Why are people so upset?

[gunks]

Jeeze.... It was a really ugly loss sure, but against Dallas on their homecourt. We were just victim #12 of their win streak.

I mean, if the Kings got embarassed by some crappy team (ie: any from the atlantic division) then I would understand the hubbub. But the Mavs are championship quality. We're firstround exit in the playoffs quality.

Bibbys hurt, once his wrist heals (woulda been weeks ago if he didnt play those first few games) his shot will come back and his TOs will go down. Artest didnt start because of his lingering back issues, and Miller is trying to ease back from a torn tendon.

And yeah, Muss did some pretty bad coaching last night, but he's done some good coaching in spurts too. Point is, its one game. I'm gonna save my judgement for when the season is over.

And to those who said they missed Rick: last time we played Dallas under him it was a 26 point loss (the Adelman Kings held the Mavs to ONLY 127 pts that game)...You guys have short memories.


I guess I'm just thinking its crazy that people are taking a road loss against a top team in this league (maybe THE top team in this league when its all said and done) as a sign that the Kings are headed towards getting a great chance at a very high draft pick. We cant win every game, especially not against Dallas. Try to find some good in the bad: Martin got his shot back (his one miss was halfway in too). Ok, I guess thats about it for the good...But hey, its ONE GAME.

Ah well, sign here if you are not a bandwagon fan.

 

[SacKings384]

It's a buildup of things. With Musselman in tow we thought there was going to be this defesnive team (as there was in the first few games of the season) and many are now realizing that it just isn't happening. Also, many are growing tired of the selfish iso ball the Kings are playing on offense, and the fact that Martin is not getting the ball like he should be. And last but certainly not least, many have become worried about Ron Artest's response to mediocrity that the Kings seem to have going on. And blowouts like this just bring all those problems to light. While I don't think anyone (well I guess there is one) is jumping off the Kings wagon, many are just expressing the frustration when all of those problems show up in one game, where it seemed like there was no effort from the get go.

 

[gunks]

Can you really blame it all on the coach though?

We dont have a frontcourt. Bibby isnt really a pass first PG and his shot is really bad right now...And not even Pop could coach some D into him. Artest is becoming a bit of a black hole...And still complaining about not getting enough touches.

That being said...I'm just as frustrated as the one on one as anyone. And yes, Martin needs a lot more touches and plays drawn up for him.

 

[SacKings384]

Can you really blame it all on the coach though?

We dont have a frontcourt. Bibby isnt really a pass first PG and his shot is really bad right now...And not even Pop could coach some D into him. Artest is becoming a bit of a black hole...And still complaining about not getting enough touches.

That being said...I'm just as frustrated as the one on one as anyone. And yes, Martin needs a lot more touches and plays drawn up for him.

While Musselman can not be held completely unaccountable, you are right the Kings just dont have the personnel. I think it's a wakeup call to those who didn't realize that.

 

[Honolulu Kings Fan]

Can you really blame it all on the coach though?

We dont have a frontcourt. Bibby isnt really a pass first PG and his shot is really bad right now...And not even Pop could coach some D into him. Artest is becoming a bit of a black hole...And still complaining about not getting enough touches.

That being said...I'm just as frustrated as the one on one as anyone. And yes, Martin needs a lot more touches and plays drawn up for him.

Yeah, I think you're right the problem isn't only Musselman. It's also Bibby for trying to be Allen Iverson while still injured, not knowing how to pass, and being a poor defender. And Artest for wanting to be the main offensive weapon.

I agree with what someone said on a different thread that Musselman needs to decide what each guy's role is on the team and tell them. We can't have two guys thinking they are the number 1 offensive option, while the actual #1 option is standing on the court in the corner.

 

[Jechtsphere]

The play last night was sickening to watch but I love my kings and always will, it hurts but I'll never stop being a fan.

 

[VF21]

I know why I'm upset. Bricklayer made an excellent comment in the Kings-Spurs game thread:

You know what I want to see?


Muss, quit ****ing around. I want to see this lineup start the game:

Brad
KT
Ron
Kevin
Bibby

I want to see all of them with the possible exception of KT playing 30+ min. I want to see two guys dominate the bench -- Reef + Salmons as our 6th + 7th. And I want us to regain our cohesion and sense of who/what we are. What the roles are. Who gets the minutes. Back to basics, win or lose.

