Who the Kings should pick-up in free agency

[Cecil]

Nobody ... well ... until this crazyness stops.

I don't know what these other owners are thinking with the signings thus far. Lin for $30 million? Gordon and Hibbert for the max? Batum for 40 million? These max guys aren't superstars and the 30/40 million guys for 3 years aren't even all stars. The Nets are crazy for taking on Joe Johnson's salary, giving Wallace $40 million, and giving Deron Williams $100 million.

Right now the luxury tax is still a $1 for $1. Next year is another story ... these teams will not want to go over the salary cap .. the tax is too extreme. Also, if you go $1 over the salary cap, you miss out on the revenue sharing/taxes from the over teams. I was reading this on espn.com earlier ...

"
• 2011 CBA: Teams pay $1 for every $1 their salary is above the luxury-tax threshold in 2011-12 and 2012-13. Starting in 2012-13, teams pay an incremental tax that increases with every $5 million above the tax threshold ($1.50, $1.75, $2.50, $3.25, etc.). Teams that are repeat offenders (paying tax at least four out of the past five seasons) have a tax that is higher still -- $1 more at each increment ($2.50, $2.75, $3.50, $4.25, etc.).
• Who benefits? I'll tell you which teams don't benefit -- the perennial taxpayers, like the Lakers and Mavericks. When the league was unable to negotiate a hard cap, they settled for the next best thing -- a more punitive luxury tax that will make teams think twice before committing to a higher payroll. For example, the Lakers' tax bill in 2011 (when the tax was dollar-for-dollar) was about $19.9 million. Under the new system, being that far over the tax line would cost them $44.68 million. If they were a repeat offender (paying tax at least four of the previous five years) they would owe $64.58 million!"

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

Eventually, the owners are going to tell these General Managers to stop spending. That's when the Kings will have a chance. It's just not worth it right now. Just wait this crap out.

Also, the Kings can't amnesty any players. I mean .. they could ... but why? I was looking at the players they could amnesty (Garcia, Hayes, and Salmons). However, the Kings will need that salary to come off their books to resign Evans and Cousins. If they amnesty them and sign another player (Ryan Anderson for $9 or $10 million) they won't have the cap room to sign Evans and Cousins. The only player I would amnesty is Outlaw, but that's only $3 million of cap space.

So, I guess nothing is changing. Petrie really screwed it up last year with adding Salmons, Hayes, and Outlaw's contracts. If the Kings didn't have them, we could be signing a decent player. The crappy thing is he had to take on the contracts to get to the minimum salary cap.

This team needs talent. I don't want Petrie trading away our good players. Isaiah, Thorton, Evans, T-Rob, and Cousins. They are the only players that other teams would want. What could we get in return that matches salary? Not equal value. Well .. I could part with Isaiah if Salmons/Hayes is attached and we get an upgrade as PG (of course). I'm talking about straight up trade. I've read that many on here want to trade Thorton, but lets be honest .... he is the only one who can consistently shoot and more importantly shoot in the 4th quarter.

I don't know ... it's frustrating. The Kings are stuck this year due to other teams spending their cap space unwisely. Hopefully, things turn around in 2013 when these other teams will be screwed.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I was looking at the players they could amnesty (Garcia, Hayes, and Salmons). However, the Kings will need that salary to come off their books to resign Evans and Cousins. If they amnesty them and sign another player (Ryan Anderson for $9 or $10 million) they won't have the cap room to sign Evans and Cousins. The only player I would amnesty is Outlaw, but that's only $3 million of cap space.

Actually, neither Hayes nor Outlaw can be amnestied, because only players whose contracts were signed under the OLD CBA and are still with the team they were with when the new CBA was signed are eligible. That leaves Garcia and Salmons as reasonable amnesty candidates (and Whiteside, Tyreke and DeMarcus as legal but completely nonsensical amnesty-eligible players).

