Who do you want the Kings to Draft at #6?

Who do you want the Kings to Draft at #6?


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Kings can just as easily trade rights to #6 without signing, except Brick's trade #1 requires salary of the pick, which would bring 30 day rule into force.

True, but Kings would be better off trading the #6 picks signed contract, which is about $3.3million towards the salary match, so the Kings won't need to include more players in the deal to match salaries.

Otherwise, they would need to include a player like Nik's contract to help match salaries in a Lawson and Faried trade.
 
Please do! Better yet, watch some tape now and educate yourself. I harped on about Elfrid Payton last year and he made the All Rookie first team. Maybe I know what I'm talking about. I think WCS is more Mikki Moore than Tyson Chandler so imagine how annoying it is for me that 75% of Kings fans want us to draft that guy.

LOL!:)
 
If WCS/Mudiya are gone grab Winslow and trade Nik or Ben for Henson. Waive landry creating cap space of 14-15mill give the money to Matthews and call it an off season.
I think that team can make the playoffs this year. Portland/Dallas should be falling out of the playoffs with there player ms there loosing and okc will take 1 spot. I think we would be better than Dallas/NO with a starting lineup of
Collison/Wes/Gay/Henson/DMC
 
If WCS/Mudiya are gone grab Winslow and trade Nik or Ben for Henson. Waive landry creating cap space of 14-15mill give the money to Matthews and call it an off season.
I think that team can make the playoffs this year. Portland/Dallas should be falling out of the playoffs with there player ms there loosing and okc will take 1 spot. I think we would be better than Dallas/NO with a starting lineup of
Collison/Wes/Gay/Henson/DMC
Why not Middleton over Wes (I doubt Midds gets over 14-15million)? He's injury free and very versatile in that fact he can play anything from SF/SG/stretch 4 small ball, Wes at best is coming off a serious injury and is purely a SG. If we have 14-15 million spend that on Middleton or at least try to, a guy with similar production and qualities with way better upside and also gives us the option of shipping Rudy Gay if Rudy decides to go chuck mode as well as being a excellent compliment to Rudy weather as a SF/SG. He also gives us options of being able to move the likes of Nik and Mclemore without really having to worry much about the "what if'. Middleton allows us freely to adjust our playing style on whatever works/is working with his ability to play play SG/SF.

Small ball line up
Cousins
Gay
Middleton
Mclemore (if we don't trade him but we can since we got Midds)
DC

Normal line up
Cousins
doesn't matter right now (maybe WCS)
Gay
Midds
DC
 
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Why not Middleton over Wes (I doubt Midds gets over 14-15million)? He's injury free and very versatile in that fact he can play anything from SF/SG/stretch 4 small ball, Wes at best is coming off a serious injury and is purely a SG. If we have 14-15 million spend that on Middleton or at least try to, a guy with similar production and qualities with way better upside and also gives us the option of shipping Rudy Gay if Rudy decides to go chuck mode as well as being a excellent compliment to Rudy weather as a SF/SG. He also gives us options of being able to move the likes of Nik and Mclemore without really having to worry much about the "what if'. Middleton allows us freely to adjust our playing style on whatever works/is working with his ability to play play SG/SF.

Small ball line up
Cousins
Gay
Middleton
Mclemore (if we don't trade him but we can since we got Midds)
DC

Normal line up
Cousins
doesn't matter right now (maybe WCS)
Gay
Midds
DC

Mattews can play SF easily.
Middleton will get matched no matter the offer just like 95% of RFA. Bucks already said so but if take Wes anyway a better defender I believe Kobe came back on opening night after his Achilles injury and his happend 1 month after wher Wes injured his. Also Wes guards SF effectively and unlike Middleton Wrs can switch to some pgs. I really hope orlando bites on Porzingis of Winslow tgat would be key cause Mudiya is going 4 whether it's the knicks taking him or a trade.
 
