Who is the most valuable player to the Kings futur player not named Evans or Cousins?

Who is the most valuable player to the Kings futur player not named Evans or Cousins


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#31
Casspi and .... Jetter

Casspi because his fire and energy, But I don't forget Jetter. Although he's short, he arrouse fire and contribute greatly to the group playing (as a group). Since coach started to put him in, a lot of things have happened and mostly - The will of the group to play (and win) as a group.

So Casspi is my choice, Yet, Jetter is a crucial part also.
 
#32
Absolutely right! Casspi and many others in the team expect some consistency from the coach. like Dire Straigt Song - The bug


well it's a strange old game - you learn it slow
one step forward and it's back to go
you're standing on the throttle
you're standing on the breaks
in the groove 'til you make a mistake

sometimes you're the windshield
sometimes you're the bug
sometimes it all comes together baby
sometimes you're a fool in love
sometimes you're the louisville slugger
sometimes you're the ball
sometimes it all comes together baby
sometimes you're going to lose it all

you gotta know happy - you gotta know glad
because you're gonna know lonely
and you're gonna know bad
when you're rippin' and a ridin'
and you're coming on strong
you start slippin' and slidin'
and it all goes wrong because

sometimes you're the windshield
sometimes you're the bug
sometimes it all comes together baby
sometimes you're a fool in love
sometimes you're the louisville slugger baby
sometimes you're the ball
sometimes it all comes together baby
sometimes you're going to lose it all

one day you got the glory
one day you got none
one day you're a diamond
and then you're a stone
everything can change
in the blink of an eye
so let the good times roll
before we say goodbye, because

sometimes you're the windshield
sometimes you're the bug
sometimes it all comes together baby
sometimes you're a fool in love
sometimes you're the louisville slugger baby
sometimes you're the ball
sometimes it all comes together baby
sometimes you're going to lose it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og-RnrywGXU
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#33
I vote Omri. He has the potential to be our best 3 point shooter down the line (if he isnt already), he's scrappy, and he's a pretty good rebounder for a SF. Defense is meh, but I've noticed a bit of improvement.

I've never been high on Greene. He seems like a funny, cool guy. But being funny doesnt win basketball games. He doesnt seem to do anything on the court. He cant hit shots, he is a terrible rebounder for his size, and his D is overrated. He has great size/athleticism, but I dont think he'll ever put it together. Not that I wont be happy if he proves me wrong, I just dont see it.

JT is someone I had high hopes for, but I think his ceiling is pretty much reached at this point. Hopefully he can settle down and maybe be a more consistant 14/8.5 guy for us, that would be awesome...Still one of my favorite players though, I think because he was the first guy we got who actually rebounded the ball since Webber.
 
#34
Garcia. For his dam leadership. The team would be an absolute mockery if it wasnt for cisco, who knows how the youngsters would have reacted to our miserable start without someone to guide them. Dam you could argue that currently hes our most important player over reke and boogie for what he brings off the court.




http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/04/3297328/ailene-voisin-garcias-leadership.html

They don't even know what to call Francisco García anymore. Older brother. Resident shrink. Head cheerleader. The man who sticks their faces in the mirror. The after-hours coach who prods them away from the pubs and into the Kings' practice facility, sometimes into the wee hours.

"Cisco, man, we would be lost without Cisco," second-year forward Omri Casspi said. "He's a brother to me. You can turn to him about anything, and he tells you straight. He has helped me with so many things, made me a better teammate."

This is usually how it happens. Leaders emerge. They aren't anointed. While García has been a significant presence in the locker room the past few seasons, his influence has never been more appreciated than in these past several weeks.

On any given night during the Kings' early-season skid, the sixth-year pro has done the following: Coaxed teammates out of funks. Scolded teammates for overreacting to fouls. Prodded teammates into the huddle. Barked at teammates to pass the ball. And though he stands only 6-foot-7 and weighs 195 pounds, the oldest (30) and longest-tenured King isn't afraid of anyone. He stretches up onto his toes, gets up onto the soapbox, and goes face to face with beefy, 6-11 rookie DeMarcus Cousins.

"Cisco has done everything to me," Cousins said with a grin. "He yells at me, tells me to calm down, doesn't want me throwing my headband. He can motivate me, get me mad as well. But he knows what it's like, too, because he used to have a real temper, and he's been there for good and bad times. We listen to him."