 

[Glenn]

It looks like the NBA learned a lesson. I read an article showing the effect of the luxury tax on different teams. It showed that the rich teams simply ignored it and won at a higher rate. So, as the intention of the luxury tax was to inhibit the rich teams and level the playing field, it did the opposite. We know some details about the income the Lakers have. It's incredible. They could pay luxury taxes without a worry.

Now it looks like there will be a point at which even the richest of teams will have to say uncle. I sure hope so but then we have a team that has Kobe, Pau, Ron Ron, Bynum and Nash and they have no monetary worries, we have to understand that the luxury tax doesn't really help us. We can't compete against that and as it seems the Lakers will dissolve in a few years it appears that they are willing to pay whatever it takes to get that last championship before Kobe retires. In his last year, Kobe will make $30 mil. The Lakers are not phased and at the same time we break into a sweat when a player wants or even intimates he might want $10 mil. Wow!

 

[Agent23]

Eric Gordon and Deron Williams are the only guys max worthy this year IMO.

 

[Bricklayer]

Eric Gordon and Deron Williams are the only guys max worthy this year IMO.

One does wonder what the hell Gordon did exactly to be worth the max. Have a good season for a losing team once? Apparently good enough anymore. Be real interesting in a couple of years when the harder cap kicks in to see how teams try to work around all these fugly long term contacts they have thrown around. Merely going into the luxury tax arean isn't nearly as enticing as it once was.

 

[bajaden]

One does wonder what the hell Gordon did exactly to be worth the max. Have a good season for a losing team once? Apparently good enough anymore. Be real interesting in a couple of years when the harder cap kicks in to see how teams try to work around all these fugly long term contacts they have thrown around. Merely going into the luxury tax arean isn't nearly as enticing as it once was.

I think some of these teams are digging themselves a big hole thats going to be hard to get out of. To be honest, some of the moves I've seen almost seem desparate. Mark Cuban is the only one that seems to have sense. Right now, he's refusing to overpay for anyone. The Lakers have serious financial penalities facing them in the future if they can't clear some of those salaries. And of course the Knicks are the Knicks. Their only plan is to sign every big star available, regardless of fit.

 

[hrdboild]

I think the Nets have already proven that the new CBA didn't change a thing (other than redistributing a little more money from the players to the owners).The NBA is turning into MLB. It's going to be New York, Los Angeles, and then everyone else. OKC is the last great hope of small markets everywhere but they built that team through the draft and may or may not be able to keep Ibaka and Harden past their rookie contracts.

I don't know ... it's frustrating. The Kings are stuck this year due to other teams spending their cap space unwisely. Hopefully, things turn around in 2013 when these other teams will be screwed.

That didn't prevent us from making a trade on draft night. It didn't force us to sell a pick for cash. It didn't prevent us from making a better offer for Lowry than Toronto did. We weren't going to go after DWill or Eric Gordon anyway. Portland and Houston are setting the market very high by bidding up non-star players but the reality is we had gobs of cap space last season and all we got was a backup C. All indications are that Geoff is going to continue to sit on his hands and wait no matter what the market contingencies are. I'm sure the Maloofs would approve of the spin you gave it, but I don't think that's really what the problem is.

 

[ParniValjak]

Eric Gordon and Deron Williams are the only guys max worthy this year IMO.

Eric Gordon @ $58 million over for years. That is an average of $14.5million per season which is almost double of what Thornton is getting paid. No doubt Gordon is a better player than MT but he sure the hell is not twice as good which is what his salary suggests.

Williams I can sort of see, though IMHO he is not a true superstar that you build a perennial contender around but he is elite and a superstar type player. No one else comes close in this free agent pool.

