What position on the Kings roster is most weak?

The perfect person we could get would be Rasheed Walace. Maybe they will be willing to trade him if and this is a big if Milicic can replace him. Detriot needs to get minutes for him anyway and if he is a good as Dumars thinks maybe Wallace can be tradeable. I know I am dreaming but I can see Wallace as perfect PF we need. He defends he rebounds and blocks shots.
 
I think this is going to be one of the most active off seasons in a while. Maybe not superstar names but just in overall turnover. Plenty of good players, not stars but mid level players will be out there for the pickens. I am glad we have Petrie on our side.
 
Double E said:
What the heck has he done since he's been in the league. Could there be a more overrated free agent?


Tyson Chandler is in the top 10 for offensive rebounds, top 15 in blocks and rebounds, and he plays fewer minutes than many of the players ahead of him in those stats. Granted stats aren't everything, but Chandler has size, youth, and has shown strength in the areas Sac is weak in. Plus he can be obtained if there's a qualifying offer. His salary at the moment is around $6 million/year and that's not too bad. So it's not a surprise his name comes up.
 
Double E said:
What the heck has he done since he's been in the league. Could there be a more overrated free agent?

That's the point, he hasn't done anything in the league until this year, he is still barely 22. He's 7'2'' with mobility as if he is a foot shorter then that, he hustles relentlessly and plays tough defense.

He is actually underrated. Totally under the radar unless you are Bulls fan or live in Chicago.
 
When it comes to getting new players to take a starting position the only names that come to my mind are ...

Tyson Chandler (C/PF)

He's already been talked about. It will be tough for the Kings since I'm sure there are other teams that are going to give him a good offer. It would be great to have two 7 ft guys on the team. One of them can pass, rebound, and score and the other can brings athleticism, rebounding, and shot blocking.

Ron Artest (SF/SG)

He's psycho, but he's defense. He's young and if he plays like he did earlier this season he's worth more than the money he is getting. My only fear is him not being in synch with the rest of the offense and taking bad shots. However, the upside of having Artest is too good. Even if he were not to fit in with the Kings, I think he will always have value (unless of course he something crazier), since every team could use a player like him. This would require a trade though.


Larry Hughes (SG)

He can defend, score, and rebound. Only problem is that he's expected to get a huge deal after this season and that would make it almost impossible for the Kings to sign him.


Corey Maggette (SG/SF)

Maggette can defend and score. He's in the top 5 for free throws made and attempted. There were rumors that the Clippers may trade him. His contract isn't as expensive as someone like Pierce and he is young, athletic, and has skills that the Kings are in need of. This would require a trade since he's under contract.
 
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King4Life said:
Corey Maggette (SG/SF)

Maggette can defend and score. He's in the top 5 for free throws made and attempted. There were rumors that the Clippers may trade him. His contract isn't as expensive as someone like Pierce and he is young, athletic, and has skills that the Kings are in need of. This would require a trade since he's under contract.

I think this is the guy that the Kings need and could have a shot to get in the offseason. The Kings are missing a guy that can get to the line at will and this guy would be perfect at the 2 spot.
 
AleksandarN said:
The perfect person we could get would be Rasheed Walace. Maybe they will be willing to trade him if and this is a big if Milicic can replace him.


HAHAHAHA!!! LOL. No way that happens.

Weakest positions:

PF-Physically
SF-Mentally
SG-Size

We need to add toughness at all those spots. I would target Bobby Simmons in the off-season with the MLE, and try a sign and trade for Chandler by dangling Peja+Corliss. With the uncertainty of Curry, I doubt the Bulls move Chandler though.
 
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One can always dream.....



My favorite dream scenario is to trade Jackson, Mobley, Peja, and Thomas for KG, Wally, and Hudson. Sports Illustrated said it's likely the Minny will put KG on the market instead of going through the expensive process of rebuilding around him. They also said whoever makes a trade for KG will also have to take Wally and Hudson.

Starters: Bibby, House, Evans, Miller, KG.
Bench: Hudson, (new player), Williamson, Songaila, Skinner, Ostertag.
 
chandler and artest is nice... but so is boozer and artest.... or maybe chandler and maggette..... which ever way we go.... mobley, thomas, corliss and possibly skinner are gone this summer....
 
Venom said:
HAHAHAHA!!! LOL. No way that happens.

Weakest positions:

PF-Physically
SF-Mentally
SG-Size

We need to add toughness at all those spots. I would target Bobby Simmons in the off-season with the MLE, and try a sign and trade for Chandler by dangling Peja+Corliss. With the uncertainty of Curry, I doubt the Bulls move Chandler though.

Actually, issues with Curry's health make it almost certain that both Curry and Chandler will be retained (neither will get max contract from desperate team such as Atlanta). Besides, we have nothing that will fit Bulls if Skiles is extended. Skiles likes Pedja and they go way back, but he has some awesome, cheap SF's on that team (Nocione and Deng).
 
they are not giving up deng.... its funny though... all of their players are free agents.... except for the players still under their rookie contract.... deng, gordon, nocione, kirk....
 