I'd be happy with this team next year:

PG - Collison/Miller (vet min)/McCallum/Stockton
SG - Matthews (FA signing)/McLemore/Stauskas
SF - Gay/Casspi (room exception)
PF - Thompson/Gooden (vet min)/Evans (vet min)/Moreland
C - Cousins/Cauley-Stein (6th pick)

The bench is still weak, but we added two long term players that compliment our core nicely (Matthews & Cauley-Stein). Next year, when the cap rises, the Kings should be able to fill out and strengthen their bench.

Note: I don't expect Cauley-Stein to be the full time backup C, but I think between Cousins, Thompson, & Cauley-Stein, we should have all of our center minutes accounted for. Middleton is my first choice, but him being a RFA really makes him unrealistic in my eyes.
 
Mattews can play SF easily.
Middleton will get matched no matter the offer just like 95% of RFA. Bucks already said so but if take Wes anyway a better defender I believe Kobe came back on opening night after his Achilles injury and his happend 1 month after wher Wes injured his. Also Wes guards SF effectively and unlike Middleton Wrs can switch to some pgs. I really hope orlando bites on Porzingis of Winslow tgat would be key cause Mudiya is going 4 whether it's the knicks taking him or a trade.

I would agree with this.

I like Middleton but (1) he's about to get a monster deal and (2) he's a RFA so the Bucks will likely match. Now whether that's smart with Parker and Giannis I don't know but I'm guessing they'll try to play all three next season at SG, SF and PF.

Middleton is far younger and shows more potential but Matthews is a better defender, better as a catch and shoot wing (which the Kings very much need) and is 28 and coming off a scary injury which means his value might be low enough to where the Kings can successfully go after him.

Collison
Matthews
Gay
Cauley-Stein
Cousins

is a nice starting five. Obviously JT will likely start at PF to begin the season and possibly McLemore as Matthews rounds back into playing shape after his rehab but by the end of the season I'd expect to see that lineup.

Thompson and McLemore off the bench aren't bad. Miller and Casspi (if resigned) are nice pieces and I think you have to explore moving Stauskas for additional bench help. Anything Landry, McCallum or Moreland provide (beyond injury protection) is pretty much a bonus.

If relatively healthy that squad might be a 7th or 8th seed, especially if LMA does leave Portland. And next offseason when the salary cap explodes the Kings can sign additional roleplayers to fill out the roster and/or a PG good enough to push Collison to a backup role.
 
I'm getting more concerned we're going to do something stupid like trade the 6 plus some combo of DC/JT/Landry for Lawson and/or faried.

Feels like we'll once again go into the offseason talking about bringing in pieces to address weaknesses like defense and shooting and then go and do the opposite.

Who knows, after 10 years maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Lawson AND Faried would be good. That's 2 nice upgrades and whiles its not necessarily ideal, it makes us a better team. And I'd absolutely love to see what Lawson could do as a #3 option and in the PnR with Cuz. Remember, his numbers now are him being the #1, and they're still really damn good. Guy is a lights out shooter and one of the better playmakers in the NBA.

Lawson || DC (maybe??)
Ben || Nik
Gay || Casspi
Faried || Moreland
Cuz

Needs a few things, but that's a core that will win games next year. It doesn't require our #6 pick to make an immediate impact or significant strides from Ben or Nik or on the big FA acquisiton. Especially if we got to keep DC, we'd have a battle-tested, vet core with a vet coach.

Its not the result I want, but its not something I'd be mad about. It give us for the first time in a long time to actually be a competitive playoff team. That's not nothing.
 
I would agree with this.

I like Middleton but (1) he's about to get a monster deal and (2) he's a RFA so the Bucks will likely match. Now whether that's smart with Parker and Giannis I don't know but I'm guessing they'll try to play all three next season at SG, SF and PF.

Middleton is far younger and shows more potential but Matthews is a better defender, better as a catch and shoot wing (which the Kings very much need) and is 28 and coming off a scary injury which means his value might be low enough to where the Kings can successfully go after him.

Collison
Matthews
Gay
Cauley-Stein
Cousins

is a nice starting five. Obviously JT will likely start at PF to begin the season and possibly McLemore as Matthews rounds back into playing shape after his rehab but by the end of the season I'd expect to see that lineup.