 

[Gilles]

Well, there's revenue sharing. I'm surprised that despite the fact it got into spotlight so much in december there's so little talk about it right now. Probably it's being calculated for the moment but I saw estimations that it could reach $16 million for this season so if Kings claim they got a few millions out of 10/11 season with $46 million in team salary, then adding those $10 million in sponsorship money raised by the mayor (this might be one time deal though - sorry I don't remember) and revenue sharing in theory Kings could probably profitably carry up to $70 million in team salary. I think we will finally get some numbers on Monday or Tuesday.
There's very interesting provision in the new CBA:
"If a team is profitable without revenue sharing, it receives a smaller or zero payment. Any payments from revenue sharing that would lead a team to have a profit over $10 million are eliminated.". So essentially Kings will only get a part of the revenue sharing they are "entitled to" if Kings' team salary is around the minimum.
Lakers had $89.8 milion in team salary in 11/12 season. They will pay around $40 million in lux tax (after 10/11 season it would've been around $18 million) and would've paid around $60 million if provision penalising teams paying luxury tax continuously was in play. Team salaries of $100+ that Knicks always carried in the middle of decade are gone for sure.

 

[ParniValjak]

Well, there's revenue sharing. I'm surprised that despite the fact it got into spotlight so much in december there's so little talk about it right now. Probably it's being calculated for the moment but I saw estimations that it could reach $16 million for this season so if Kings claim they got a few millions out of 10/11 season with $46 million in team salary, then adding those $10 million in sponsorship money raised by the mayor (this might be one time deal though - sorry I don't remember) and revenue sharing in theory Kings could probably profitably carry up to $70 million in team salary. I think we will finally get some numbers on Monday or Tuesday.
There's very interesting provision in the new CBA:
"If a team is profitable without revenue sharing, it receives a smaller or zero payment. Any payments from revenue sharing that would lead a team to have a profit over $10 million are eliminated.". So essentially Kings will only get a part of the revenue sharing they are "entitled to" if their salary is at the minimum and Kings' team salary is around the minimum.
Lakers had $89.8 milion in team salary in 11/12 season. They will pay around $40 million in lux tax (after 10/11 season it would've been around $18 million) and would've paid around $60 million if provision penalising teams paying luxury tax continuously was in play. Team salaries of $100+ that Knicks always carried in the middle of decade are gone for sure.

But Maloofs also need to make a living so spending more money on the team is not going to happen.

I find it depressing that the Lakers will pay $40 million in luxury tax for a single season and Maloofs back out of the Arena deal that would set them back some $77 million. Two seasons of Lakers luxury tax = new arena for the Kings in Sacramento

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

But Maloofs also need to make a living so spending more money on the team is not going to happen.

I find it depressing that the Lakers will pay $40 million in luxury tax for a single season and Maloofs back out of the Arena deal that would set them back some $77 million. Two seasons of Lakers luxury tax = new arena for the Kings in Sacramento

Interesting and sombering way to look at our situation.

 

[Gilles]

But Maloofs also need to make a living so spending more money on the team is not going to happen.

I find it depressing that the Lakers will pay $40 million in luxury tax for a single season and Maloofs back out of the Arena deal that would set them back some $77 million. Two seasons of Lakers luxury tax = new arena for the Kings in Sacramento

This makes "If a team is profitable without revenue sharing, it receives a smaller or zero payment. Any payments from revenue sharing that would lead a team to have a profit over $10 million are eliminated." provision much more important. Teams can't increase profit via revenue sharing but they can increase their expenses and still keep their little profit.

 

[Cecil]

I think the Nets have already proven that the new CBA didn't change a thing (other than redistributing a little more money from the players to the owners).The NBA is turning into MLB. It's going to be New York, Los Angeles, and then everyone else. OKC is the last great hope of small markets everywhere but they built that team through the draft and may or may not be able to keep Ibaka and Harden past their rookie contracts.



