What is George Karl's style?

great post thankyou VF.

i swear we need him but the more i read about his 'style' the more im scratching my head and looking at our roster wondering how it will work out. Its quite clearly in line with vivek and PDAs uptempo regime. The fact they havent hired him yet when hes the most respectable coach for the style they want to impose speaks volumes about their absolute incompetence.

it was interesting in the yahoo sports report that he promised to focus soley on the coaching aspect and not on roster/front office moves which i soley doubt is sustainable. It may get him in the door but thats the extent of it.

I honestly have my reservations. He will be better then what we have currently but i dont see this going down well at all. Happy to be wrong. Boogie has more or less walked when his contract is up and unless this coaching move proves miraculous then any hope we have of clawing him back goes with the next coaching hire. It would be worth revisiting Boogies reluctance to partner up with Karl as expressed through his agent/people if i was ownership/management.
 
Karl will get in your face if you don't give maximum effort. Can't imagine that being a problem with Boogie. Fegan should do his homework more carefully especially if this dumb ass knows that.
 
well based on his numbers when he was in Denver they were scoring 105+ a night but at the same time giving up a bit too much on the other side of the ball
 
It's a shame bridges get burned, as I wouldn't mind the return of Rick Adelman - by far, the best coach Sacramento ever had.

And he knows how to coach a more uptempo style, yet knows how to utilize a low-post player.
 
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Just saw an article saying the hiring is diminishing, and the Boogie camp is against it. The fact that his entourage has any input is a major concern. If he wants to win and taste playoff basketball, he needs to grow up and check his agents.
 
kingsboi said:
well based on his numbers when he was in Denver they were scoring 105+ a night but at the same time giving up a bit too much on the other side of the ball
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And based on his numbers when he was in Seattle you'd think he was a Malone style, defense first coach. One of Karl's biggest strengths is his ability to adapt to his personnel and still be effective.

Shaqfuey said:
It's a shame bridges get burned, as I wouldn't mind the return of Rick Adelman - by far, the best coach Sacramento ever had.

And he knows how to coach a more uptempo style, yet knows how to utilize a low-post player.
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I could be wrong but I think Adelman is done as an NBA head coach. One of the few guys that I think honestly left coaching to spend more time with his family. but yeah, if RA wanted the gig I'd love to have him back.

But before Malone's firing one idea I floated a couple times was Adelman taking on a Coachie like role with the Kings. Not always traveling, more of an adviser than an assistant coach who was just helping to integrate an offensive system to pair with Malone's defensive focus.
 
funkykingston said:
And based on his numbers when he was in Seattle you'd think he was a Malone style, defense first coach. One of Karl's biggest strengths is his ability to adapt to his personnel and still be effective.

I could be wrong but I think Adelman is done as an NBA head coach. One of the few guys that I think honestly left coaching to spend more time with his family. but yeah, if RA wanted the gig I'd love to have him back.

But before Malone's firing one idea I floated a couple times was Adelman taking on a Coachie like role with the Kings. Not always traveling, more of an adviser than an assistant coach who was just helping to integrate an offensive system to pair with Malone's defensive focus.
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Rick is from the former regime. All things from the former regime must be purged.

#3.0 baby
 
Glenn said:
Karl will get in your face if you don't give maximum effort. Can't imagine that being a problem with Boogie. Fegan should do his homework more carefully especially if this dumb ass knows that.
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Fegan has been an agent for 20 years in the NBA. He's currently got at least 3 clients (Corey Brewer, Wilson Chandler, Al Harrington) who I think have played for Karl. I don't pretend to know what the nature of the objection might be, but I'm quite sure its not based on ignorance. You get a major agent like Fegan and they are some of the most tapped guys in the league. Represent players on almost every team, routinely deal with every GM. I'd pay good money to hear his stories. At the moment I am most curious about just this one though.

Its quite clear to me why Boogie and Karl might not work. But given the extreme damage being done to the franchise and his client, a mere recognition of the same problems I can foresee cannot be enough to fight to nix a hire. There has to be more. Cuz himself with a beef with Karl. Fegan with a better option planned. Something.