Thompson and McLemore off the bench aren't bad. Miller and Casspi (if resigned) are nice pieces and I think you have to explore moving Stauskas for additional bench help. Anything Landry, McCallum or Moreland provide (beyond injury protection) is pretty much a bonus.

If relatively healthy that squad might be a 7th or 8th seed, especially if LMA does leave Portland. And next offseason when the salary cap explodes the Kings can sign additional roleplayers to fill out the roster and/or a PG good enough to push Collison to a backup role.

I don't mind this result either. Matthews has declined defensively in recent years, but he's as legit a 3pt threat as their is in the league and he and Collison would win the "Super steady and consistent" back-court award. When Gay and Cuz are your best players, that's not a bad thing. You don't need stars everywhere else, just consistent production.
 
Lawson AND Faried would be good. That's 2 nice upgrades and whiles its not necessarily ideal, it makes us a better team. And I'd absolutely love to see what Lawson could do as a #3 option and in the PnR with Cuz. Remember, his numbers now are him being the #1, and they're still really damn good. Guy is a lights out shooter and one of the better playmakers in the NBA.

Lawson || DC (maybe??)
Ben || Nik
Gay || Casspi
Faried || Moreland
Cuz

Needs a few things, but that's a core that will win games next year. It doesn't require our #6 pick to make an immediate impact or significant strides from Ben or Nik or on the big FA acquisiton. Especially if we got to keep DC, we'd have a battle-tested, vet core with a vet coach.

Its not the result I want, but its not something I'd be mad about. It give us for the first time in a long time to actually be a competitive playoff team. That's not nothing.

Just as a note, Collison is actually a better outside shooter than Lawson. Lawson's real strength is as a penetrating guard who can score or drive and dish.

The Kings could trade Landry, JT and the 6th pick for Lawson and Faried but without sending any more salary back the Kings would have virtually no cap room left to fill out the team.
 
Lawson AND Faried would be good. That's 2 nice upgrades and whiles its not necessarily ideal, it makes us a better team. And I'd absolutely love to see what Lawson could do as a #3 option and in the PnR with Cuz. Remember, his numbers now are him being the #1, and they're still really damn good. Guy is a lights out shooter and one of the better playmakers in the NBA.

Lawson || DC (maybe??)
Ben || Nik
Gay || Casspi
Faried || Moreland
Cuz

Needs a few things, but that's a core that will win games next year. It doesn't require our #6 pick to make an immediate impact or significant strides from Ben or Nik or on the big FA acquisiton. Especially if we got to keep DC, we'd have a battle-tested, vet core with a vet coach.

Its not the result I want, but its not something I'd be mad about. It give us for the first time in a long time to actually be a competitive playoff team. That's not nothing.

Lawson is a lights out shooter? He's worse than dc.

Both guys are worse defenders and shooters than the players they would be replacing and that's our 2 biggest issues. The differences in salaries (plus the fact that the 6 would probably go as well) means we'd be out of assets to improve our defense/spacing weaknesses at sg, backup sf and our big rotation.
 
Just as a note, Collison is actually a better outside shooter than Lawson. Lawson's real strength is as a penetrating guard who can score or drive and dish.

The Kings could trade Landry, JT and the 6th pick for Lawson and Faried but without sending any more salary back the Kings would have virtually no cap room left to fill out the team.

% wise yea, but I'm more guessing where Lawson would be when he's not the main focus of the defense. With us, I'd guess his 3pt% would be closer to 40%, like his first couple season
 
Lawson AND Faried would be good. That's 2 nice upgrades and whiles its not necessarily ideal, it makes us a better team. And I'd absolutely love to see what Lawson could do as a #3 option and in the PnR with Cuz. Remember, his numbers now are him being the #1, and they're still really damn good. Guy is a lights out shooter and one of the better playmakers in the NBA.