We have to start seeing some semblance of order. Musselman is coaching like a chicken running around with its head cut off. He doesn't seem to know what he wants to do, what he wants the team to do or how he wants them to do it.

It appeared at times as though the players were so busy trying to remember what G714 or whatever particular play was, that they couldn't react to the flow of the game.

Yes, Dallas is good, very good. But the Kings at times made it way too easy for them.

And the finger has to point at Musselman first. It's his vision the team has to buy into and follow and if that isn't clear, nothing good can come of it.

 

[VF21]

I know why I'm upset. Bricklayer made an excellent comment in the Kings-Spurs game thread:

You know what I want to see?


Muss, quit ****ing around. I want to see this lineup start the game:

Brad
KT
Ron
Kevin
Bibby

I want to see all of them with the possible exception of KT playing 30+ min. I want to see two guys dominate the bench -- Reef + Salmons as our 6th + 7th. And I want us to regain our cohesion and sense of who/what we are. What the roles are. Who gets the minutes. Back to basics, win or lose.

We have to start seeing some semblance of order. Musselman is coaching like a chicken running around with its head cut off. He doesn't seem to know what he wants to do, what he wants the team to do or how he wants them to do it.

It appeared at times as though the players were so busy trying to remember what G714 or whatever particular play was, that they couldn't react to the flow of the game.

Yes, Dallas is good, very good. But the Kings at times made it way too easy for them.

And the finger has to point at Musselman first. It's his vision the team has to buy into and follow and if that isn't clear, nothing good can come of it.

 

[jay dubb]

The reason why people are so upset is b/c well the game was on national tv, your on a three game winning streak, and you are playing the Mavs so you think that the Kings would come out with alot of energy to show that they can play with the big boys, but instead they come out like they don't give a **** if they win or lose, and that's why I'm so pissed off. I mean come on atleast put up a fight, I could have cared less if we won or loss, b/c well the game was in Dallas so we probably were going to lose anyway, but hey if we win today everybody will be happy again.

 

[VF21]

You can't put up a fight if you're yanked from the game without rhyme or reason. If Musselman would quit playing musical chairs, the best players would know they're responsible. As it is now, our best guys are spending waaaaaay too much time on the bench while Musselman turns the massive pages of his playbook to try and find the perfect match for each and every situation.

 

[Troy]

You can't put up a fight if you're yanked from the game without rhyme or reason. If Musselman would quit playing musical chairs, the best players would know they're responsible. As it is now, our best guys are spending waaaaaay too much time on the bench while Musselman turns the massive pages of his playbook to try and find the perfect match for each and every situation.

I totally agree. We had the starting 5 NBrans mentioned for much of last season while SAR and Bonzi were hurt. We need to get back to this lineup and if KMart has a night where his shots don't fall, you have to trust in him and give him the confidence to find his shot. He is turning into a very good defender as well and with his height as the SG is a mismatch due to that height and his quickness and great shot. Salmons and SAR are good off the bench as is Cisco and Corliss in limited minutes. Price too should have his time, but the main guys need to play together. I know our lineup is pretty banged up, but not having KMart as your #1 option, playing 1 on 1 style offense and thus turning it over when you are double and triple teamed is not a plan. Sar does have good post moves, but he holds onto the ball way too long and then doesn't pass it when he is double and triple teamed. K9 to his credit is doing good at this and is turning into a pretty good passer and is rewarded by his work off the ball by Mike who find him for some easy hoops every game. K9 to his credit also has been playing some great Defense against the better PFs in the league being all of 6' 7"!

 

[BMiller52]

It's a buildup of things. With Musselman in tow we thought there was going to be this defesnive team (as there was in the first few games of the season) and many are now realizing that it just isn't happening. Also, many are growing tired of the selfish iso ball the Kings are playing on offense, and the fact that Martin is not getting the ball like he should be. And last but certainly not least, many have become worried about Ron Artest's response to mediocrity that the Kings seem to have going on. And blowouts like this just bring all those problems to light. While I don't think anyone (well I guess there is one) is jumping off the Kings wagon, many are just expressing the frustration when all of those problems show up in one game, where it seemed like there was no effort from the get go.

+1. That's exactly how I feel.

 

[gunks]

The defense is better then when Rick was here....Unfortunately the offense is much worse.