This BTW is all assuming there is even any objection and not some more B.S. from our hot air front office either trying to make excuses, or more saavily, trying to drive down Karl's price.
 
they'll lose Karl to the magic and the mistake is not even that. The mistake was setting Malone on his way that was the mistake. Hire Karl if you must though trade boogie and gay whilst they hold value. We could get 3 top 5 picks if we are smart with it
 
Bricklayer said:
Its quite clear to me why Boogie and Karl might not work. But given the extreme damage being done to the franchise and his client, a mere recognition of the same problems I can foresee cannot be enough to fight to nix a hire. There has to be more. Cuz himself with a beef with Karl. Fegan with a better option planned. Something.

This BTW is all assuming there is even any objection and not some more B.S. from our hot air front office either trying to make excuses, or more saavily, trying to drive down Karl's price.
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If the Karl hiring does not go down, I would think the reason be along the lines of bolded. I would think it not a beef with Karl, but a confidence that an alliance with the leadership (term applied loosely) of this org is decidedly not in his client's best interest.

Fegan is ruthless. He will absolutely put Cousins in the best situation he can. He has zero fidelity to Sacramento. If the Kings don't MAKE THEMSELVES the best place for Cousins' HOF career... as I've said before, we don't deserve him.
 
The Hammer said:
If the Karl hiring does not go down, I would think the reason be along the lines of bolded. I would think it not a beef with Karl, but a confidence that an alliance with the leadership (term applied loosely) of this org is decidedly not in his client's best interest.

Fegan is ruthless. He will absolutely put Cousins in the best situation he can. He has zero fidelity to Sacramento. If the Kings don't MAKE THEMSELVES the best place for Cousins' HOF career... as I've said before, we don't deserve him.
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Fegan is also the agent for John Wall. Ahem.


Still, that would not explain why the agent would even bother to object. If he was just going to take Cuz away anyway, who cares who we hire? We're on our own. If anything him objecting should give hope that our situation still matters to them. If we keep on making it worse, one day it won't, but for now, they are trying to fix things for their client here.
 
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well he still has a few years on his contract which is the defining issue here. this time next year it wont matter but for now we are still a salvageable experiment for Boogie to get his rings and HOF career at. In 12 months time that wont be the case which is why the next hire is so important if we do want to salvage something and not just tread water here otherwise hell with it. Go for Vivek 3.0 trade what doesnt work and build a roster around what does*

*not advocating however its pointless playing a system that doesnt suit us or boogie to see him walk in a few seasons time and stick us where we are now.
 
Bricklayer said:
Fegan is also the agent for John Wall. Ahem.


Still, that would not explain why the agent would even bother to object. If he was just going to take Cuz away anyway, who cares who we hire? We're on our own. If anything him objecting should give hope that our situation still matters to them. If we keep on making it worse, one day it won't, but for now, they are trying to fix things for their client here.
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Yeah, but I don't know what their exit strategy is or even could be. I can't even begin to speculate. Maybe they don't want Karl here for reasons we don't know about but still include getting Cousins out of town...
 
Sac.1989 said:
they'll lose Karl to the magic and the mistake is not even that. The mistake was setting Malone on his way that was the mistake. Hire Karl if you must though trade boogie and gay whilst they hold value. We could get 3 top 5 picks if we are smart with it
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Unreal just unreal I'm at a loss of words.
 
Sac.1989 said:
they'll lose Karl to the magic and the mistake is not even that. The mistake was setting Malone on his way that was the mistake. Hire Karl if you must though trade boogie and gay whilst they hold value. We could get 3 top 5 picks if we are smart with it
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Boogie and Rudy's value isn't going anywhere.

The rep of the FO is what has taken a hit, which means the offers will be weak since the FO has displayed such consistent idiocy. Some smart GM should be looking to pounce on this dysfunction and walk away with a star for spare parts.

Man, I just realized I've already determined Boogie is all but gone. And it's a relief.
 
