Why the Kings won't win...

[VF21]

There's a good reason JVG is no longer coaching. People keep bringing up the same few names as though they and they alone are competent or have any potential. Here's the deal...sooner or later, people are gonna get tired of having only the same small pool of coaches to draw from. SOME of the assistant coaches are going to have to be promoted. Going that route may or may not be riskier than bringing in a retread, but the payoff on a successful gambit could carry a team for years.

 

[ParniValjak]

I agree with Brickie on this coaching issue. Avery and Flip would be the best choices available. Unfortuantly, it is highly unlikely that either of them would agree to coach Sacramento. Fact is we royally suck, we are losing money left right and centre, our owners are in cost cutting mode. If you are a Flip or Avery, your price is in the ballpark of $5million per season. Are Maloofs prepared to open up the purses for a proven, legitimate coach when they are years away from contending.

I fear we will end up with Eddie Jordan or some unproven assistant coach because we might not be prepared to pay for the quality. Flip and Avery both have their warts and in a different situation, I would look elsewhere but what we need at the moment is some stability, a proven coach whose record WILL demand respect from his players, the organisation AND the rest of the league.

We are not the laughing stock of the NBA and if we want to change that image, it needs to start with a coach.

 

[rainmaker]

I would love to get Avery in here. I think he is the best unemployed coach right now, and would be great for the young guys to learn under. I demands a lot from his players and really will put them on the bench if they don't produce. Flip doesn't excite me at all, and I think players in both detroit and minnesota quit on him.

After going from muss to theus to natt, the maloofs better not bring in a fourth consecutive unproven coach. We don't need a coach with rings, but we need one who will comand respect from day one.

 

[coolhandluke]

Oh yeah, let's roll the dice on another unproven coach. I mean, what do we have to lose, right?

 

[Warhawk]

Look, we have been trying a lot of the "budget" coaches recently (including our current coach) and has anyone been impressed with the results yet?

Anyone?

I'm not saying we are a 40 win team next year. But we have some good young pieces, and we have essentially 3 first-round picks (the second rounder is going to be within a couple picks of the last first-round pick). We should be able to get some decent talent, maybe even a decent FA. I think we need a coach that can start getting the team on track to winning again. I don't know if Shaw is that guy. Can't say one way or another. I would like to see someone who will command respect because he has proven he's a winner as a coach. I am tired of the coaching carousel.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I like Shaw too--fresh face, new guy on the job, currently an assistant coach for one of the better ran systems and better teams in the league, etc. I think he can relate to players well (did that during the Kobe/Shaq years) so he'll probably command respect from his players. But the coaching--it can go either way. We'll have to see about that, but it can be a gamble worth taking. If he starts losing games in succession because he doesn't get the most out of his talent, he doesn't especially run plays well, etc. then he will be canned. I remember when Terry Porter was our assistant coach for a time, became the young coach of the Bucks, made a solid first impression, but the next season he turned in a craptacular season and got canned. Being a new coach, I think there may be a bit of a rocky road for him so I don't expect him to start winning immediately, but he's definitely a guy who if things start clicking eventually can be a coach for a long time to come.

I actually want Tommy Thibodeau here--we need a proven defensive system, and we haven't been a good defensive team for a while. Ron Artest couldn't salvage us last year, and this year we had a string of games where we gave up like 120+ points. Thibodeau also comes from a winning system (Houston, Boston), has proven to be the architect behind those teams' defensive schemes, and will probably immediately increase our defense tenfold if he comes here. With Shaw, there's nothing tangible yet--being able to relate to players does not automatically translate to on-court success.

 

[VF21]

Tommy Thibodeau would be okay in my book, too. Either way, I think there are truly qualified assistants worth looking at that could take us through the dark forest and into the bright light without having to undergo yet another coaching change a couple of years down the road.

Having a good coach in place would be a major asset as Petrie assembles the pieces for the next TEAM.

 

[fnordius]

While this year's draft is definitely going to help, I'm still wondering whether we'll be ready for a traditional coach (such as the veteran coaches being discussed) next year. I want a coach who is going to focus almost completely on developing the skills and attitudes of our players. Someone who'd sit the vets simply because the vets don't need any more practice. I don't know how many big name coaches would be willing to do that -- if any. It kills their personal W-L record, which is always going to be the "at a glance" yardstick of success for a coach. At best, they'd have very mixed motives.

We need a head coach to manage things during games, and, if someone would go over to Natt and slap him around a little every time BJax or Nocioni got over 15 minutes of PT, I might even be able to live with him for another year. But I'd want the real power on the coaching team to lie with the guy we have in charge of player development. I don't remember who that is, at the moment, or if he's the right guy for the job, but... I'm thinking that we should probably treat next year as glorified DL play. Personnel changes could yet get me to change my mind, but that's how I'm leaning as of this moment. One early and one late pick, in a questionable draft year, is not enough to bring this franchise out of its rut.

