Which move do you think the Kings regret the most?

[bloom]

To answer you question: The Beno signing. What a waste for a guy who played differently last year. I don't care how similar his stats are. I defended the guy but where is he? He should give us a refund for this year.

My other choices:

1. Firing Rick. Biggest Mistake.
2. Not Rebuilding earlier/Signing SAR. That's the year where our "big" three emerged. Yep.

2. Divorcing your hot wife because she was crazy and might have killed you in your sleep.

Lmao...

 

[rings4Kings]

I'm going off the board on this one, but I actually think that the worst move (and begining to the end) was when the Kings did not re-sign Jim Jackson. First sign that things were a changing.

 

[6th]

I'm going off the board on this one, but I actually think that the worst move (and begining to the end) was when the Kings did not re-sign Jim Jackson. First sign that things were a changing.

While I would not agree that it was the "worst move," you may very well be right that it was one of the first real indicators that things were changing. Good point.

 

[LPKingsFan]

While I would not agree that it was the "worst move," you may very well be right that it was one of the first real indicators that things were changing. Good point.

We all know the real turning point was Barry for Mateen!

 

[rings4Kings]

We all know the real turning point was Barry for Mateen!

I do remember a few good years after that trade though. But I get your point.

 

[Aenadin]

the choices should be....

1. Drafting Douby over the other PGs
2. Hiring Muss and Theus over better choices
3. NOT PROTECTING G-Wallace in the expansion draft when peja would be gone after that... (wallace and ronron together if ever?) you could have atleast unprotected DArius Songaila or one of our ugly contracts
4. letting rick A. Go
5. Throwing away 2 2nd rounders when you could have used em to trade up to a late first rounder

oh so many things to regret but i think number three is one of the biggest ones

dont you guys think we could have gotten Shane Battier instead of bobby j in that Hou trade?

 

[CruzDude]

None of those 3. They all made sense at the time and still do. Beno was a good choice to re-sign considering options available. But the biggest albatross of the past 7 years was Kenny Thomas and his forever contract that had to be eaten and no one in the league wanting him at that price.

In the last 2 years, no player moves were regrettable except maybe for Gooden. He could have been good and very helpful but, in the economic disaster the Kings and the other lower 15-18 teams are facing, $2M is $2M. Business wise needed to be done.

Keeping Douby so long was regrettable.

Not getting as much as they should/could have for Bibby is regrettable but all disappeared now lowering their cap exposure.

Not getting a downtown arena is regrettable.

 

[Superman]

3. NOT PROTECTING G-Wallace in the expansion draft when peja would be gone after that... (wallace and ronron together if ever?) you could have atleast unprotected DArius Songaila or one of our ugly contracts

Darius Songaila was not under contract, so we couldn't expose him instead Wallace.

dont you guys think we could have gotten Shane Battier instead of bobby j in that Hou trade?

Ha! No.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

The Webber trade is not just one of the worst trades in Sac history, its one of the worst trades in NBA history.

Ok, now we are really overreacting. The trade was a bad one, as Geoff though the smaller contracts would be easier to trade. However, one of the worst in NBA history?

Come one, yes, it hurt our cap space, but Webber did nothing after the deal. The Sixers never reaped any real benefit. I mean, ultimatley you can argue they won because they got cap space sooner, but just off the top of my head the Wilt trade, Abdul Jabar trade, the #1 pick (Magic Johnson) trade, Webber for Richmond, Pau for the pupu platter, Bibby for JWill, Mutombo for Ratliff, Kobe for Divac, half the trades the Warriors made during their 12 year stench (trading Webber, Googs, Spree for .50 cents on the dollar), Eddy Curry for 2 1st round picks, Pippen for OP, Joe Johnson for Rodney Rodgers, and that's litterally just doing train of thought.

 

[Tmassfan4life]

Re signing Beno. Why? He was obviously playing for a contract last year, and since then he has been playing like complete garbage. He has good games once in awhile, but they are becoming fewer and fewer, and now he's hurt.

Bad bad move.

 

[AriesMar27]

resigning beno obviously... and garcia now that we have nocioni... having all three signed for the next 4 years....thats almost as bad as the webber trade and all of the moveable pieces that came with it. douby caused all of this oddly enough. if we had drafted rondo/farmar/sergio we wouldnt have needed beno.... and in the end we might not have traded for nocioni because we wouldnt suck as much as we do now.

firing adelman is a close second.

 

[asakkings]

I think firing adelman was the worst move, he was a great teacher and was able to got most out of his players.

Btw: Adelman made some decent role players alot of money, look at guys like tony delk, vernon maxwell, keon clark. These guys came into his system for a year, did well and got paid.

 

[rainmaker]

I know its not an option on the poll, but the Garcia signing is something I really don't like. He hasn't developed that much in the past 2 years, doesn't have much of an effect on games, and makes some really stupid decisions on offense. He can get hot and be a spark off the bench, but I don't see him helping much down the road.

When Donte is ready to step in and get some quality minutes, I would rather get rid of Garcia than Nocioni.

 

[CruzDude]

The more I thought about it there were no regrets to any of those dealings as it was all business and salary dumping to get under, way under, the salary cap.

Seems Houston is seeing the real RonRon now as he is rumored to be on the trading block already.

Bibby was tough to lose but needed a change of scenery and seems to have flourished in Atlanta. Those the Kings got, other than the one draft choice, are gone now and out of the cap.