Lawson || DC (maybe??)
Ben || Nik
Gay || Casspi
Faried || Moreland
Cuz

Needs a few things, but that's a core that will win games next year. It doesn't require our #6 pick to make an immediate impact or significant strides from Ben or Nik or on the big FA acquisiton. Especially if we got to keep DC, we'd have a battle-tested, vet core with a vet coach.

Its not the result I want, but its not something I'd be mad about. It give us for the first time in a long time to actually be a competitive playoff team. That's not nothing.

No way they trade both faried/ lawson on 1 deal. MALONE DONT TAKE THIS JOB JUST WAIT FOR A GOOD OPENING (Minnneasota).

But if we trade with them I'd rather do JT/Landry/6 for Faried why? Because this gives us cap space to still sign mathews or D.Green. I take faried/Mathews over faried/ lawson everyday.

Collison
Matthews/Ben
Gay/Nik
Faried
Boogie/Ed Davis

Bench is weak but you can play any of our starters with the 2nd unite and they can be the go to scorer.
 
No way they trade both faried/ lawson on 1 deal. MALONE DONT TAKE THIS JOB JUST WAIT FOR A GOOD OPENING (Minnneasota).

But if we trade with them I'd rather do JT/Landry/6 for Faried why? Because this gives us cap space to still sign mathews or D.Green. I take faried/Mathews over faried/ lawson everyday.

There is no way I would trade the #6 pick in the draft for Kenneth Faried. He's a barely passable starter who is being paid like a superstar. He's way overpaid, undersized, and a terrible fit next to Cousins. If we want an undersized 4 who plays no defense, we can just play Rudy at the 4, and look for a 3&D Wing.
 
I would agree with this.

I like Middleton but (1) he's about to get a monster deal and (2) he's a RFA so the Bucks will likely match. Now whether that's smart with Parker and Giannis I don't know but I'm guessing they'll try to play all three next season at SG, SF and PF.

Middleton is far younger and shows more potential but Matthews is a better defender, better as a catch and shoot wing (which the Kings very much need) and is 28 and coming off a scary injury which means his value might be low enough to where the Kings can successfully go after him.

Collison
Matthews
Gay
Cauley-Stein
Cousins

is a nice starting five. Obviously JT will likely start at PF to begin the season and possibly McLemore as Matthews rounds back into playing shape after his rehab but by the end of the season I'd expect to see that lineup.

Thompson and McLemore off the bench aren't bad. Miller and Casspi (if resigned) are nice pieces and I think you have to explore moving Stauskas for additional bench help. Anything Landry, McCallum or Moreland provide (beyond injury protection) is pretty much a bonus.

If relatively healthy that squad might be a 7th or 8th seed, especially if LMA does leave Portland. And next offseason when the salary cap explodes the Kings can sign additional roleplayers to fill out the roster and/or a PG good enough to push Collison to a backup role.

Agreed, I do like the look of that line up and it forms a solid foundation going forwards. If those five guys gel we will have a talented starting line up. The main thing that line up will need is for Cousins to continue improving and further establish himself as arguably the most dominant center in the league. If he does that, then with that supporting four we should have a decent ceiling for this team. Plus, if the team can acquire any further upgrades in free agency next off season [eg. replacing Collison with a better facilitator, or an upgrade at PF letting Cauley-Stein be our impact guy off the bench], then the ceiling continues to rise.

In regards to the 2015-16 season. I think we could see a few teams in flux if their off seasons don't go as planned:

1. Portland: as you rightly say LMA could leave, and if Matthews goes as well, that leaves them needing to retool and build around Lillard. I don't doubt Lillard's ability as one of the star PGs in the league, but the loss of LMA and Matthews could be too much to make them a shoe-in for the play offs.

2. Memphis: I feel Gasol will re-sign with them, but if he did leave for a big market team like the Lakers or Knicks, how much would losing him hurt the Grizzlies? Top it off if Jeff Green opts out and signs elsewhere, then that leaves them with Randolph, Conley, Lee, and Allen as their remaining starting calibre players. Would that quartet, pending any additions, be enough to get them back into the play offs?

