Bosnian Diehard
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Where did I say that was my criteria? I said Bosh is an All-Star, which he is.
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Where did I say that was my criteria? I said Bosh is an All-Star, which he is.
Yes, and I said that players who have been named All-Stars and "led" their teams to the playoffs is a horrible definition of "franchise changer." Bosh's pre-Miami numbers and accomplishments compare to a pre-injury Vin Baker. I hope you wouldn't call him a franchise changer.
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KingMilz
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Brandon Knight to me could be a interesting trade option as our starting PG. he's struggled for the Bucks but is long athletic and can handle well enough to play the point, maybe the Bucks will do a trade with us involving him for Vasquez + Jimmer and maybe throw it something else for Udoh as well. The Bucks have probs decided to go full tank mode so no need to have him.
Well, at least Knight would only have to guard Kyrie Irving twice a year if he came here.
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KingMilz
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At least we won't have to watch Vasquez defend anyone again in a Kings uniform, plus Knight will fit right in when it comes to hating the CLIPPERS.
I've always liked Brandon Knight. Good shooter, plays hard, developing as a playmaker. Smart kid too. He's coming off a 20, 9, and 8 performance though so I don't think Milwaukee is eager to trade him. If they are rebuilding, guys like Knight and Antetokounmpo who are young and improving will be the last to go. He might be a possible free agency target in a couple years if they don't sign him to an extension.
I'll tell you what: I made the statement that, six and seven games into the season, respectively, it was looking like the rare trade that hurt both teams. Well... fifteen and sixteen games in, respectively, it doesn't quite look like that, any more.
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KingMilz
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He's not even running the team any better imo, he's a average passer and he can't break down a defense and more and more he's taking awful shots. I just don't see how he makes the team better. I admit I was for the trade since I didn't want to overpay Reke but getting a close look at Vasquez he's a product of that Monty Williams system like you guys said. I admit I was badly wrong on that one awful trade. Would have been better off trading for Robin Lopez.
Bricklayer
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Tyreke Evans tonight:
24pts (8-13, 0-1, 8-11) 1reb 7ast 4stl 0blk 1TO
guy Evans traded for:
6pts (2-8, 0-2, 2-2) 1reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
guy drafted who was going to make Evans expendable:
4pts (1-5, 0-2, 2-2) 0reb 0ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
guy who spent money on instead of Reke:
wearing a suit
gee, sure is too bad we don't have an extra talented weapon or two to help out Cuz with. Wonder how come we don't.
Agent23
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Now that he's healthy and Ryan Anderson clearing the paint for him, he's looking extra vicious for the Pelicans. Too bad he was the sacrificial lamb during our bad couple of years with our absentee ownership group.
You're still operating under the huge assumption that Evans and Cousins would have coexisted on the Kings and made each other better.
Glenn
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Glenn
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True dat. Hate to cry over the past but we could have had Robin Lopez. It would break my heart if we could have had Lopez instead of Vasquez. If they are on different teams and it was not possible then my aging heart is safe. Ain't gonna look it up.
BTW, you know I understand where you are coming from but what we don't know is the effect of Malone on Cousins and Evans as a pair. It's too late to be concerned.
Look, if it absolutely had to be either/or, then the right decision was made, without question: allowing for competent management, it is much easier to build a team around a great big than a great little.
Since such things were kept in the locker room, however, there will always be speculation about whether or not it truly had to be either/or. Guys like Brick and myself look at what could have been Shaq/Kobe 2.0, and can't help but be wistful/angry.
Since such things were kept in the locker room, however, there will always be speculation about whether or not it truly had to be either/or. Guys like Brick and myself look at what could have been Shaq/Kobe 2.0, and can't help but be wistful/angry.
That's all true, but you cannot just wipe away the possibility that it was, in fact, an either/or situation just because you (and in this case, Brick) want to believe that it wasn't.
I, for one, am not wiping it away. Just stating that it coming down to a "This town ain't big enough for both of us" situation is, IMO, the only thing that makes the move a a good one. And we don't actually "know" if that's what happened.
Well, I think some do know, even if they aren't saying...
Bricklayer
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Reports are that they were willing to offer Reke an $8mil/yr contract. If there was some destructive conflict there offering him an $8mil contract wouldn't have made much sense, no?
Its very convenient to just assume in a conflict when it serves as justification. Unfortunately it doesn't match the facts as known anymore than we're going to build with youth...but offer a huge contract to Igoudala makes sense.
Agreed. Reke seems to be an extremely mellow sort and not a chemistry wrecker. The front office was willing to keep him. Playing styles absolutely could have meshed and we aren't in a position to only have one "star-level" talent. At this point, we probably misplayed things.
Agent23
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It'll be awhile before I get over what could have been. We had answer at the 1 for the Russell Westbrooks of the world but the previous management got impatient and sent him to the corner. They should have left him at the 1 and given him the time to learn how to run a team.
What burns me up the most about it is that we never got to see what they could do under competent leadership. If we could have gotten even forty games out of Evans and Cousins under a real coach, even just until the trade deadline, and the front office still determined that it wasn't going to work, then you just shake your head and move on, at that point.
I feel like I was cheated out of closure.
I feel like I was cheated out of closure.
The play wasn't made "at this point", it was made then. "Then" it was a tough decision that I would have supported. The rest, water over the dam. Fun for folks to talk about. I've moved on.
rainmaker
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For how much confidence you appear to have regarding Malone, I'm shocked you keep posting this. It appears you have confidence in Malone in regards to every decision he makes, often giving him the benefit of the doubt, yet you keep posting that Reke/Cuz could not exist.
A dominant big and a guard who can create and get to the rim when needed has long been a blueprint for success in this league. It's been proven successful time and time again in NBA cities across this nation. The reasons why have been regurgitated repeatedly so no point to get into that at this time but I see no reason to assume they couldn't have had success, especially without being given a chance under a legit NBA head coach.
Reke and Cuz were friends. Reke showed he was an ultimate team player, to a fault actually, not only taking a backseat to Cuz but often taking a backseat to our entire offense, or getting benched for long stretches. Yet he still wanted to be a King. I see no evidence to suggest they couldn't coexist nor that Reke wouldn't willingly take a backseat to Cuz.
We have no one currently who can get to the rim in the halfcourt with any regularity. We have no 1v1 players who can get a shot when Cuz is loaded up on or on the bench. We resort to long stretches of jacking up jumpers without any presence in the paint. Our guards currently are incapable of penetrating, drawing defenders and creating passing lanes to our shooters. Our backcourt is getting abused on a nightly basis as none of our guards have shown they're even average defensively. How can a player who can do those things not coexist with Cuz, Malone or this team when that's the exact type of player(s) most agree we need to add to this roster?
I'd also add, Reke/Cuz running the two man game was one of the few bright spots from all of last season.
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KingMilz
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Trade Vasquez for Brandon Rush, give Ray a go and also we get our defender and Utah gets a PG who will not help them win but help maybe teach Trey Burke a few things.
So far Rush has demonstrated at all that he can come back from his injury and its not like he was that dominant before. If we turn Reke into Landry/Rush, I'll be severely disappointed.
Agent23
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Since he has gotten healthy, he actually has been an impact player and in a majority of the games has been their 2nd best player along with having to guard the best perimeter player on the opposing team and run their 2nd unit with Ryan Anderson. That Pelicans squad is at .500 right now in the toughest division in the NBA.
Agent23
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I'd vomit.
Chubbs
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Tyreke is playing very well right now. He was hurt at the start and with a new team. He's an impact player on any team in this league. We miss him tremendously. He could start at pg and we'd be a better team.
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