Beno I miss as Bobby is less a PG than is Beno. If he can begin to run the team a bit more and the team lets him up his assists per game, he will be ok. We won't have any choices in any account so lets make the best of him.

 

[bibbinator]

I think firing adelman was the worst move, he was a great teacher and was able to got most out of his players.

Btw: Adelman made some decent role players alot of money, look at guys like tony delk, vernon maxwell, keon clark. These guys came into his system for a year, did well and got paid.

Agree. Good players come and go, but there are very few experienced coaches who know how to get the most out of the available talent. The Maloofs were stupid for blaming the Kings descent on Adelman.

 

[vikinginferno]

Agree. Good players come and go, but there are very few experienced coaches who know how to get the most out of the available talent. The Maloofs were stupid for blaming the Kings descent on Adelman.

I think they realize that now. They thought the Kings should still be a pretty good playoff team when we really should have started rebuilding.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Seems Houston is seeing the real RonRon now as he is rumored to be on the trading block already.

Too late now! The trade deadline has passed and Ron's contract expires at the end of the year.

 

[PoundForPound]

Can somebody tell me how I can add another option to the poll? Or if someone could just do it for me, I would like it to be "Releasing Quincy Douby". Thank you.

 

[VF21]

You cannot add another option to an existing poll, especially one that has pretty much already run its course...

 

[kingsnation]

Too late now! The trade deadline has passed and Ron's contract expires at the end of the year.

Seriously.. who will take a chance on this guy at the end of the year? RonRon is turning out to be the T.O. of the NBA - and he might just end up getting the 1 year/low risk kind of contract like the Bills gave to TO.

 

[jalfa]

Could somebody please give me the link to a story, where Houston expresses frustration about Artest? My, alas limited, perspective only sees Houston on a very nice run, with Artest playing excellent and not appearing to be a problem at all. The last thing I heard was everybody being really angry about T-Macs decision to tell Stephen A. Smith about his microfracture surgery, before telling anybody on Houston's side.

 

[Oprostaj]

Could somebody please give me the link to a story, where Houston expresses frustration about Artest? My, alas limited, perspective only sees Houston on a very nice run, with Artest playing excellent and not appearing to be a problem at all. The last thing I heard was everybody being really angry about T-Macs decision to tell Stephen A. Smith about his microfracture surgery, before telling anybody on Houston's side.

I was going to say the same thing. He hasn't mouthed off, hasn't been a problem, and you can make a case of him being their best and most consistent player. Has played injured, and is putting up good numbers. Where is the discontent here?

 

[venom_7]

You just knew that this would deteriorate into any other Webber discussion.

I still can't believe that people think that it was all that one-sided of a trade. I mean, Philadelphia bought him out - that's how great they thought his contrcat was. He had some sucess with limited minutes in Detroit - but they did not bother to resign him either. He signed for the league minimum at Golden State, but could not even play.

It is not crazy to say that we did not want to pay this guy 20 mil/year for the rest of his contract. I think that many completely under-estimate how bad it would have been had we kept CWebb. It would have been very ugly.

Maybe we should have just bought him out as well. But to keep him in a Kings uniform - ugh, I think that it would have been he** for all - CWebb included.

It is less about having the talent and more about just letting that 20 mil come off of our cap and letting the dude retire a king.

Yeah, we wouldn't have won any games, but look at us now. We would have sped up the process by 20 mil (if Petrie didn't make garbage signings like Moore and Beno.)

 

[rainmaker]

From everything I have heard and read, Houston is much more upset with Tmac than Artest. At least Artest suits up and gives 100% every game, and Artest has been pretty good with the media this year. Artest hasn't been the problem in Houston, its Tmac who is turning into a cancer.

 

[VF21]

Could somebody please give me the link to a story, where Houston expresses frustration about Artest? My, alas limited, perspective only sees Houston on a very nice run, with Artest playing excellent and not appearing to be a problem at all. The last thing I heard was everybody being really angry about T-Macs decision to tell Stephen A. Smith about his microfracture surgery, before telling anybody on Houston's side.

Artest has frequently been the subject of a LOT of frustration. Spend some time reading here.

 

[VF21]

From everything I have heard and read, Houston is much more upset with Tmac than Artest. At least Artest suits up and gives 100% every game, and Artest has been pretty good with the media this year. Artest hasn't been the problem in Houston, its Tmac who is turning into a cancer.

Not entirely correct, especially the part about suiting up for every game. See the message board I linked to in the post above...

RonRon is always going to be a blend of good and bad. He's always going to bring a certain amount of stress to situations simply because that's part of who he is.

 

[CruzDude]

I was going to say the same thing (about RonRon). He hasn't mouthed off, hasn't been a problem, and you can make a case of him being their best and most consistent player. Has played injured, and is putting up good numbers. Where is the discontent here?

My statement was: Seems Houston is seeing the real RonRon now as he is rumored to be on the trading block already.

Discontent was not eluded to nor implied in my thread. But he was on the trade block according to Houston papers just before the trade deadline in February. That's all. The "real" RonRon is just a different kind of player, intense and outspoken, and no matter how good he might be, there seems to be a tolerance level to his "intense and outspokenness" for every team. Why would he be on the trade block and not have the Rockets deny it?

Whether we like it or not the media have stuck on Ron the "Indiana-Detroit fight" cape and used SuperGlue to keep it there and his intense/outspoken nature unfortunately tends to keep it there. Unfair for sure but............

FYI, in Houston, Adelman has a bunch of nice guys who play hard every night (T-Mac notwithstanding) and mesh well including the big banger Scola.