3. Dallas: This team could look very different. Next season they only have Parsons and Nowitzki from their starting line up guaranteed to be back. Monta Ellis has a player option which he is likely to opt out of; Chandler is out of contract; and Rondo isn't going to be back. Another player likely to opt out is Aminu, and that leaves them with Devin Harris, Raymond Felton [player option - apparently opted in], Bernard James [qualifying offer], Gal Mekel, and Dwight Powell [team option] as the other names on their roster. Granted this means they will have a lot of cap space to spend, but in recent seasons big names have shunned them. And with Nowitzki looking mortal, their window may have closed, unless of course they land a big name free agent or two.

4. Pelicans: I'm not sure I see them missing out on the play offs as long as Davis stays healthy, and the same goes for Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans, and Ryan Anderson. Granted Eric Gordon has a player option, and Omer Asik is a free agent, but if those two leave they will have cap space to work with and they are an attractive place to go. I can see big name free agents being tempted at pairing themselves with a star like Anthony Davis. But if Gordon and Asik leave, and their main players struggle to stay on the court, then they could miss out.​

Granted I don't expect all of these teams to struggle this off season, but we'll need two of them take a significant enough hit to make the 7th or 8th seed a possibility. Why? Because last season OKC managed 45 wins despite Westbrook (15), Durant (55), and Ibaka (18) missing significant time. They are a title contender when those three guys are healthy and on the court together. As long as they stay healthy they should make the play offs next season at the expense of one of the above teams, and it wouldn't surprise me if they are a top four seed. That means for us to make the play offs we are going to need to hit a home run in the draft and free agency and take a huge jump forwards to become a 45+ win team to even be in with a chance to make it next season. That's a lot to ask. For me, we are more likely to make to be .500 and finish 9th or 10th, than we are to push our way into the play offs unless two of the above teams really struggle this off season and lose key players causing them to be around the .500 mark or worse [eg. 2012-13 Mavericks finished 41-41 after blowing up their title winning team, and failing to land big name free agents], while we take a huge jump forwards and take advantage. I'd love for the latter to happen, but right now, I'm not convinced we will be a play off team next season.
 
If you just look at production though (Moore, Cauley-Stein) they're not that far apart. I know team defense isn't really measured in box scores but he has to be an elite team defender to have any hope of staying on the floor. Personally, I'm not that impressed with his team defense to the point where I can call him a sure-thing. His pure athletic ability is off the charts but his understanding of the game still has a long way to go from what I've seen. He gets handsy on the perimeter which is going to get called all game in the NBA. He still gets out-muscled in the paint against college players which is forgivable for underclassmen, but after three years I start to question how much physical development he's got left in him. He can run the floor, use his length, and throw down dunks but so could Mikki Moore. That's not enough to make you a full-time starter.


No, no and no.

WCS already rebounds, block shots, and scores better than Moore. Better hands too and can guard the perimeter. WCS is much much closer to Chandler than he is to Moore. He can even surpass Chandler.
 
Lawson AND Faried would be good. That's 2 nice upgrades and whiles its not necessarily ideal, it makes us a better team. And I'd absolutely love to see what Lawson could do as a #3 option and in the PnR with Cuz. Remember, his numbers now are him being the #1, and they're still really damn good. Guy is a lights out shooter and one of the better playmakers in the NBA.

Lawson || DC (maybe??)
Ben || Nik
Gay || Casspi
Faried || Moreland
Cuz

Needs a few things, but that's a core that will win games next year. It doesn't require our #6 pick to make an immediate impact or significant strides from Ben or Nik or on the big FA acquisiton. Especially if we got to keep DC, we'd have a battle-tested, vet core with a vet coach.

Its not the result I want, but its not something I'd be mad about. It give us for the first time in a long time to actually be a competitive playoff team. That's not nothing.


Got to move Ben McLemore. I just don't think he's going to be very good. He did improve this year but he's still one of the worst starting SGs in the league if that says anything. We need a veteran in there. SGs used to be a dime a dozen. Not sure where they all went.
 
