Who do you want the Kings to Draft at #6?

Who do you want the Kings to Draft at #6?


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OK so that Landry/Mclemore lover is in Denver.

Trade Landry, Mclemore, McCallum for Faried. Draft WCS at 6, throw every available dollar at Wes Mathews, bring back Andre Miller as back up PG, Moreland as the 5th big, Casspi as back up SF and Faried is 6th man

Landry - 6.75
Mclemore - 3.15
McCallum - 950K

10.85MM

Faried - 11.2


Collison/Miller/Stockton
Mathews/Stauskas
Gay/Cassipi
WCS/Faried/Moreland
Cousins/JT

We just need some roster filler after that. I think that team wins 45+ games. Capn', does this work?

EDIT: Also, in this situation, what is the most we can throw at Mathews?
 
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And who do you think we'd be able to sign as sg if we took on Lawson and faried, let alone all of the other pieces we would need to fill with no money to fill them?

No idea.. I don't even like any of the FA SGs this year which is why I included "trade for a SG" in the statement. We could probably find a SG that can do pretty much what McLemore does in the DLeague. You can't really get much lower than "one of the worst starting SGs in the league" so I guess improving on that is something to shoot for if you're DLeaguer who got the SG job in Sac?
 
Manny doesn't have quickness of Wall.

And Stan struggles with speedy guys - simply not agile enough, so he will likely be effective at defending SFs only. He also doesn't have solid post game. Leonard is long with solid base and Draymond is thick, while Stanley is all upper body.



And once again Mclemore had the highest +/- after Boogie largely based on his defensive impact (in comparison, of course, to other guards on the team).

Last season:
Boogie w/o Ben, 906 possessions - 1.029 PPP/1.121 PPP against
Ben w/o Boogie, 2190 possessions - 1.048 PPP/1.129 PPP against
Both, 3045 possessions - 1.078 PPP/1.039 PPP against

This notion, that Mclemore was a drag to this team just like half the roster needs to go away. Yes, there is a couple of wings, who would be available this summer, that you can slot at SG and get clearly better production, there's also a few more, who will likely be better. But that doesn't account for another summer of improvement. Ben doesn't cover for others/make them better defensively, but he contributes his share on D, once he grasps the system.

Chandler is on the slower side for SFs. No way you can put him at 2, unles he completely re-works his body.


I don't buy into that stat because who are the other three people on the floor and what do they contribute? I will stay on the "McLemore isn't very good" train for now. I think two years is enough for him to show what he has. He's never jumped out at me as being anything other than average at best. He shouldn't be starting, and should probably be a 10th-12th player at best on most teams.
 
If we are to believe Ham and Bruski, PDA had little to do with drafting Mclemore.

Ham could stand in front of me and tell me he has a Y chromosome and I wouldn't believe him. Brewski, in matters not relating to IT, tends to be pretty solid I think.
 
OK so that Landry/Mclemore lover is in Denver.

Trade Landry, Mclemore, McCallum for Faried. Draft WCS at 6, throw every available dollar at Wes Mathews, bring back Andre Miller as back up PG, Moreland as the 5th big, Casspi as back up SF and Faried is 6th man

Landry - 6.75
Mclemore - 3.15
McCallum - 950K

10.85MM

Faried - 11.2


Collison/Miller/Stockton
Mathews/Stauskas
Gay/Cassipi
WCS/Faried/Moreland
Cousins/JT

We just need some roster filler after that. I think that team wins 45+ games. Capn', does this work?

EDIT: Also, in this situation, what is the most we can throw at Mathews?

Faried isn't getting traded for that deal. Max for matthews is 16.7mill. After the draft pick and we waive landry we can offer him 13mill.
 
And who do you think we'd be able to sign as sg if we took on Lawson and faried, let alone all of the other pieces we would need to fill with no money to fill them?
I agree if you have Lawson, Gay, Faried, Cousins, you can afford to have young improving player. I mean he was better in his second year than his first. Why all of a sudden at 21 is he at his ceiling? Ppl around here clamor every year over the draft but if the player isn't an all star by year two they want him gone.
 
I'm pretty much winding down my assessment of the talent and I think these will be our options in order of possibility of happening.