That didn't prevent us from making a trade on draft night. It didn't force us to sell a pick for cash. It didn't prevent us from making a better offer for Lowry than Toronto did. We weren't going to go after DWill or Eric Gordon anyway. Portland and Houston are setting the market very high by bidding up non-star players but the reality is we had gobs of cap space last season and all we got was a backup C. All indications are that Geoff is going to continue to sit on his hands and wait no matter what the market contingencies are. I'm sure the Maloofs would approve of the spin you gave it, but I don't think that's really what the problem is.

What spin? I was thinking about who the Kings should pick up this year to become better. After reading about all these players getting stupid contracts, I realized that I didn't want anyone until it all settles down. I was trying to play GM. I stated in my post that Petrie screwed it up last year by having to sign players to get to the new minumum salary. Trust me .. I wish the Maloofs had to TV contracts, sponsorships, and cash flow that the major market teams have. At the same time I understand why they are being cheap .. it's their money. I don't like it, but I understand. Crap .. I read that Prokhorov made 25 million yesterday in one day! I wish he owned the Kings. They aren't selling until they relocate the team and make a profit on selling the team. They won't make enough to sell it right now. The whole situation sucks.

Also, I blame that players just don't want to come to Sacramento. It's always been like that ... unless the team overpays. That didn't even work last year on Kirilenko and Jamal Crawford. It's just frustrating to me.

And please ... people need to stop complaining about selling the 2nd round pick. Once Draymond Green was taken by the Warriors, there wasn't anyone who was going to make this team. There is usually 2 to 3 players that actually become players in this league in the 2nd round. The Kings already have Honeycutt and Whiteside rotting on the bench ... and Whiteside looks like he is completely lost when he gets in a game in garbage time. Look at their roster ... there are 13 players if you count JT. You can only have 12 each game. Sitting three players each game in street clothes is the biggest waste of cap space. Unfortunately, as a King's fan ... you have to worry about stupid cap space.

Again, next year .. I bet that GMs stop making these overpaid salaries and the league becomes more conservative. Those large markets (other than Brooklyn) will start paying attention to the luxury tax when they pay $75 million in one year. They don't care now, because their sponsorships and TV contracts cover the luxury tax when it's $1 for $1.

 

[Glenn]

Cecil: yes!!! I think you may be more correct than people would like to believe. The teams who can absorb the luxury tax without batting an eyelash will continue to compete and in time, the have nots will continue to be have nots. New York, Brooklyn, LA, Boston and maybe a few others will simply shrug and continue on. These teams make a lot of money - obscene amounts of money. It isn't the billions that the owners have that propels them forward but the sponsors, luxury boxes, media contracts, and even the tickets cost far more than we can imagine. I don't keep up with ticket prices but 20 years ago front row seats at MSG went for $1000 per game. I doubt if they have fallen. And then the special Jack Nicholson seats are becoming popular. Jack doesn't care what he pays and we don't have fans with money like that.

I think the punishment that the new luxury tax structure and revenue sharing will make a great deal of difference except at the very top and I really can't complain too much. At least the NBA seems to be trying to bring as much parity to the league as possible. There will always be the idiot owners and GMs and the league can't protect them.

 

[Cecil]

Actually, neither Hayes nor Outlaw can be amnestied, because only players whose contracts were signed under the OLD CBA and are still with the team they were with when the new CBA was signed are eligible. That leaves Garcia and Salmons as reasonable amnesty candidates (and Whiteside, Tyreke and DeMarcus as legal but completely nonsensical amnesty-eligible players).

Oh-yeah. duh ... brain fart. Well, now there isn't anyone to amnesty; that makes sense.

 

[Section 101]

Cecil: yes!!! I think you may be more correct than people would like to believe. The teams who can absorb the luxury tax without batting an eyelash will continue to compete and in time, the have nots will continue to be have nots. New York, Brooklyn, LA, Boston and maybe a few others will simply shrug and continue on. These teams make a lot of money - obscene amounts of money. It isn't the billions that the owners have that propels them forward but the sponsors, luxury boxes, media contracts, and even the tickets cost far more than we can imagine. I don't keep up with ticket prices but 20 years ago front row seats at MSG went for $1000 per game. I doubt if they have fallen. And then the special Jack Nicholson seats are becoming popular. Jack doesn't care what he pays and we don't have fans with money like that.