Lawson AND Faried would be good. That's 2 nice upgrades and whiles its not necessarily ideal, it makes us a better team. And I'd absolutely love to see what Lawson could do as a #3 option and in the PnR with Cuz. Remember, his numbers now are him being the #1, and they're still really damn good. Guy is a lights out shooter and one of the better playmakers in the NBA.

Lawson || DC (maybe??)
Ben || Nik
Gay || Casspi
Faried || Moreland
Cuz

Needs a few things, but that's a core that will win games next year. It doesn't require our #6 pick to make an immediate impact or significant strides from Ben or Nik or on the big FA acquisiton. Especially if we got to keep DC, we'd have a battle-tested, vet core with a vet coach.

Its not the result I want, but its not something I'd be mad about. It give us for the first time in a long time to actually be a competitive playoff team. That's not nothing.

This would be taking a step forward, but the path you chose is limited...

There's people with a Championship as the ultimate goal and then there are people with Playoffs as the ultimate goal. People who are serious about bringing a Championship to Sacramento want no part of Lawson & Faried.

If you build towards competing for a championship, the Playoffs will come naturally. No need to go all-in to JUST reach the playoffs. Think bigger. We Kings fans deserve it!
 
No, no and no.

WCS already rebounds, block shots, and scores better than Moore. Better hands too and can guard the perimeter. WCS is much much closer to Chandler than he is to Moore. He can even surpass Chandler.

Mikki Moore in his final college season grabbed more rebounds than WCS (7.4 vs. 6.4), blocked more shots than WCS (2.7 vs. 1.7), and scored more points than WCS (11.7 vs. 8.9). He also shot better from the field (58% vs. 57%) and from the free throw line (70% vs. 62%). Granted he played 4 more minutes per game, but if Cauley-Stein is so much better that the comparison is laughable, where is his production?

I didn't make the comparison because I thought they were comparable players -- though they do have some superficial similarities physically -- I made the comparison because I think the expectations some Kings fans have for Cauley-Stein (ie he can surpass Tyson Chandler) are far beyond what his actual production indicates. It's not impossible of course, but if that's the type of player you're expecting, I hope you realize that a lot of evidence is stacked against it.

Also, I can easily find a highlight reel on Youtube that makes Mikki Moore look like an All-Star:


If you watched Cauley-Stein play 30+ college games and you strongly feel the stats don't accurately reflect his impact on the game, I can respect that. I know there aren't 55 people on this board alone who can make that claim though.
 
Got to move Ben McLemore. I just don't think he's going to be very good. He did improve this year but he's still one of the worst starting SGs in the league if that says anything. We need a veteran in there. SGs used to be a dime a dozen. Not sure where they all went.

Again, this gets tossed around a lot but what would we do to "improve" through trading Ben. The really good sg are either fixtures on their team or even the ones that will be small to medium upgrades over Ben are FA that will cost 10m plus this offseason, which we don't have.

He's young, cheep, improving and his skill set as an athletic 3 and d guy is what we'd be overspending to acquire (but without upside).

We absolutely need more experienced shooters and defense in the backcourt (preferably one that can handle the ball when needed). Just don't think trading Ben gives us a better option at the 2.
 
Mikki Moore in his final college season grabbed more rebounds than WCS (7.4 vs. 6.4), blocked more shots than WCS (2.7 vs. 1.7), and scored more points than WCS (11.7 vs. 8.9). He also shot better from the field (58% vs. 57%) and from the free throw line (70% vs. 62%). Granted he played 4 more minutes per game, but if Cauley-Stein is so much better that the comparison is laughable, where is his production?

I didn't make the comparison because I thought they were comparable players -- though they do have some superficial similarities physically -- I made the comparison because I think the expectations some Kings fans have for Cauley-Stein (ie he can surpass Tyson Chandler) are far beyond what his actual production indicates. It's not impossible of course, but if that's the type of player you're expecting, I hope you realize that a lot of evidence is stacked against it.

