What is going on in the 49ers HQ ?

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Bibby_Is_Clutch

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No doubt it wasnt a smart thing to do and obviously wasnt planned out and I agree with you 100% there and believe me I do see the problem in the video with the sexism and racism but I personally have a hard time taking it seriously when I know it isnt real. I also dont think this was the right way to get a message across to rookies but I can understand as Im sure you can to that they did it to try and make the rookies laugh while they "learn".
 
PixelPusher

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As someone who watches and laughs at shows like Southpark, Chappelle Show and Farrelly Brothers movies, I don't believe there is any subject that is comedically "off limits"; it just depends on the execution and underlying intent. However...

...this 49er video didn't even draw so much as a smirk from me. It was akward and embarrassing.
 
C Diddy

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Satire a. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
b. The branch of literature constituting such works. See Synonyms at caricature.
2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.

This video fits the definition perfectly. All of the people shown in the video were in on the joke. Kirk Reynolds wasn't making fun of a stereotypical asian man but a respected asian man who happens to be the a trainer for the 49ers agreed to act the comedic role. It's purpose is as a comedy. You can watch Saturday Night Live, The Simpsons, South Park, etc all using the literary vice of satire for entertainment. Obviously not everyone is going to approve. Each is entitled to his or her opinion. The 49ers obviously knew the targeted demographic for their video did not incude the public and it was not released for public viewing. They provided a courtesy that NBC, FOX and Comedy Central don't do with their controversial hits. This is much ado about nothing, as far as Im concerned. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, whether they are 16, 24, middle aged, white, black, male, or female. Everyone will relate to this differently. Some will see it for what it is and others will see it as offensive. I'm not trying to convince anyone that what they did is acceptable. My own opinion, however, remains the same as my original post in this thread. The person who released it to the Chronicle did it with the intentions of bringing down an organization, not in the interest of promoting decency in the workplace.
 
C Diddy

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I took this excerpt off the gorillamask home page and wanted to share:

The content isn't offensive unless you want to be offended. The nudity and cursing aren't anything worse than you'd see in an R rated movie, and the knocks on the groups mentioned above aren't anything we haven't seen during primetime television. Seinfeld, the most celebrated sitcom in American history, reeled off every single Chinese stereotype in the "Donna Chang" episode. And there's not a joke in this video that would be censored if a similar segment ran on Chappelle's Show. Nope, not when there's money to be made. It would hit the air, hit the air the next time Dave went bonkers, hit the air during the "Best Of" show, and then be put on DVD. If the media is going to call this offensive, they shouldn't go after the guy trying to get a bunch of numbskull athletes to pay attention to an important message. They should go after the guys making these jokes and laughing all the way to the bank...

...The San Francisco Chronicle is now an incredibly hypocritical news source. They break a story about an offensive video, slam the guy in charge of it for using stereotypes as a cheap form of entertainment, and then what do they do? They put the same video up on their website, exploiting the very same content to attract visitors. If they genuinely felt this was offensive and insulting, they wouldn't be begging everyone to watch it.



 
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C Diddy - Satire doesn't have to rely on nudity, off-color racial jokes, etc. The best satire actually requires someone with intelligence to write and appreciate. And it doesn't have to depend on the cheap and the shallow...
 
Bibby_Is_Clutch

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I dont think everyone is ever going to agree on this subject so why keep it open? Unless a pointless debate will continue that really has to do with how you feel as a person towards humor, etc like this.
 
Bibby_Is_Clutch

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C Diddy said:
I took this excerpt off the gorillamask home page and wanted to share:

The content isn't offensive unless you want to be offended. The nudity and cursing aren't anything worse than you'd see in an R rated movie, and the knocks on the groups mentioned above aren't anything we haven't seen during primetime television. Seinfeld, the most celebrated sitcom in American history, reeled off every single Chinese stereotype in the "Donna Chang" episode. And there's not a joke in this video that would be censored if a similar segment ran on Chappelle's Show. Nope, not when there's money to be made. It would hit the air, hit the air the next time Dave went bonkers, hit the air during the "Best Of" show, and then be put on DVD. If the media is going to call this offensive, they shouldn't go after the guy trying to get a bunch of numbskull athletes to pay attention to an important message. They should go after the guys making these jokes and laughing all the way to the bank...

...The San Francisco Chronicle is now an incredibly hypocritical news source. They break a story about an offensive video, slam the guy in charge of it for using stereotypes as a cheap form of entertainment, and then what do they do? They put the same video up on their website, exploiting the very same content to attract visitors. If they genuinely felt this was offensive and insulting, they wouldn't be begging everyone to watch it.
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I like that.
 
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Fillmoe

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the video was not meant for anyone else to see but the 49ers players..... im sure some of yall have made videos that you dont want anyone else to see........ ;)
 
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Fillmoe said:
the video was not meant for anyone else to see but the 49ers players..... im sure some of yall have made videos that you dont want anyone else to see........ ;)
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You mean like Paris Hilton? Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee? Etc.?

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I think Bibby_Is_Clutch is correct. This topic is quickly getting into areas that are not sports related. This is the type of thing we quit allowing around here because people got too emotionally invested in the subject and it spilled over onto the regular forums.
 
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loopymitch

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You have to remember who this was created for. I'm sure it had a bigger impact and got it's point across much more than some guy just standing there talking. I'm not saying it's right but it was created for a reason and I'm sure it got the players attention.
I've been reading what everybody said and you all make valid points. COnsidering what's on TV every day and that the people involved were in on the joke I really don't see any harm in it. It's unfortunate it got leaked to the press but that kind of thing happens a lot.
It's a learning tool and I have to admit a pretty creative one.
 
Bibby_Is_Clutch

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If you ask me this has nothing to do with the actuall play of the 49ers but just some guy who made the video. Therefor we are just sitting here and debating whether he was correct or incorrect in making the video.
 
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VF21 said:
If that was shown to a group of state employees, there would be heads rolling all over the capital.

What's the difference?
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It may not be shown to them but they still joke about the same things.

The only segment I found amusing was 6 of 8. I enjoyed the interview part and how to deal with the media. The mayor was hilarious at the end with all the hecklers. I thank god he is not my mayor though.
 
Bibby_Is_Clutch

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thesanityannex said:
It may not be shown to them but they still joke about the same things.

The only segment I found amusing was 6 of 8. I enjoyed the interview part and how to deal with the media. The mayor was hilarious at the end with all the hecklers. I thank god he is not my mayor though.
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You understand he isnt REALLY the mayor of San Francisco right?
 
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if i have to explain my joke, it kind of takes away from it being a joke. nevermind.
 
Bibby_Is_Clutch

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thesanityannex said:
if i have to explain my joke, it kind of takes away from it being a joke. nevermind.
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Can you please explain your joke?

Because he is nothing like the mayor so by saying "but he acts similar" is a joke how? Its more like a statement that the real mayor is a sexist and racist man which he is definitly not.

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yes, but he acts similar. that was the joke.
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Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
I dont think everyone is ever going to agree on this subject so why keep it open? Unless a pointless debate will continue that really has to do with how you feel as a person towards humor, etc like this.
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And look who is still debating it.
 
Bibby_Is_Clutch

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And look who is still debating it.
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Excuse me? That "humor" that I'm reffering to is that of the guy in the video.

Im not going to argue about your shot at the mayor. It wasnt funny and you obviously havent seen his reaction to the video.
 
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