. So, I can only speculate why people would boo Webber. Webber has the 4th highest salary in the league. Along with that go expectations(some unreasonable) reagrding Webber's performance. He simply can't carry a team for extended periods like Duncan and Garnett do. Additionally, Webber has made "vague" statements regarding the teams lack of mental toughness and yet rarley if ever has accepted any responsibilty for the his own poor play. His actions simply don't match his words.

Also, if someone is going to go 7 for 22 or 3 for 14 I'd hope that it would be Peja or Bibby.

 

[Evenstar]

I'm not a fan of booing. So, I can only speculate why people would boo Webber. Webber has the 4th highest salary in the league. Along with that go expectations(some unreasonable) reagrding Webber's performance. He simply can't carry a team for extended periods like Duncan and Garnett do. Additionally, Webber has made "vague" statements regarding the teams lack of mental toughness and yet rarley if ever has accepted any responsibilty for the his own poor play. His actions simply don't match his words.

Also, if someone is going to go 7 for 22 or 3 for 14 I'd hope that it would be Peja or Bibby.

i agree

 

[sloter]

Two major reasons why people boo Webber:
(1) He is a selfish player most of the time. He will pass if someone else is wide open, but he still takes the most shots on the court, although his FG% for a PF is dismal.
(2) Grande yapper.

 

[sloter]

I'm not a fan of booing. So, I can only speculate why people would boo Webber. Webber has the 4th highest salary in the league. Along with that go expectations(some unreasonable) reagrding Webber's performance. He simply can't carry a team for extended periods like Duncan and Garnett do. Additionally, Webber has made "vague" statements regarding the teams lack of mental toughness and yet rarley if ever has accepted any responsibilty for the his own poor play. His actions simply don't match his words.

Also, if someone is going to go 7 for 22 or 3 for 14 I'd hope that it would be Peja or Bibby.

Yep.

 

[zip95843]

dude, it's because Webber has so many other skills that can help the team even when his shooting is off. Peja can't pass and rebound like Webber. When Webber is having an off shooting night, he should use his other skills to get rebounds and assists. Webber is a great talent no doubt. When Rick took out Darius when Darius was playing awesome last night and brought Webber in to throw up bricks and go one on one, I was thinking......DOH!

I watched the tape last night, before RA brought Chris back Kings missed six straight shots and Rox made five straight. That's why RA felt he need a change.

 

[Kingsgurl]

(1) He is a selfish player most of the time.

Oh BS. He is second on the team in assists. One of only TWO big guys in the whole freaking league averaging over 5 assists per game. The other is Garnett.

 

[peja16]

Oh BS. He is second on the team in assists. One of only TWO big guys in the whole freaking league averaging over 5 assists per game. The other is Garnett.

If Brad Miller held the ball as long as Webber did, he would easily lead the team in assists.

And he woudl shoot a much higher percentage from that 'top of the key' jumper.

And there would be more off the ball movement.

And players not named Mike Bibby would be involved.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Well, how can I argue with that? I'm sure you know much more about running the offense then the coaching staff does.

 

[peja16]

That's a pretty convenient answer.

 

[Ryle]

If Brad Miller held the ball as long as Webber did, he would easily lead the team in assists.

And he woudl shoot a much higher percentage from that 'top of the key' jumper.

And there would be more off the ball movement.

And players not named Mike Bibby would be involved.

One problem is the reason Brad is open on ALOT of his jumpers is because of ball movement and the fact that Webb is running the offense. Brad is a good passer on set plays but he's not very good at creating.....Webb is.

 

[#1sacfan]

Oh BS. He is second on the team in assists. One of only TWO big guys in the whole freaking league averaging over 5 assists per game. The other is Garnett.

Its not hard to get 5 assists in a game when you hold it over 40% of the time during your teams possesion. By default you will get that many assists. However he still does make great passes but its an area with his skills where he could be much more effective.

 

[Kingsgurl]

I'm just not a big fan of the booing. I think it's counter-productive. Webb had a bad game, it happens. We didn't boo Bobby out of his shooting slump, wouldn't even, in fact, have thought about it. It's hipocritical and ignorant. It's also starting to tarnish the reputation of Kings fans. Best fans in basketball? That's become a thing of the past.