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Sac.1989 said:
they'll lose Karl to the magic and the mistake is not even that. The mistake was setting Malone on his way that was the mistake. Hire Karl if you must though trade boogie and gay whilst they hold value. We could get 3 top 5 picks if we are smart with it
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If Karl is not perfect, who should we get as a coach? I can't believe this crap hole team would turn down a future hall of fame coach, a guy who has not lost more than half his games in two decades. If Karl is not acceptable to Fegan, what can he do about it? Boogie is signed to the Kings in a deal negotiated by Fegan a whole year ago. If he doesn't like Karl, he can stay home and save the Kings some money. In the mean time, while Boogie is twiddling his thumbs at home, he might meet Karl some time, perhaps casually bump into him in the street. Maybe they would like each other and maybe they wouldn't. I will guarantee you one thing, if Boogie refuses to play for the coach of the Kings, George Karl, his reputation will go further into the trash can and he will miss one or two years of basketball, which, as I understand, is what he enjoys, and he will lose a lot of money.
 
Glenn said:
If Karl is not perfect, who should we get as a coach? I can't believe this poopoo hole team would turn down a future hall of fame coach, a guy who has not lost more than half his games in two decades. If Karl is not acceptable to Fegan, what can he do about it? Boogie is signed to the Kings in a deal negotiated by Fegan a whole year ago. If he doesn't like Karl, he can stay home and save the Kings some money. In the mean time, while Boogie is twiddling his thumbs at home, he might meet Karl some time, perhaps casually bump into him in the street. Maybe they would like each other and maybe they wouldn't. I will guarantee you one thing, if Boogie refuses to play for the coach of the Kings, George Karl, his reputation will go further into the trash can and he will miss one or two years of basketball, which, as I understand, is what he enjoys, and he will lose a lot of money.
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From the bee:

"Of course my name is going to get thrown into it. I’m the franchise centerpiece,” Cousins said. “I’m waiting just like you guys. It’s always going to be he say-she say. Until you hear it from the horse’s mouth, that’s what it’s going to be.”

Cousins declined to speak more about the situation, but if he had the clout he reportedly has, Malone would not have been fired.


Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article9545291.html#storylink=cpy
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It's that simple, if Boogie had this clout, Malone is still here.

If you believe Boogie is calling the shots now, then he must have gotten Malone fired too and chosen Corbin, right?

The article goes on to repeat what Voisin said yesterday, that the sticking point is MONEY.

It's always money. And time.

Sources indicated Karl’s compensation remains a sticking point and no deal is imminent. But the suddenly aggressive pursuit of Karl is a change after the Kings did not reach out to him in this manner after firing Malone.
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It does depend whose source you believe. The one in which the Kings superstar's rep gets smeared by his own front office seems the least likely. I really think it's just a ploy to shift blame. That's the narrative that will go national though, cause everyone already believes crazy things about Boogie.

They weren't even looking at Karl until the Magic made their move and now he's the only option apparently, and boogie is ruining it for everyone?

Doesn't sound plausible to me. Hate to say it, but this is how you soften the fan base up for them to trade Boogie. Blame him for their own incompetence. It's dirty.
 
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Glenn said:
If Karl is not perfect, who should we get as a coach? I can't believe this poopoo hole team would turn down a future hall of fame coach, a guy who has not lost more than half his games in two decades. If Karl is not acceptable to Fegan, what can he do about it? Boogie is signed to the Kings in a deal negotiated by Fegan a whole year ago. If he doesn't like Karl, he can stay home and save the Kings some money. In the mean time, while Boogie is twiddling his thumbs at home, he might meet Karl some time, perhaps casually bump into him in the street. Maybe they would like each other and maybe they wouldn't. I will guarantee you one thing, if Boogie refuses to play for the coach of the Kings, George Karl, his reputation will go further into the trash can and he will miss one or two years of basketball, which, as I understand, is what he enjoys, and he will lose a lot of money.
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If Karl were to get hired, I see zero evidence to suggest Cuz would do anything other than show up, bust his ass and do everything he can to make it work.

And this is what our FO/owner and the repeated leaks has caused, fans turning against our franchise player as if he's the one holding this up and he's basically a petulant child who if he doesn't get his way will take his ball and go home with it. I don't know where that line of thinking comes from given Cuz was the one most screwed over by the Malone firing and he's been the one still busting his ass nightly while everyone else appears to have given up to a degree.