AriesMar27 said:
they are not giving up deng.... its funny though... all of their players are free agents.... except for the players still under their rookie contract.... deng, gordon, nocione, kirk....

That's what I meant to say - they have no need for Pedja or any other SF. This summer will be super-interesting for me: Waiting to see what Petrie does, while I live in the city whith most players that I covet (Chicago). :)

I can't wait for the game tomorrow.... I am getting way ahead of myself already.
 
PF, We have an All-star center all we need is a servicable back up(semi-athletic and at least 6' 11" would be nice) and we are strong there. PG we have Bibby and Bobby, no problems there. SG is definately next on the list though... Cat doesn't fit the system, and is not capable of stopping anybody(at least not consistantly). But really what is lacking more than anything is leadership and chemistry, we traded that away, and it will be tough to get back. We also need people that can actually pass well, and see the court(at PF and SG), if we are ever going to see "Kings basketball" as we knew it again.
 
power forward-
Darius, Skinner, Kenny Thomas, Corliss....
Nope, no C.Webbs or K. Malones in this group. they're all relatively small, slow, and unathletic. We need a better pf or at least another player that HAS to be double teamed so we can make passes to the open man.
 
Venom said:
I would target Bobby Simmons in the off-season with the MLE, and try a sign and trade for Chandler by dangling Peja+Corliss. With the uncertainty of Curry, I doubt the Bulls move Chandler though.

Chandler is a free agent, so the Bulls really can't stop him from going anywhere. They can, however, decide that he's a critical part of their new resurgence and offer him a big long-term contract that he can't refuse.

That goes for almost every big name free agent this summer- they're all parts of young teams on the upswing of rebuilding movements, each of them with the potential to turn into an elite team in 2-4 years. (see: wizards, bulls, cavs, even the clippers to some extent) That means those teams will heavily bid for their guys to re-sign, making it hell on a team like the Kings trying to reload an avoid a rebuilding phase. With all the uncertainty in Sactown, it's not going to be a prime spot for free agents to land, at least for one offseason, so I'm going to have to say our best bet is through the trade route.

One thing to consider- this team has been built entirely through the draft and trades, NOT signing big free agents. FAs coming off big seasons always get overpaid, and frequently don't deliver the glory they were supposed to bring with them. Look at the way our team has been built:
Bibby, via trade for J-Will, who arrived through the draft.
K9, Nasty, Skinner, traded for C-Webb, aquired through trades.
Peja, drafted
Miller: traded from Indiana for Hedo and Pollard.
Mobley: trade from Orlando for Doug Christie. Christie did arrive in Sac as a free agent, although he was not exactly the big free agent catch that people think we should go after.

There are always more teams willing to trade talent than talent willing to bargain on a decent contract. For a team like the Kings without a lot of cap room, the choice is either gamble on a free agent who might not pan out or make a trade for more proven talent. Guys like Chandler are pretty much out of the question to ink a contract with the Kings. I like the idea of the Artest trade, or any trade to give us some defense and intensity, but definetely not overspending on a big name free agent.
 
King4Life said:
Ron Artest (SF/SG)

He's psycho, but he's defense. He's young and if he plays like he did earlier this season he's worth more than the money he is getting. My only fear is him not being in synch with the rest of the offense and taking bad shots. However, the upside of having Artest is too good. Even if he were not to fit in with the Kings, I think he will always have value (unless of course he something crazier), since every team could use a player like him. This would require a trade thoug

Everyone needs a second chance. Some a 3rd and 4th. Sooner or later they usually get it right. Look at C. Webb. A huge risk when we got him but look what he did for us.
Question? How, with our salary cap, are we going to get a IMPACT player that can make a difference on our team. We have to find a way to take advantage by taking a risk. At this point, I'll give Ron Artest a try.
 
Team Dime said:
One can always dream.....



My favorite dream scenario is to trade Jackson, Mobley, Peja, and Thomas for KG, Wally, and Hudson. Sports Illustrated said it's likely the Minny will put KG on the market instead of going through the expensive process of rebuilding around him. They also said whoever makes a trade for KG will also have to take Wally and Hudson.

Starters: Bibby, House, Evans, Miller, KG.
Bench: Hudson, (new player), Williamson, Songaila, Skinner, Ostertag.

Ring it up...I'm in. I think we'd be stupid not to take a good look at ways to get KG. The only thing that would be a sticking point is that then the T-Wolves would have a problem at PF...and they've already got problems at center.
 
D-Mass said:
Ring it up...I'm in. I think we'd be stupid not to take a good look at ways to get KG. The only thing that would be a sticking point is that then the T-Wolves would have a problem at PF...and they've already got problems at center.

That's where the genius of Petrie comes in handy.
 
D-Mass said:
Ring it up...I'm in. I think we'd be stupid not to take a good look at ways to get KG. The only thing that would be a sticking point is that then the T-Wolves would have a problem at PF...and they've already got problems at center.

You don't think they'd like an undersized Kenny Thomas at PF? :)

Problems at Center? Don't they still have Kandi and Earvin Johnson? Not that either of them is great, but they can be servicable in a league lacking centers.
 
