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PoundForPound
Guest
Thus far, of course. Out of the three. Don't forget to explain why, please. 
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D13
Bench
With those choices you're without a doubt setting Beno up for the fall dude... How bout adding some things like the Musselman farce, wasted time rebuilding, loosing Wallace, or Doobie not panning out...
AFAIC; The jury is still out on Beno. His contract is not that bad if he plays like last year, or before just getting hurt. Even better if he can come off the bench behind a new starter and do it...
The Artest trade is still out as well. Give Greene a couple seasons, and lets see what kinda pick we get.
Bibby trade kinda sucked outside of expirings. Sheldon was a waste, but we are getting a chance to see McCants. Jury still out here as well...
AFAIC; The jury is still out on Beno. His contract is not that bad if he plays like last year, or before just getting hurt. Even better if he can come off the bench behind a new starter and do it...
The Artest trade is still out as well. Give Greene a couple seasons, and lets see what kinda pick we get.
Bibby trade kinda sucked outside of expirings. Sheldon was a waste, but we are getting a chance to see McCants. Jury still out here as well...
BritishColumbia
Bench
The Beno thing ... I think no explanations necessary 
nbrans
All-Star
I'd add the Garcia extension, which I think was actually as bad, if not worse, than the Beno signing. Now the Kings have Garcia and Nocioni locked into the SF position at $13 million a year. Great.
It really could have been dealt with in this offseason. And in this market, there's no way Gacia was commanding $5 million a year.
It really could have been dealt with in this offseason. And in this market, there's no way Gacia was commanding $5 million a year.
Emma
Starter
Beno resigning took away so many options for this team. Think we would probably have Kryptonate here if it weren't for our retarded dedication to Beno. Not that we would have traded Beno for him, but the hole at PG would have been desperately large enough to have to really look at a true blockbuster to get some real talent in here.
Heuge
Starter
The Beno and Garcia deals are the ones that make me wonder why people still give this guy a free pass. It seems hard to make excuses for Geoff about these two. Between Garcia, Beno, Noc, these folks are the core of your team for the long term future. That is a recpite for longterm suckage as all are bench players at best.
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Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Ouch, you had to of there, huh? I still cringe everytime I look at the end of the bench and am reminded that Kenny Thomas is still on our payroll. I don't know what's worse, Ralph Sampson's old deal that Bill Russell was so nice to curse us with, or K9's now?!?
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
I'd love to have Nate here over Beno ANY day!
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
hoops4kings
Bench
Yeah, the Webber trade was the biggest goof in retrospect.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
The Beno signing, obviously, the other two weren't even mistakes, they were the sort of thing that Geoff would still have done this February. A harder list would included signing SAR, Mikki, Salmons, extending Garcia, trading for Artest, drafting Douby, signing Muss, signing Theus, and most of our other personnel transactions for the last 3 or 4 years. Our mistakes have usually been in keeping people too long, not in getting rid of them. If you want "getting rid of" errors, you have to go back to the Webber/Wallace period, and then the choices become very easy.
kupman
Starter
You just knew that this would deteriorate into any other Webber discussion.
I still can't believe that people think that it was all that one-sided of a trade. I mean, Philadelphia bought him out - that's how great they thought his contrcat was. He had some sucess with limited minutes in Detroit - but they did not bother to resign him either. He signed for the league minimum at Golden State, but could not even play.
It is not crazy to say that we did not want to pay this guy 20 mil/year for the rest of his contract. I think that many completely under-estimate how bad it would have been had we kept CWebb. It would have been very ugly.
Maybe we should have just bought him out as well. But to keep him in a Kings uniform - ugh, I think that it would have been he** for all - CWebb included.
I still can't believe that people think that it was all that one-sided of a trade. I mean, Philadelphia bought him out - that's how great they thought his contrcat was. He had some sucess with limited minutes in Detroit - but they did not bother to resign him either. He signed for the league minimum at Golden State, but could not even play.
It is not crazy to say that we did not want to pay this guy 20 mil/year for the rest of his contract. I think that many completely under-estimate how bad it would have been had we kept CWebb. It would have been very ugly.