I think the punishment that the new luxury tax structure and revenue sharing will make a great deal of difference except at the very top and I really can't complain too much. At least the NBA seems to be trying to bring as much parity to the league as possible. There will always be the idiot owners and GMs and the league can't protect them.

Next year is when alot of the restrictions take place for teams in the luxury tax. Like if they use the MLE they can't do sign and trades. They also have a hard cap they can't go over. Etc.

 

[Bricklayer]

There's very interesting provision in the new CBA:
"If a team is profitable without revenue sharing, it receives a smaller or zero payment. Any payments from revenue sharing that would lead a team to have a profit over $10 million are eliminated.". So essentially Kings will only get a part of the revenue sharing they are "entitled to" if Kings' team salary is around the minimum.

That is a clever little clause. Once would have called it the Sterling clause. Now alas its probably the Maloof clause. No using our profit sharing for huge profits, and up to a point, you might as well spend. Intersting too that those numbers might be released just before free agency opens. A broke ownership looking to make sure they get their $10 mil may find out exactly how much they can spend before it cuts into their profits just a couple of days before free agency actually opens. Might see some movement then.

 

[Cecil]

That is a clever little clause. Once would have called it the Sterling clause. Now alas its probably the Maloof clause. No using our profit sharinf foir huge profits, and up to a point, you might as well spend. Intersting too that those numbers might be released just before free agency opens. A broke ownership looking to make sure they get their $10 mil may find out exactly how much they can spend before it cuts into their profits just a couple of days before free agency actually opens. Might see some movement then.

Agreed.

 

[kingjatt]

The big market teams will always have a distinct advantage not only because they have much larger revenue streams but because the owners have more personal money than they know what to do with, ie jim buss, prokorhov, james dolan, etc. the tax bill for these teams in the upcoming years is going to be insane yet these guys dont really care, they want to win at all costs.

as much as the small market owners pushed for a hard cap they were backed into a corner, the players and big market owners were NOT going to let that happen so this crazy tax is basically shut up money for the small market guys.

As for mark cuban hes in a wierd situation, yeah hes rich himself, but the mavericks have lost money for over a decade despite having success and the longest sellout streak in the league due to being a mid market and not quite on the level of chicago, ny, la etc. he is the one owner who could afford the old tax, but not the new tax.

 

[Gilles]

Well, link to an article where the revenue sharing is expected to reach up to $16 million for Kings. And this with 50% of luxury tax paybacks switched off for this past season, which would give a hefty sum in excess of last year's $5.8 million.
Edit: Just to add the effects of the new CBA - Bulls have only Taxpayer MLE($3.09 million) to offer unless they waive two of Korver, Ronnie Brewer and CJ Watson.

 

[jdbraver]

Jarryd bayless anyone? Similar #s to IT but def a size advantage.

 

[Uncia03]

Next year is when alot of the restrictions take place for teams in the luxury tax. Like if they use the MLE they can't do sign and trades. They also have a hard cap they can't go over. Etc.

I just wanted to highlight this point again, especially when people are saying that the rich teams can just spend more money.

Starting next year teams that are 4 million over the Luxury tax will not be allowed to perform sign-and-trades. So the deal the Lakers made this year to get Steve Nash would not be allowed next year.
So if a player is coming off his contract and is a free-agent the only way a 4mil+ tax paying team would be able to acquire them would be for the mini-MLE which is around 3 million dollars.
That's going to do a lot to move players to other destinations.

Also tax paying teams have more restrictive guidelines when doing a straight trade. They can only bring back salary up to 125% of what they are sending out, while a non-tax paying team can bring back up to 150%.