 

[KingKong]

I believe there are a culmination of factors why Webber gets booed. Firstly, fans expect more from Webber because he is the leader of the team whether you like to believe that or not. He is tremendously gifted and has the all round talent that makes him a star. Fans expect a KG and TD type performance from him night in and night out because frankly he is making TD and KG type cash, and while fans easily tend to forget that he is working his way back from a serious knee injury (which is a career ending injury most cases), he lacks that consistency at the moment.

For his talents he is paid an enormous salary (which I think he rightly deserves because of his early success with the Kings and he is a main cog in turning around the franchise). His large salary also makes him an easy target and a scapegoat, and when your highest paid star is injured for the most part this does not bode well with fans.

Couple all of this with his early return from injury last season that some believe "disrupted the chemistry" and the early success that the Kings acheived, and what you have is some boo birds always viewing Webber under the microscope for any vice or imperfections. Does Webber need to learn how not to force the issue at times and play within the team game?- ofcourse but all superstars tend to do this and as superstars they share the same plight and take the fall and all the criticism that comes with it. In Webber's case everything is magnified because of all the reasons stated above.

Let Webber work his way back from his injury, and don't boo him cos he is a part of our team and has been for 7 years. He is one of reasons we have come to enjoy watching the Kings over the last few years. Reserve the boos for the opposing teams. I hope fans can see that he is working hard to improve himself and regain his health so that he can better the team to put us in a postion to win a championship. Is that such a bad thing?

 

[peja16]

One problem is the reason Brad is open on ALOT of his jumpers is because of ball movement and the fact that Webb is running the offense. Brad is a good passer on set plays but he's not very good at creating.....Webb is.

Brad Miller's offense wasn't a problem with Vlade in there, and it's not as if Vlade was triple-team phenom.

Webber's team creating skills are overrated, or at least have been for the last 1.5 years. Double teaming him is a foolish idea, and everything he does is hard-earned. He's not the multi-pronged threat he once was.

A good strategy for an opponent would be to simply let Webber dominate the ball, give him single coverage, entice him to dribble and shoot, and let him do all the work. He will score, but at bad clip, and not utilize the abilities of teammates.

Webber at his individual best < Average Webber + an effective team.

Webber is better at creating for himself, Brad Miller is a better creating for others. I think option 2 is better.

 

[quick dog]

I think most of us who have been disappointed (sic, POed) about Webber in the past have gotten over it. He is trying to play hard and help the team, and he is indeed playing well and leading the team. He is doing his part now, and shutting his mouth. It's time for Kings fans to forget the past and support Webber. He actually is a nice person.

There are still a lot of fans who may never cut Webber any slack. I think some people feel empowered by hating others, or perhaps by being hyper-judgemental of strangers. That behavior, in itself, is really no big deal. Webber created his "fan monsters". People are not born that way.

I think Webber ought to finally be given the benefit of the doubt. He is playing well and behaving himself. I intend to cut him slack. Maybe other former Webber haters will also undergo similar attitude adjustments.

 

[sloter]

What I don't understand is that people seem to label booing itself as being not classy, or something that true fans shouldn't do. Well, that's just plain ignorant. If you had a mass murderer on your team would you boo him ? It's all relative and depends on why or who you're booing.
And it comes down to what quick dog is saying: Why some people hate Webber... but just because they do it and you don't it doesn't mean that they are a bunch of imbeciles...

 

[KingKong]

If you had a mass murderer on your team would you boo him ? It's all relative and depends on why or who you're booing.

Ahhh I see you point Sloter, Webber = mass murderer. Now everything makes perfect sense.

 

[peja16]

Ahhh I see you point Sloter, Webber = mass murderer. Now everything makes perfect sense.

Ladies and gentleman, crediblity just flew out the window.

 

[sloter]

Oh wow. I was just giving an illustration that booing is not always a bad thing. That's all. I thought you'd be able to figure that out yourself... (notice the conditional "IF you had a mass murderer...").

Let me try to state again what I was trying to say again:
Booing by itself is not necessarily bad, it is what people boo against that either justifies it or makes it wrong. I have heard people arguing that booing itself is bad, but noone argued whether what they boo against is good or bad.

 

[zip95843]

Peja16. There is a flaw in your logic. It's not backed up by facts. When you say Miller creates for others and Webber for himself I wonder what team I was watching for these several years...