1. Draft Emmanuel Mudiaye if he falls to 6. Plain and simple you have to take him if he's there at 6, he could end up being one of the top 2 or 3 best players in this draft when its all said and done. At worst he is Tyreke Evans, at best maybe a mix of Tyreke and John Wall. Also he is not a project, he will be able to contribute right away, physically he is as ready as any player in the draft, and his game, early on at least, will mainly involve him pushing the pace and attacking the defense. He should be able to back up Collison or play alongside him for stretches and be that change of pace X factor off the bench his rookie year imo, much like Tyreke was. Unlike Tyreke his jumper isn't fundamentally flawed, so imo it is something that will get better as he gets older. By all indications he is a gym rat that loves the game, and is mature beyond his years, very well spoken for a 19 year old kid and already has experience being a professional athlete. Him falling could all be smokescreen, New York would be stupid to pass on him, but if they do we should pounce.

2. Draft Willie Trill Cauley-Stein, the Kingsfans.com favorite, I like him but I am not as enamored with him as others. My main concern is his basketball IQ and commitment to the game. I will always take the guy that loves the game and is a gym rat over the guy that is physically gifted but is more likely to rest on his laurels once they become pro's and the money starts rolling in and all the distractions that come with being a pro athlete. He could be the next Tyson Chandler or he could be the next Javele Mcgee. His wingspan is underwhelming for a guy his size, and his block numbers are not impressive for a guy you are drafting to be a defensive anchor(aware of minutes, but still an issue imo). What you can't take away from him is his physical gifts, quickness, ability to run and jump are off the charts for a big his size he legitametely will be able to hold his own with any player 1-5 with the exception of the most elite players obviously. My question is still, is he a tall athelte playing basketball or a basketball player that is tall and athletic? Rebounding fundamentals are flawed, and doesn't have the base to indicate he will every be a great rebounder. So in the end what many are viewing as the most safe pick is actually one of the riskier picks in my view. He could be the next Tyson Chandler, but theres a stench of Thomas Robinson in there for me(older college player that is ready and will be a solid pro for the next 10 years).

3. Justice Winslow, this guy just oozes winner, its just hard for me to see him being a failure at the pro level. If Mudiaye and WCSt are off the board, Winslow should be the pick.

4. Trade down for Cameron Payne. This is a possibility, if Payne is someone the Kings want you can afford to trade down 4 or 5 spots to get him and another asset either a wing or a PF, and maybe a way to rid yourself of Landry.

5. Trade the pick outright. This becomes muddy now that the Gerbil is back in Denver. Who knowas how involved he will be in direct basketball decisions. Many don't want Lawson, but that is a high possibility especially if Karl has a say.
 
I'm pretty much winding down my assessment of the talent and I think these will be our options in order of possibility of happening.

1. Draft Emmanuel Mudiaye if he falls to 6. Plain and simple you have to take him if he's there at 6, he could end up being one of the top 2 or 3 best players in this draft when its all said and done. At worst he is Tyreke Evans, at best maybe a mix of Tyreke and John Wall. Also he is not a project, he will be able to contribute right away, physically he is as ready as any player in the draft, and his game, early on at least, will mainly involve him pushing the pace and attacking the defense. He should be able to back up Collison or play alongside him for stretches and be that change of pace X factor off the bench his rookie year imo, much like Tyreke was. Unlike Tyreke his jumper isn't fundamentally flawed, so imo it is something that will get better as he gets older. By all indications he is a gym rat that loves the game, and is mature beyond his years, very well spoken for a 19 year old kid and already has experience being a professional athlete. Him falling could all be smokescreen, New York would be stupid to pass on him, but if they do we should pounce.

2. Draft Willie Trill Cauley-Stein, the Kingsfans.com favorite, I like him but I am not as enamored with him as others. My main concern is his basketball IQ and commitment to the game. I will always take the guy that loves the game and is a gym rat over the guy that is physically gifted but is more likely to rest on his laurels once they become pro's and the money starts rolling in and all the distractions that come with being a pro athlete. He could be the next Tyson Chandler or he could be the next Javele Mcgee. His wingspan is underwhelming for a guy his size, and his block numbers are not impressive for a guy you are drafting to be a defensive anchor(aware of minutes, but still an issue imo). What you can't take away from him is his physical gifts, quickness, ability to run and jump are off the charts for a big his size he legitametely will be able to hold his own with any player 1-5 with the exception of the most elite players obviously. My question is still, is he a tall athelte playing basketball or a basketball player that is tall and athletic? Rebounding fundamentals are flawed, and doesn't have the base to indicate he will every be a great rebounder. So in the end what many are viewing as the most safe pick is actually one of the riskier picks in my view. He could be the next Tyson Chandler, but theres a stench of Thomas Robinson in there for me(older college player that is ready and will be a solid pro for the next 10 years).