I was hoping via negotiations that they would make that mini-MLE only be available every other year, but they dropped that at the very end. Still, I think that the biggest item brought in to stop teams from constantly bringing in good players while over the luxury tax is the elimination of sign-and-trades because that takes a lot of leverage away from the players and forces them to look elsewhere.

 

[hrdboild]

What spin? I was thinking about who the Kings should pick up this year to become better. After reading about all these players getting stupid contracts, I realized that I didn't want anyone until it all settles down. I was trying to play GM. I stated in my post that Petrie screwed it up last year by having to sign players to get to the new minumum salary. Trust me .. I wish the Maloofs had to TV contracts, sponsorships, and cash flow that the major market teams have. At the same time I understand why they are being cheap .. it's their money. I don't like it, but I understand. Crap .. I read that Prokhorov made 25 million yesterday in one day! I wish he owned the Kings. They aren't selling until they relocate the team and make a profit on selling the team. They won't make enough to sell it right now. The whole situation sucks.

Also, I blame that players just don't want to come to Sacramento. It's always been like that ... unless the team overpays. That didn't even work last year on Kirilenko and Jamal Crawford. It's just frustrating to me.

And please ... people need to stop complaining about selling the 2nd round pick. Once Draymond Green was taken by the Warriors, there wasn't anyone who was going to make this team. There is usually 2 to 3 players that actually become players in this league in the 2nd round. The Kings already have Honeycutt and Whiteside rotting on the bench ... and Whiteside looks like he is completely lost when he gets in a game in garbage time. Look at their roster ... there are 13 players if you count JT. You can only have 12 each game. Sitting three players each game in street clothes is the biggest waste of cap space. Unfortunately, as a King's fan ... you have to worry about stupid cap space.

Again, next year .. I bet that GMs stop making these overpaid salaries and the league becomes more conservative. Those large markets (other than Brooklyn) will start paying attention to the luxury tax when they pay $75 million in one year. They don't care now, because their sponsorships and TV contracts cover the luxury tax when it's $1 for $1.

I'm sure you didn't intend it this way, but you're just giving the Maloofs another excuse not to spend money. The price of competing for free agents goes up every year. No I don't think we should sign a contract we're immediately going to regret, but there are 30 teams in the league. If you want to get a good player to come to your team than you have to pay them the going rate. If you're waiting for a bargain deal every off-season than you're never going to sign anyone. The whole point of revenue sharing is to allow the smaller market teams to increase their payroll, not to pocket the profits.

This is why I typically make myself scarce this time of year. I hardly ever post here between July and October because I get more and more negative by the day. I don't think we've had a good off-season in 10 years. Here's a little refresher course in Geoff's off-season brilliance: [Transaction History]. Everything between June and October reads like a horror story. Anthony Peeler, Tony Massenberg, Greg Ostertag, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Loren Woods, Mikki Moore, Sean May, Desmond Mason. Heaven forbid we overpay a little for a player who's actually, you know, good. The last off-season move I remember liking was the Bonzi Wells trade and that was in 2005. All season we discuss ways to make the team better and then the off-season actually comes and nothing. So the boulder goes back down to the bottom of the hill and we get to start the process over. But there's no sense dwelling in it. There's better things to do than track our lack of progress day-to-day. I'll be back in October to cheer for our guys.

 

[Cecil]

I'm sure you didn't intend it this way, but you're just giving the Maloofs another excuse not to spend money. The price of competing for free agents goes up every year. No I don't think we should sign a contract we're immediately going to regret, but there are 30 teams in the league. If you want to get a good player to come to your team than you have to pay them the going rate. If you're waiting for a bargain deal every off-season than you're never going to sign anyone. The whole point of revenue sharing is to allow the smaller market teams to increase their payroll, not to pocket the profits.