Team Dime said:
You don't think they'd like an undersized Kenny Thomas at PF? :)

Problems at Center? Don't they still have Kandi and Earvin Johnson? Not that either of them is great, but they can be servicable in a league lacking centers.

Like I said, they've got problems at center...
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captain bill said:
Chandler is a free agent, so the Bulls really can't stop him from going anywhere. They can, however, decide that he's a critical part of their new resurgence and offer him a big long-term contract that he can't refuse.

That goes for almost every big name free agent this summer- they're all parts of young teams on the upswing of rebuilding movements, each of them with the potential to turn into an elite team in 2-4 years. (see: wizards, bulls, cavs, even the clippers to some extent) That means those teams will heavily bid for their guys to re-sign, making it hell on a team like the Kings trying to reload an avoid a rebuilding phase. With all the uncertainty in Sactown, it's not going to be a prime spot for free agents to land, at least for one offseason, so I'm going to have to say our best bet is through the trade route.

One thing to consider- this team has been built entirely through the draft and trades, NOT signing big free agents. FAs coming off big seasons always get overpaid, and frequently don't deliver the glory they were supposed to bring with them. Look at the way our team has been built:
Bibby, via trade for J-Will, who arrived through the draft.
K9, Nasty, Skinner, traded for C-Webb, aquired through trades.
Peja, drafted
Miller: traded from Indiana for Hedo and Pollard.
Mobley: trade from Orlando for Doug Christie. Christie did arrive in Sac as a free agent, although he was not exactly the big free agent catch that people think we should go after.

There are always more teams willing to trade talent than talent willing to bargain on a decent contract. For a team like the Kings without a lot of cap room, the choice is either gamble on a free agent who might not pan out or make a trade for more proven talent. Guys like Chandler are pretty much out of the question to ink a contract with the Kings. I like the idea of the Artest trade, or any trade to give us some defense and intensity, but definetely not overspending on a big name free agent.

I agree that Chandler is pretty much out of the question. With Miller, Corliss, Thomas, and Skinner having high paid contracts that aren't expiring anytime soon, I guess the Kings can do nothing about the C/PF position. However I hope Petrie gets somebody that's under the radar who has some defensive skills in the paint if nothing else.

I think the Kings would have a shot at getting Artest and/or Maggette. The Clippers might keep Bobby Simmons, so Maggette might be on the trading block. It's wishful thinking, but trading Peja for Maggette and then signing and trading Mobley for Artest would be okay with me. I'd be willing to throw in a little more for Artest if I had to. I'd definitely like to see at least one of these guys on the Kings roster next season.
 
If we keep our core together we have

Bibby PG
Miller C
Peja SF

The other spots are clearly our weakest, as the players aren't as talented, and don't fit the roles we need them to. With our current core, the PF and SG need to be defensive and athletic.

There will be changes this summer. That's what Thomas, Corliss, and Skinner are for.
 
Team Dime said:
Starters: Bibby, House, Evans, Miller, KG.
Bench: Hudson, (new player), Williamson, Songaila, Skinner, Ostertag.
Replace the 6'4" Mobley with the 6'1" House? What, we don't have enough matchup problems already? Our backcourt isn't small enough for you? And where is Szczerbiak in your "dream lineup?" I hope we trade a him for a SF if we're not keeping him... If that situation where to actually happen, I'd much rather start Evans at SG and Szczerbiak at SF. Unless...




I doubt that the Clippers are going to be able to keep Simmons and Maggette, so Simmons might be worth taking a look at. Insert him into your "dream lineup," Team Dime, and it looks a lot better.
 
The word is that KG's knee injury was a lot worse than the team was saying, and he's never been spectacular in the playoffs. Sure, the guy "looks" intense, but I don't know that his play always reflects his reputation. Couple that with, I believe, the biggest contract in the league and a bum knee, and I have a hard time figuring out how exactly he is different from C-Webb.

I would sign-and-trade for Chandler first. Get that guy back in California. We would have to dangle Peja, but Kenny Thomas could play some small forward. For Tyson, he gets to become a featured part of what has been a dominant offense, in his home state, with the chance to become THE go-to guy in this organization. Remember, he just needs to make the Bulls believe that he'll go anyway, and they'll get nothing in return.
 
Venom said:
The word is that KG's knee injury was a lot worse than the team was saying, and he's never been spectacular in the playoffs. Sure, the guy "looks" intense, but I don't know that his play always reflects his reputation. Couple that with, I believe, the biggest contract in the league and a bum knee, and I have a hard time figuring out how exactly he is different from C-Webb.

I would sign-and-trade for Chandler first. Get that guy back in California. We would have to dangle Peja, but Kenny Thomas could play some small forward. For Tyson, he gets to become a featured part of what has been a dominant offense, in his home state, with the chance to become THE go-to guy in this organization. Remember, he just needs to make the Bulls believe that he'll go anyway, and they'll get nothing in return.

KG not spectacular in the playoffs? Were you sleeping last year????
:eek:
 
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