Undoubtedly, García inherited a tough job. This isn't affable Vlade Divac presiding over a veteran locker room with championship-caliber talent. Many of the current Kings should be prepping for an English Lit exam. Most are still learning how to set an alarm clock. And all are discovering that rebuilding a franchise from the ground floor can be a long, tedious, erratic process.

Roles are ill-defined. Lineups and rotations fluctuate. Auditions are conducted nightly. Trade chatter is a constant. Working for the Kings right now is like playing dodge ball at the local YMCA; you want to avoid the hit while distinguishing yourself and earning more minutes on the court.

"Did I know what I was getting into?" García said, laughing. He shakes his head. "How could I?"

The feisty, but unfailingly good-natured native of the Dominican Republic has endured his own trials. Remember when a swaggering young Cisco would yank his jersey out of his shorts and smirk when the refs weren't looking? How many times did Geoff Petrie lecture about macho behavior, only to see the stunt repeated during the following game?

"I was pretty bad," García admitted with a grin. "I was just young. That's what I try to tell these guys. Keep listening, and keep working."

García has always been a worker. This is a gym rat. His late-night visits to the practice facility have added more than a few bucks to the Kings' electric bills. No, his issues are lousy timing and bad luck. Who breaks a forearm and damages a wrist in a freak weightlifting session that forces him to miss the first 52 games last season?

Right. Lousy timing. Bad luck. But as García demonstrated in Sunday's victory over the Phoenix Suns, he has reemerged as a versatile blend player who can rebound (11) and defend multiple positions (three blocks). He is also the club's most consistent long-range shooter and one of the few Kings who intuitively makes the extra pass. While most of his teammates initiate scoring opportunities off the dribble – and mostly for themselves – Cisco will catch and shoot, or catch and pass, moving the defenses and providing angles and open looks.

And then, like he says, his additional duties persist into the night. For effect, he grabs his cell phone and points to a list of phone numbers. Donté Greene played few minutes Sunday and needed a call. Casspi (good game) needed a slap on the back. Tyreke Evans struggled again (sore foot) and needed some encouragement. Pooh Jeter (four assists) needed another one-on-one session in the practice facility.

García shrugged, then grinned. He's just happy to have a job.
 
#35
Yea, Cisco's leadership is definitely undervalued around here. With the coach MIA as a leader, I don't want to imagine what this team would look like without Cisco.
 
#36
Cisco's leadership is not under-valued by me. I like Cisco very much for reason. I also think the Kings oranization values that in Cisco. If you asked me who was most imprtant to the Kings more immediate future, I might very well have picked Cisco. If the Kings really do become a very good team in the next few years, I really hope Cisco is still here to enjoy it. He certainly would deserve that.
 
#37
I still see Casspi as our new Peja in a few years.... But something noted earlier on Grant's show; While it's great having Cisco as a leader, its even better to have him on the floor doing the leading like in the past few games. Having him start and out there with the rooks preaching is more effective and easier to influence than when sitting on the bench cheering...
 
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LWP777

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#39
This thread proves what I've been saying all year -- after Evans and Cousins, the roster is filled with pure garbage!
 
#41
I'm not sure of the consistent thing -- a week ago half the board would have voted a different way.

I think we need to ban the word "consistent" entirely from use regarding this Kings team. The only thing any of them have been is consistently inconcistent, and that includes the coach.
You're right. Casspi by default.

Rereading my Greene "waddle" post above, it occurs to me that, put it all together, it's no wonder we haven't done anything as a team to start the season. Greene, fat and slow, Evans, over weight and not quick, Dalembert, injuted, no training camp, out of shape, Cousins, over weight, winded, needing rest, Landry, out of sorts until recently, Casspi, coming off a last year having pooped out and needing rehab. We just need to write off this first part of the season and hope for a .400 average for the rest of the way.

The Sacramento Waddles of the NBA.
 
#42
Not enough love for Whiteside to even make the list, eh?

I'm not sure who I think would be the answer to this question. I've seen a lot of potential in Casspi and Greene, but I don't feel like my questions about either of them are resolved, particularly when it comes to attitude (and consistency, which I think is related).

I also hold a lot of hope for Whiteside, because he has the potential to be a very complementary match with Cousins. Favors would be better, yes, but Whiteside's already ours, and lets us save our shot at a needed guard in the draft.

Garcia's a positive influence, but I don't see him as a starter or our 6th man three years down the road. Like JT and Pooh, his career is far enough along that I think what we see is what we get, and he ain't getting any younger.
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#44
If you're talking about this year, then Beno has got to be the guy. It's been bad enough, but without him it would get horribly bad. He's been the most consistent player on this team. The glue.