3. Justice Winslow, this guy just oozes winner, its just hard for me to see him being a failure at the pro level. If Mudiaye and WCSt are off the board, Winslow should be the pick.

4. Trade down for Cameron Payne. This is a possibility, if Payne is someone the Kings want you can afford to trade down 4 or 5 spots to get him and another asset either a wing or a PF, and maybe a way to rid yourself of Landry.

5. Trade the pick outright. This becomes muddy now that the Gerbil is back in Denver. Who knowas how involved he will be in direct basketball decisions. Many don't want Lawson, but that is a high possibility especially if Karl has a say.
WCS's BBall IQ is higher than average. He's a very smart player.
 
I'm still looking for the edited video where DeAndre Jordan hits several 3 pointers in a row...

I'm still looking for a video where Tyreke Evans, Quincy Douby and Jimmer Fredette hit about 80% of their shots in a open gym without being defended or ran at.
 
he can make those shots tho. if the skill is there, it can be refined with daily practice.

I suppose the argument you can make is that the players at Kentucky have defined roles and we don't really know how good they are until they hit the pros because Callipari gives them specific roles, in Cauley Steins case, rebound, block shots and run the floor. Karl Anthony Towns I read has a pretty good mid range jump shot, but we rarely saw it because coach Callipari wanted him in the post. I think a lot of us didn't know DeMarcus can shoot those jump shots either until he hit the pros.
 
I agree if you have Lawson, Gay, Faried, Cousins, you can afford to have young improving player. I mean he was better in his second year than his first. Why all of a sudden at 21 is he at his ceiling? Ppl around here clamor every year over the draft but if the player isn't an all star by year two they want him gone.

I want no part of Faried. Lawson is a good point guard, and may fit in well with Cousins and Gay, but I would take almost anyone else on Denver's roster instead of Faried. We already have an undersized, no-defense 4 on the roster in Reggie Evans.
 
I suppose the argument you can make is that the players at Kentucky have defined roles and we don't really know how good they are until they hit the pros because Callipari gives them specific roles, in Cauley Steins case, rebound, block shots and run the floor. Karl Anthony Towns I read has a pretty good mid range jump shot, but we rarely saw it because coach Callipari wanted him in the post. I think a lot of us didn't know DeMarcus can shoot those jump shots either until he hit the pros.

didn't know cousins had that range until there was a clip of his kings workout hitting them.
 
didn't know cousins had that range until there was a clip of his kings workout hitting them.

even in workouts though....they can be hitting all the shots in the world but if it doesn't translate to the court in real time action, it's all for show or boosting ones draft order.
 
Not everyone can make wide open gym shots.. just ask Mudiay.


These are the only video I'll watch WCS tape was edited with no missed shots.

Good news, it seems like Cousins want WCS at 6 so he can play more PF according ryena russillo

Regardless the other teams C will be guarding him wasn't there talk earlier from Karl about DMC playing PF too. I'm guessing Koufos would start here if we singed him but I'd take lopez 1st.
 
Also if we are looking for a C if try Noah. Looks like the bulls are trying to dumb him and for salary. Ben for Noah straight up than sign and trade for Matthews, Afflalo, or D.Green.
 
Noah is done, Thibs ran him to the ground.

Here are his minutes under Thibs, nothing looks out of sorts here

30.1
32.8
30.4
36.8
35.3
30.6

Two years where he played at the high end of the spectrum, but the rest of the time he was lower than I would expect at 30-32 minutes per game.
 
Here are his minutes under Thibs, nothing looks out of sorts here

30.1
32.8
30.4
36.8
35.3
30.6

Two years where he played at the high end of the spectrum, but the rest of the time he was lower than I would expect at 30-32 minutes per game.

You have to take into account his style of play. He knows one speed, 100 mph balls to the wall. Then you also take into account playoffs where hes going even harder, if thats possible. Hes 30 and I see it hard for him playing past 33 or 34. Pretty much you are getting diminishing returns from here on out and injury risks. Just draft WCS if you want that type of player.
 
I don't want Noah either, but you could get Noah and on-trade him with some sweetners (Nik, JT or maybe Carl) to someone like OKC or Boston for around pick #14, and pick up WCS as well as Payne. They worked together well in the video from tryouts!
 
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