Maybe we should have just bought him out as well. But to keep him in a Kings uniform - ugh, I think that it would have been he** for all - CWebb included.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I agree, although I think Nocioni will help down the road. Nocioni's contract wouldn't be that bad if we didn't have Beno's and Garcia's. Beno has turned out to be a bigger dissapointment than anyone could have ever expected. Garcia never developed into the player most saw him being. He is pretty much the same player he was 3 years ago and I don't see him improving at all.
I don't think either the Bibby trade or the Artest trade were bad at all. I know we didn't get back a ton of value, but we accomplished something with those moves.
I was glad that we re-signed Beno, but that contract looks pretty bad now. It's the Beno signing, hands down, for me.
I was glad that we re-signed Beno, but that contract looks pretty bad now. It's the Beno signing, hands down, for me.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
I voted for The Beno signign but if we have to keep him longterm, we will be able to deal with it. Its obvious hes not a starting point guard and hes trying to fill a role hes not capable of filling, so you have to cut the guy a little slack. He would be a solid back up tho when we do get a real starting PG. Plus throw in the mix that he has had two different coaches while hes been here and an offensive system that always seems to be changing. Cut the guy a little more slack because he really dosent have alot too work with for what we are asking from him.
sidney
Starter
I'm actually a little surprised looking at Beno's numbers:
last year
12.8PTS / 4.3 AST / 2.3TO / .463 FG%
this year
10.9PTS / 4.3AST / 2.2TO / .470 FG%
His scoring is down a little on fewer shots and fewer minutes but it's pretty much the same. And most were high on him last year.
Beno's a placeholder until we get "the guy" this year or next year. At that point we should be able to trade him to someone desperate for a PG.
I agree with nbrans, the Garcia signing is arguably worse and will be harder to get rid of. Especially now that we have Nocioni
last year
12.8PTS / 4.3 AST / 2.3TO / .463 FG%
this year
10.9PTS / 4.3AST / 2.2TO / .470 FG%
His scoring is down a little on fewer shots and fewer minutes but it's pretty much the same. And most were high on him last year.
Beno's a placeholder until we get "the guy" this year or next year. At that point we should be able to trade him to someone desperate for a PG.
I agree with nbrans, the Garcia signing is arguably worse and will be harder to get rid of. Especially now that we have Nocioni
Kings Faithful
Starter
We were high on him because we hadn't realized that was his peak... in his first true year as a young pg averaging 12.8 and 4 isn't that bad, we just expected his numbers to go up, and they went down. So we payed money expecting him to get better and in the end ripped ourselves off.
PoundforPound said:
So you're asking which move will be regretted the most and the choices are similar to:
1. Finally getting rid of your car because you don't want to face having to pay more and more for repairs.
2. Divorcing your hot wife because she was crazy and might have killed you in your sleep.
3. Buying a used car, hoping it will meet all your needs, but finding out it might not run quite as well as you expected.
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vikinginferno
Starter
Trading Mike Bibby and trading Ron Artest weren't bad decisions. What they got wasn't good, but there is no reason we should have kept them. Beno just sucks.
Kingzrool
Starter
Nice. Gotta love Ron Ron.
I agree with the notion that the Garcia re-signing was worse than all three. I do miss the hot wife a little though, she was so much fun at times.
Just for entertainment value, here's the old thread.
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27911
kingsnation
All-Star
fnordius, thanks for posting this. The best one had to be this from an old ESPN chat..
Ok, little did all of us know that we would waste our money on all of those borderline starters AND still get a top 5 pick!!
jalfa
Starter
Had been looking for Beno's numbers as a starter for some time (10 minutes, approximately) got bored and stopped looking. Now I stumble over them in the thread for Beno's signing, where Bricklayer had posted them:
51gms 35.2min 14.4pts (.474 FG% .404 3pt% .861 FT%) 3.5reb 5.0ast 0.9stl 0.1blk
That up there is what I was looking for. When he had not been starting, there was always this "he doesn't feel comfortable, coming off the bench" excuse one gets so used to, being a Kings fan. I wouldn't even have looked for marked improvement, although it would have been welcome and not unexpected, what with him having a full training camp and being more used to his teammates. Of course that didn't happen and now, he just plain sucks and is due to not get better as the team, hopefully, gets a replacement for him soon and relegates him to the bench.