The risk is, and it's due to PDA/Vivek/Mullin, is that if Karl doesn't work out, Boogie probably bolts. But Boogie didn't create this situation and if it were to not work out, that would be at least 6 seasons wasted here. But it comes down to leadership, having a plan and having a backbone. If Karl is your man, hire him and roll the dice. If you're unsure, then roll your sleeves up and formulate a better plan. That too will come with risk. This next coach will either work out or it won't. If it doesn't, goodbye Cuz, and it's a situation caused purely by firing Malone, not something on Cuz's end.
 
rainmaker said:
If Karl were to get hired, I see zero evidence to suggest Cuz would do anything other than show up, bust his ass and do everything he can to make it work.

And this is what our FO/owner and the repeated leaks has caused, fans turning against our franchise player as if he's the one holding this up and he's basically a petulant child who if he doesn't get his way will take his ball and go home with it. I don't know where that line of thinking comes from given Cuz was the one most screwed over by the Malone firing and he's been the one still busting his ass nightly while everyone else appears to have given up to a degree.

The risk is, and it's due to PDA/Vivek/Mullin, is that if Karl doesn't work out, Boogie probably bolts. But Boogie didn't create this situation and if it were to not work out, that would be at least 6 seasons wasted here. But it comes down to leadership, having a plan and having a backbone. If Karl is your man, hire him and roll the dice. If you're unsure, then roll your sleeves up and formulate a better plan. That too will come with risk. This next coach will either work out or it won't. If it doesn't, goodbye Cuz, and it's a situation caused purely by firing Malone, not something on Cuz's end.
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Boogie ia a victim of what is going on around him BUT he can fire his agent. Unfortunately, a guy coming from nowhere economically who gas hired the best may not feel confident about what he can do.
 
rainmaker said:
The risk is, and it's due to PDA/Vivek/Mullin, is that if Karl doesn't work out, Boogie probably bolts. But Boogie didn't create this situation and if it were to not work out, that would be at least 6 seasons wasted here. But it comes down to leadership, having a plan and having a backbone. If Karl is your man, hire him and roll the dice. If you're unsure, then roll your sleeves up and formulate a better plan. That too will come with risk. This next coach will either work out or it won't. If it doesn't, goodbye Cuz, and it's a situation caused purely by firing Malone, not something on Cuz's end.
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Totally agree. That's why firing malone was so stupid. But it almost seems like a possible lose/lose situation. If we hire Karl and they don't work out, cuz bolts. Or we hire someone else or stay with ty, we continue to lose, cuz bolts. Like I said before, winning cures all. Cousins hates to lose. You roll the dice with whatever choice gets you more wins cuz a few more 30 wins seasons and cuz starts looking elsewhere.
 
As far as I know, Karl is the only guy other than Jackson they even looked at.

What kind of search is that? We interview two guys and then give up? Wtf? They interview Karl, it doesn't work out, and that's it?

Let's not act like this is a desirable job. I'd expect lots of coaches to turn this down once they hear the 'vision' of this FO. Karl may be the first to turn it down, but he won't be the last.

Karl isn't the only coach out there, and he's not the best fit for this roster. He's a huge upgrade from now, but that is saying nothing.

Maybe Boogie's agents actually know what they're doing here. Fans decided it was Karl or bust, but it's really not. There are so many other coaches out there. Some of them even under 60 and cancer free.

If they'd done this in the offseason like a normal team this wouldn't be such a mess.
 
I think this Cousin's agent and Karl beef is bullpoopoo. It seems very likely that the agent taking the blame is a move by both the agent and the front office so that anger redirects towards the agent and not the front office. The agent probably thinks that this is best for Boogie's career.
 
lawlman91 said:
I think this Cousin's agent and Karl beef is bullpoopoo. It seems very likely that the agent taking the blame is a move by both the agent and the front office so that anger redirects towards the agent and not the front office. The agent probably thinks that this is best for Boogie's career.
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Just confirmed through cousins agent that if they want Karl, "make the move. we don't run the team."

No duh. What a lame attempt to shift the blame.
 
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