This is why I typically make myself scarce this time of year. I hardly ever post here between July and October because I get more and more negative by the day. I don't think we've had a good off-season in 10 years. Here's a little refresher course in Geoff's off-season brilliance: [Transaction History]. Everything between June and October reads like a horror story. Anthony Peeler, Tony Massenberg, Greg Ostertag, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Loren Woods, Mikki Moore, Sean May, Desmond Mason. Heaven forbid we overpay a little for a player who's actually, you know, good. The last off-season move I remember liking was the Bonzi Wells trade and that was in 2005. All season we discuss ways to make the team better and then the off-season actually comes and nothing. So the boulder goes back down to the bottom of the hill and we get to start the process over. But there's no sense dwelling in it. There's better things to do than track our lack of progress day-to-day. I'll be back in October to cheer for our guys.

So who would you go after this year? These are bad deals. I'd rather wait until all this stupid stuff stops and then find someone at a reasonable. Pretty soon T-Wolves, Portand, Houston, and others won't have anymore money to spend.

Petrie had one glaringly bad off season in my opinion. Last year ... it was a disaster. He definitely didn't make all good moves, but no GM does. You also left out trading for Chris Webber, Mike Bibby, Ron Artest, Marcus Thorton, Doug Christie, and Brad Miller. There have been bad trades and good trades, you have to admit that. Petrie's skill is definitely drafting rather than trading, though.

You are frustrated that they aren't signing free agents. Pretend you are the GM and you need to field a team within the salary cap and try to make the playoffs. Also, you need to have enough space to sign Evans and Cousins in the next two years. It makes it tricky. So, what would you do? I put myself in the situation and decided that Petrie should wait and not overpay for these players..

 

[hrdboild]

So who would you go after this year? These are bad deals. I'd rather wait until all this stupid stuff stops and then find someone at a reasonable. Pretty soon T-Wolves, Portand, Houston, and others won't have anymore money to spend.

Petrie had one glaringly bad off season in my opinion. Last year ... it was a disaster. He definitely didn't make all good moves, but no GM does. You also left out trading for Chris Webber, Mike Bibby, Ron Artest, Marcus Thorton, Doug Christie, and Brad Miller. There have been bad trades and good trades, you have to admit that. Petrie's skill is definitely drafting rather than trading, though.

You are frustrated that they aren't signing free agents. Pretend you are the GM and you need to field a team within the salary cap and try to make the playoffs. Also, you need to have enough space to sign Evans and Cousins in the next two years. It makes it tricky. So, what would you do? I put myself in the situation and decided that Petrie should wait and not overpay for these players..

You're right, if we wait than all the big spenders will have no more money to spend and we can swoop in and pick up...who exactly? All the top free agents have already been signed. Sure they got more money than they probably deserve based on past performance, but there's very little supply of top notch players and a lot of demand. At this point our own free agents are as good as anyone else left on the market and for a team that won only 22 games last year (in a shortened season, but even so), that's pretty depressing.

I've already talked myself to death about this. If you really want to know what I would do, look up some of my old posts. I have nothing new to add to the topic. Of the players you mentioned, the only one of those players that came to the Kings in an off-season within the last 10 years was Brad Miller. Deadline deals and solid draft picks have kept this franchise just relevant enough to believe we have a shot at getting better but those moves aside, the off-season transactions have been almost universally terrible. And I'm not talking about pre-2002 when Geoff earned his two executive of the year awards. I specifically said 10 years. And 10 years is a long time to be bad at something.

I have no hope left when it comes to this team and the off-season. I'm worn out. I've sat here and listened to Geoff talk up the Greg Ostertags and Courtney Alexanders of the NBA like they're actually going to help us win games time and time again and the result is always the same. If you actually want to sign somebody worth signing than you have to do it right now, in the first 2 weeks, and you probably have to overpay. Waiting out the storm is exactly what Geoff always does. Inflation makes the numbers look bigger now, but contracts are always this ridiculous for desirable players. You're fooling yourself if you think we're even in the game.