As far as the future, then Casspi would get the nod. But he hasn't passed the test of time. He hasn't even had one whole good season yet. I'd at least like for him to spend the offseason not playing in Israel and instead diligently work on his game to become a better King.
 
#46
It's hard to really have an opinion on him or his importance when we haven't even seen him play and NBA game.
Agreed, but it's also hard to get a read on some of the others, too! Like Casspi, who 4/5 of the board wanted to throw under the bus as hopelessly selfish, through most of July-Oct. I was one of exceedingly few voices who thought he might yet end up as the better choice. About 3 weeks ago, you said about Greene and Casspi:
My opinion on this changes almost daily (with Thompson, too). It's nearly impossible to get a good read on guys as inconsistent as they are. And their sporadic playing time doesn't help either.
And yet now he's our third option? Already?

It is hard to reach many conclusions about Whiteside, but I think that applies to most of the younger members of the team. I'm no more ready to proclaim Casspi the clear winner now, than I was ready to call him a ballhogging scrub during the summer.

(In case anyone's interested, here's Whiteside's NBDL stats per 48 minutes:
20.4 points on 51% shooting
sucks at the charity stripe (41%)
12.6 rebounds
10 blocks :-0
4.3 assists

Of course this won't translate to his next game in the actual NBA, but I still find it interesting.)
 
#47
And yet now he's our third option? Already?
The thread title refers to The Kings' future, not the present. Beno or Garcia are probably their best 3rd option right now but down the road, 2, 3, 4 seasons from now, I think it will end up being Casspi.
 

hrdboild

Moloch in whom I dream Angels!
Staff member
#48
Whiteside and Greene are still in the mix as a potential third option in the future because they're very young and very talented. Right now it looks like Casspi because he's on another one of his three point shooting hot streaks. As quick as he gets that shot off and as well as he's shot it as a rookie (at times) and as a second year player (at times) there's a lot of hope for the future that he'll be a deadly long-range specialist which is hugely important to any team. Doubly so with Evans and Cousins who can both draw double teams in the post on a nightly basis.

Greene has great potential as a lockdown defender and maybe as a two way player as well if he could find the offensive game he had before he got to the NBA, but he's got a long way to go right now and there's some reason to question his work ethic. I'm always impressed with his defense when he gets to play though, and that'll make him an important part of the rotation in the future even if he can't score reliably. And Whiteside has yet to play in the NBA so there's just nothing to go on at the moment. The answer to this question is going to continue to change on a month by month basis I suspect.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#50
I think it's pretty clear that it would be Casspi. Beno might not even be a part of our future, he wouldn't be bad as a backup but other than that we will have to wait and see.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#52
If you're talking about this year, then Beno has got to be the guy. It's been bad enough, but without him it would get horribly bad. He's been the most consistent player on this team. The glue.

As far as the future, then Casspi would get the nod. But he hasn't passed the test of time. He hasn't even had one whole good season yet. I'd at least like for him to spend the offseason not playing in Israel and instead diligently work on his game to become a better King.
In Omri's defense, he spent 4 weeks working on his game with a caoch in Vegas before summer league, and then played in that. After playing for Israel, he went straight back to Vegas for 2-3 weeks and worked with the same coach on his game. I fully expect him to play in the Euro Championships next summer, because they're a big deal in europe, and think the experience will be good for him. It's a high level of basketball. If the rest of the summer is structured around the kings and working on his game like last summer was, I don't have much of a problem with it.
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#53
In Omri's defense, he spent 4 weeks working on his game with a caoch in Vegas before summer league, and then played in that. After playing for Israel, he went straight back to Vegas for 2-3 weeks and worked with the same coach on his game. I fully expect him to play in the Euro Championships next summer, because they're a big deal in europe, and think the experience will be good for him. It's a high level of basketball. If the rest of the summer is structured around the kings and working on his game like last summer was, I don't have much of a problem with it.
Let's just hope that what happened to Beaubois at Dallas doesn't happen to Casspi. To me, there are far greater disadvantages to foreign guys playing in the summer than advantages.
 
#54
Omri is one of the most improving players in the team. He hasn't reached yet his potential so TMHO they should not trade him. They still don't know what he's capable of. One thing we know for sure, He makes huge efforts to improve himself in all aspects of the game. You can take example from Larry Bird who was phenomenal player not only for his talent but especially for his huge hard labour in training.