The problem the Kings are having with getting that defensive identity isnt with the coach but with the players. Of our starting five Artest is the only real defender. Bibby and Miller are baaaad at defense. Martin is getting better. KT is just too short to guard the other 4's in this league. And SAR seems to give less and less effort every game.

Unless Petrie pulls off some miraculous trade (Miller/Bibby for Okafor/Knight would make me happier then all the KG trades...But its equally as unlikely) this team is going to continue to be mediocre on defense.

And until Artest realizes that he's not a shooter or the teams #1 offensive option, Martin is going to continue to not get as many touches as he should and the Kings are still going to suck on offense.

I do agree that Muss is going a little crazy with the substitutions sometimes...Its like, the other end of the spectrum then what Rick did (or didnt do) with his substitutions.

But seriously...This team is one or two pieces away from being great again. We just need some bigs who can protect the basket, grab some boards, and dunk on people (do we lead the league in blown layups? It seems that way).

 

[Ryle]

Im just upset with the fact that Petrie seems blind to the fact that our frontline(specifically at the 4 & 5) is continuously outplayed because they are too small or they can't jump.

Can't wait to watch Tim Duncan simply reach over Kenny Thomas for a rebound tonight

 

[Bricklayer]

The defense is better then when Rick was here....

Actually, while I do not have the half season stats with Ron in front of me, I would ratehr bet that our defense post Ron trade last year with Rick as coach is better than our defense so far this year with Ron.

And I think there's a reason for that, and its not schemes. Its this: Rick was quietly a master of managing big egos. When Ron arrived Rick made him feel like the man, gave him the keys to the team, and let Ron dirve the team into a relative defensive frenzy. Rick didn't drive them, Ron did. But Ron did it with Rick's permission and with Rick realizing that it benefitted the team. Now contrast that with Muss -- Muss himself thinks defense more than Rick. Has more schemes, more traps, more tricks. But the problem is that its all about Muss. Very briefly in preseason and whatnot, guys were laying it out there for Muss. But that confidence has eroded, and because Muss never had the wisdom to hitch up to the Artest wagon and let Ron, not the coach, power the defensive effort + intensity, the defense is falling off. Guys apparently aren't lsitening to the coach as much, and the coach has not created the environment for them to listen to Ron. Hence Ron is not having the same spillover effect, and now he may be getting a little chippy.

Meanwhile I think Muss has also managed to somehow emasulate all three of our frontcourt players, Brad (minutes + won't let him settle in as an important piece), Kenny (role), Reef (not a center), and they didn't have much to cut off in the first place. He's also chopped Cisco of at the knees as well who provided some nice hustling defense during his hot streak last year.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Call me crazy but I'm not terribly upset because this is what I was expecting to start the season. When Muss came to the Warriors he tinkered around for quite a bit before settling down into more consistent schemes when the team really took off and got hot for a while. I expected plenty of tinkering for the first half of the season and then we'll probably see some roster moves to compliment whatever is working and not working.

I've always viewed this as a rebuilding year and even though our defense for the first few games gave me some hope I knew we'd be lucky to make the playoffs as anything better than a 7 or 8 seed.

We don't have a championship caliber team, we don't have a quality front line and there are going to be a few nights like this against the elite NBA teams.

 

[SacTownKid]

We aren't even 20 games into the season. I still think that Muss is doing his best to find out what players fit in. I think it's only a matter of time before we see some new faces on the Kings roster that fit in to what he wants to do.

 

[Packt]

Im just upset with the fact that Petrie seems blind to the fact that our frontline(specifically at the 4 & 5) is continuously outplayed because they are too small or they can't jump.

Can't wait to watch Tim Duncan simply reach over Kenny Thomas for a rebound tonight

There was one situation yesterday where Dampier and Kenny and maybe Reef were all going after a rebound and Dampier with his size was able to tap the ball in the air a few times until he was cleared enough to grab it. Kenny had really good position too, but against Dampier's length there wasn't anything he could do.

 

[atxrocker]

Ah well, sign here if you are not a bandwagon fan.

I didn't know being upset over a blowout loss categorized anybody as a bandwagon fan at all.

 

[Larry89]

We are upset because THE KINGS PLAYED LIKE ****

 

[kingsfan916]

really man i signed in and all these "sky is fallin threads" wtf?

 

[VF21]

Because it's always like that when the Kings lose more than one in a row?

It's normal nowadays for people to panic ... especially if they got too excited about a couple of wins.