 

[Jkbiker]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...s-chicago--20120710,0,6689031.story?track=rss

The deadline for Bulls options on Ronnie Brewer's $4.37 million and C.J. Watson's $3.2 million salaries has arrived. A decision on Kyle Korver's $5 million option is due by Sunday.
Because of his shooting specialty, Korver has a slim chance to return and hasn't been told definitively either way. Sources said the Bulls are exploring sign-and-trade possibilities for all three players in an attempt to avoid losing assets for nothing




so looks like Bulls looking for a sign and trade to get something for Korver last few days before deadline expires for a 5 mil extension?

What would they want? Pick? Jimmer?

 

[Bricklayer]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...s-chicago--20120710,0,6689031.story?track=rss

The deadline for Bulls options on Ronnie Brewer's $4.37 million and C.J. Watson's $3.2 million salaries has arrived. A decision on Kyle Korver's $5 million option is due by Sunday.
Because of his shooting specialty, Korver has a slim chance to return and hasn't been told definitively either way. Sources said the Bulls are exploring sign-and-trade possibilities for all three players in an attempt to avoid losing assets for nothing




so looks like Bulls looking for a sign and trade to get something for Korver last few days before deadline expires for a 5 mil extension?

What would they want? Pick? Jimmer?

I have said we should be interested in Korver, but if you do that its imperative, just imperative, that you somehow clear the clutter of worthless bodies at that position that are already here, or you just know that Smart's rotations will go something like Salmons 6 min, Korver 6min, Outlaw 3min, Salmons 2min, Cisco 7min to close half, Korver starts second half for 5 min, Salmons for 5min, Outlaw...

Used to be a term "slow boat to china" we need to put some people on it. Make TWill a starter maybe. Korver the backup. Cisco can wave pompons and be called upon if needed. I don't even want anybody else in the building. Have said for years with our franchise if the coach can't coach you have to coach for him via your roster decisions. Leave him no bad choices to make.

 

[Glenn]

Or we could have someone shanghai the same players, never to be seen again.

 

[Jkbiker]

I have said we should be interested in Korver, but if you do that its imperative, just imperative, that you somehow clear the clutter of worthless bodies at that position that are already here, or you just know that Smart's rotations will go something like Salmons 6 min, Korver 6min, Outlaw 3min, Salmons 2min, Cisco 7min to close half, Korver starts second half for 5 min, Salmons for 5min, Outlaw...

Used to be a term "slow boat to china" we need to put some people on it. Make TWill a starter maybe. Korver the backup. Cisco can wave pompons and be called upon if needed. I don't even want anybody else in the building. Have said for years with our franchise if the coach can't coach you have to coach for him via your roster decisions. Leave him no bad choices to make.

Again I would think if we got Korver , you would not add Twill also, then you play the two best SF's, probably Korver and salmons
Then Outlaw,Garcia,Honeycutt would be on the bench

If we were willing to sign TWill without moving any existing SF (still may be our last move) why not add Korver instead of TWill?

 

[bajaden]

So who would you go after this year? These are bad deals. I'd rather wait until all this stupid stuff stops and then find someone at a reasonable. Pretty soon T-Wolves, Portand, Houston, and others won't have anymore money to spend.

Petrie had one glaringly bad off season in my opinion. Last year ... it was a disaster. He definitely didn't make all good moves, but no GM does. You also left out trading for Chris Webber, Mike Bibby, Ron Artest, Marcus Thorton, Doug Christie, and Brad Miller. There have been bad trades and good trades, you have to admit that. Petrie's skill is definitely drafting rather than trading, though.

You are frustrated that they aren't signing free agents. Pretend you are the GM and you need to field a team within the salary cap and try to make the playoffs. Also, you need to have enough space to sign Evans and Cousins in the next two years. It makes it tricky. So, what would you do? I put myself in the situation and decided that Petrie should wait and not overpay for these players..

He also signed Vlade, Jon Barry, Bobby Jackson, Mad Max, Jim Jackson, etc.