 

[Kingster]

I like Brain Shaw. Thought we should have hired him instead of Reggie. But to somehow try to claim that hiring an assistant coach with zero games of NBA head coaching experience is less risky, or more of a sure route back to the top than hiring a coach who's already been to the top...that just doesn't compute. Flip Saunders has made the playoffs in 11 of the 13 years he has coached. He's coached 7 50 win teams (over half the years he's coached). Appeared in 4 Conference Finals. Its the Adelman situation all over again.

I like Shaw as well. I don't think the Kings have the bank for experienced ex-head coaches with fairly good reputations, so I'd rather look at Shaw or Thibodeau as realistic opitons. Because we are going to have a very young team, I'm particularly interested in coaches that have been successful in developing young talent. I think it's pretty amazing what Boston has done, for example, with their talent (I'm speaking of the younger guys). They seem to get every ounce of production possible from the talent that they have.

 

[rainmaker]

I like Shaw as well. I don't think the Kings have the bank for experienced ex-head coaches with fairly good reputations, so I'd rather look at Shaw or Thibodeau as realistic opitons. Because we are going to have a very young team, I'm particularly interested in coaches that have been successful in developing young talent. I think it's pretty amazing what Boston has done, for example, with their talent (I'm speaking of the younger guys). They seem to get every ounce of production possible from the talent that they have.

I also like both Shaw and Thibodeau, and think they will both be successful head coaches at some point. But do the kings really need another unproven coach, granted both of them have potential to be good?

What boston and portland have both done is pretty impressive regarding developing young guys. But that isn't the norm. I would rather have a coach with the resume and respect to step in here and make every player bust his butt on every night, and also has the ability to help his team make strides defensively.

 

[Kingster]

Bickerstaff

I also like both Shaw and Thibodeau, and think they will both be successful head coaches at some point. But do the kings really need another unproven coach, granted both of them have potential to be good?

What boston and portland have both done is pretty impressive regarding developing young guys. But that isn't the norm. I would rather have a coach with the resume and respect to step in here and make every player bust his butt on every night, and also has the ability to help his team make strides defensively.

The best ex-head coach out there is Bickerstaff. If he wants to coach for at least three years he would be by far the best in my opinion. He is excellent at developing talent. He did fantastic at Charlotte with a young and not all that talented team. When he left, they fell apart. The quesions are: 1) Does he want to coach again? and 2) if he does, would the Maloofs pay him enough to be interested?

 

[HighTopKicks]

I also like both Shaw and Thibodeau, and think they will both be successful head coaches at some point. But do the kings really need another unproven coach, granted both of them have potential to be good?

What boston and portland have both done is pretty impressive regarding developing young guys. But that isn't the norm. I would rather have a coach with the resume and respect to step in here and make every player bust his butt on every night, and also has the ability to help his team make strides defensively.

I read the "Unproven coach" phrase alot. Is a coach that has been a Head Coach but then got Fired, proven or unproven. If you did the job well once but failed at other times, does it mean your proven to be good or proven to be lucky?

Reggie was a NBA player and respected, and the first year it was assumed that the team over achieved because he got them ready to play hard every game. Since most college players don't enter the NBA with great defensive knowledge (because most college teams play zone), your "ability to help his team make strides defensively" statement really seems to have the highest impact.

This team doesn't know how to play defense. The 2 or 3 rookies that we are going to add to the team, probably won't be any better. Give us a Head Coach that can teach the kid's to play team defense together. Give him a long guarenteed contract, and let him do what he does best. He can always hire a top assistant with NBA head coaching experience, and/or a offensive assistant coach.

I'll take Thibodeau, he's Proven he can teach defense.

 

[Showtime]

Bump.

Good God, was this the Kings or the Golden State Warriors? I'm starting to think the 3 point shot is actually hurting the quality of the game.

 

[kingsnation]

Quality and this Kings team doesn't go together.

 

[VF21]

I'm confused. Why bother to bump this thread when there's really nothing new to say that hasn't already been said?

 

[Showtime]

I'm confused. Why bother to bump this thread when there's really nothing new to say that hasn't already been said?

I feel the same way about watching Kings games now.

 

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

Brian Shaw, No!!!!!! I'll hate it if you hire him as a coach, but I think it would be a good fit. He might not have coaching experience but he's been a Lakers assisant for a couple years . The impact might not happen instantly. It will take 2-3 years. He could be the stepping stone to revive the Kings. And therefore bringing back the good old days between lakers/kings.