Also, I can easily find a highlight reel on Youtube that makes Mikki Moore look like an All-Star:


If you watched Cauley-Stein play 30+ college games and you strongly feel the stats don't accurately reflect his impact on the game, I can respect that. I know there aren't 55 people on this board alone who can make that claim though.
You know that's a clip of 31 y.o. Moore, obviously fully mature, but still weighing under 230 pounds. That guy also seems to have mobility and lift comparable to Demarcus Cousins. I actually don't see the need to continue.
 
You know that's a clip of 31 y.o. Moore, obviously fully mature, but still weighing under 230 pounds. That guy also seems to have mobility and lift comparable to Demarcus Cousins. I actually don't see the need to continue.

I'm pretty sure I addressed every single one of these points already in the post you quoted.
 
Mikki Moore in his final college season grabbed more rebounds than WCS (7.4 vs. 6.4), blocked more shots than WCS (2.7 vs. 1.7), and scored more points than WCS (11.7 vs. 8.9). He also shot better from the field (58% vs. 57%) and from the free throw line (70% vs. 62%). Granted he played 4 more minutes per game, but if Cauley-Stein is so much better that the comparison is laughable, where is his production?

I didn't make the comparison because I thought they were comparable players -- though they do have some superficial similarities physically -- I made the comparison because I think the expectations some Kings fans have for Cauley-Stein (ie he can surpass Tyson Chandler) are far beyond what his actual production indicates. It's not impossible of course, but if that's the type of player you're expecting, I hope you realize that a lot of evidence is stacked against it.

Also, I can easily find a highlight reel on Youtube that makes Mikki Moore look like an All-Star:


If you watched Cauley-Stein play 30+ college games and you strongly feel the stats don't accurately reflect his impact on the game, I can respect that. I know there aren't 55 people on this board alone who can make that claim though.


If you watched both players you would know that WCS is heads and shoulders above Moore. Stats mean nothing when comparing these two. WCS is a better rebounder, shot blocker, defender, has better hands and has a higher BBall IQ.

When stats are equal you have to evaluate with your own eyes, and I don't see anyone besides you comparing WCS to Moore. I watch almost every Kentucky game for years and years and have not seen anything that made me think that WCS is Mikki More. Nothing....
 
If you watched both players you would know that WCS is heads and shoulders above Moore. Stats mean nothing when comparing these two. WCS is a better rebounder, shot blocker, defender, has better hands and has a higher BBall IQ.

When stats are equal you have to evaluate with your own eyes, and I don't see anyone besides you comparing WCS to Moore. I watch almost every Kentucky game for years and years and have not seen anything that made me think that WCS is Mikki More. Nothing....

I never said he was similar to Mikki Moore, I threw Moore's name out there as a more realistic target given Cauley-Stein's production and skill level. I do think his athletic profile will give him an advantage defensively that Moore never enjoyed, however I don't see the "much higher" BBIQ that you do and that's the main reason for my lukewarm assessment of his potential.
 
Again, this gets tossed around a lot but what would we do to "improve" through trading Ben. The really good sg are either fixtures on their team or even the ones that will be small to medium upgrades over Ben are FA that will cost 10m plus this offseason, which we don't have.

He's young, cheep, improving and his skill set as an athletic 3 and d guy is what we'd be overspending to acquire (but without upside).

We absolutely need more experienced shooters and defense in the backcourt (preferably one that can handle the ball when needed). Just don't think trading Ben gives us a better option at the 2.

Agree
Sign matthews and let Ben/Nik develop as back ups there not lost causes. Ben showed life under Malone and at the end if the season as did Nik.
 
Just keep adding pieces or talent.....the days of PDA hemorrhaging our talent for nothing in return (Tyreke, IT nothing to show for them) are over. Add 2 pieces, 3 even better and Ben and Nik develop and then we have some assets to at least consider in making deals.
 
talk that the lakers are strongly considering taking D’Angelo Russell with the 2nd pick.

if that eventuates hopefully that transcends into us having a real shot at WCS
 
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